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Boynton Beach Jets · 04-23-2010, 08:48 AM

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FOXBOROUGH — We can make this one real simple.Devin McCourty better be Darrelle Revis. Or Nnamdi Asomugha. Or quickly show the promise of Mike Jenkins or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.

Either that, or the [URL="http://boston.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=17"][COLOR=#2851a2]Patriots[/COLOR][/URL] have to have Elvis Dumervil waiting for them in the second round.

Because failing that, New England left its needs unfilled on Day 1 of the NFL draft in pursuit of the top player on its board.

The Patriots’ Class of 2010 will ultimately have to be viewed as a mosaic of the first four picks with which they entered last night’s proceedings — 22d, 44th, 47th, and 53d overall.

They dealt down twice with the first of those picks, moving from 22 to 24 to 27, and picking up third- and fourth-round selections for their troubles. Bill Belichick said McCourty was going to be the pick, regardless of whether it was exercised where they started or ended up.

And that’s fine. I get it. A guy they thought much of, playing a big-dollar position, and someone they could get a lower slot. Good.

The trouble is that McCourty isn’t going to come screaming off the edge and tilt offense’s protection in his direction, opening things for pass rushers to make plays. He’s certainly not going to help bridge the gap at receiver, with Randy Moss a good possibility to be out the door after 2010. He’s also not going to give Tom Brady the security blanket a good tight end could over the middle.

Point is, the Patriots entered last night with a plethora of needs. They left without the biggest ones addressed.

Belichick himself said, “We have good depth at that position. I think they’ll all contribute.’’

So let’s look at the Patriots’ investments over the last 24 months at a position that’s been such a trouble spot.

They drafted Terrence Wheatley 62d overall and Jonathan Wilhite 129th overall in 2008. They signed Shawn Springs to a three-year, $11 million deal last winter. Around the same time, Leigh Bodden signed a one-year, $2.25 million deal, and has since been re-signed to a four-year, $22 million deal. Then, they took Darius Butler with the 41st pick in 2009.

That’s five players, two of whom were drafted in the first two rounds, and two who got multiyear commitments. And that’s without including McCourty.

Now, it’s obvious Wheatley is on the outs, and Wilhite could be too, but Bodden and Butler are considered major parts of the team’s future, and those players should have given the team the flexibility to address other needs early in this draft.

One general manager told me two weeks ago that there were 31 draftable corners this year, which he called “unheard of.’’ So it’s not like they couldn’t have added at the position later on.

And while dealing the Colts’ passing game — something this team’s done with all the precision of a 5-year-old in a finger-painting class of late — has to be a concern playing in the AFC, just look what the Patriots are up against in their division.

The [URL="http://boston.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=20"][COLOR=#2851a2]Jets[/COLOR][/URL] have the league’s top-ranked running game. The [URL="http://boston.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=15"][COLOR=#2851a2]Dolphins[/COLOR][/URL] are fourth in that category. While Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall, respectively, stand to make those teams’ passing games better, it won’t change who they are. And with a run defense that still has skidmarks on its back after the Ravens ran over it in January, that’s an area that needs to be dealt with as well.

Which is just the start of the issue.

Chad Henne might as well have been throwing from a lawn chair with all the time he had in December against New England. Peyton Manning looked like he was in a 7-on-7 drill bringing the Colts back in November to beat the Patriots.

That pass rush isn’t any better today than it was then, and by putting young defensive backs out there without more help up front, you’re putting at risk their confidence and retarding their development.

Then, there’s the age on the interior of the offensive line. And the fact that there’s just one tight end — a blocking type nearing the end of the road — on the roster who’s dressed for an NFL game. And the reality that the receiver position is muddy now, and even cloudier looking into the future.

There’s no question this team has more needs to fill than it’s had in a long time.

Now, the most valuable resource the team has had was expended on a position that’s actually been taken care of, to a reasonable degree.

It just doesn’t add up.

How can the Patriots count on getting the pass rusher they need in Round 2, with so much movement in Round 1? Is it possible to do that without trading up and sacrificing other picks, which in turn would compromise the ability to fill other holes?

Again, this isn’t a knock on the player himself. But Dez Bryant would have filled a need. So would Jerry Hughes or Jermaine Gresham.

Instead, the Patriots enter Day 2 with the same list of major needs with which they started Day 1.

Maybe McCourty is going to be outstanding. A game-changer. A play-maker. A franchise cornerstone.

I can’t say he will be or won’t be, but if that’s the case, then this makes all the sense in the world.

Otherwise, it doesn’t make a lot of sense at all.

32green · 04-23-2010, 08:56 AM

I believe this warrants "the Globe is a rag" post from a chowd.

:rolleyes:

southparkcpa · 04-23-2010, 08:58 AM

FU(K the PASTS*

dmitexxi · 04-23-2010, 09:00 AM

Please don't Feed the trolls.

Dimitri_0515 · 04-23-2010, 09:05 AM

They have 3 picks in the 2nd round, they can get plenty of talent in the 2nd round.

Boynton Beach Jets · 04-23-2010, 09:09 AM

[QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3572878]They have 3 picks in the 2nd round, they can get plenty of talent in the 2nd round.[/QUOTE]

They blew chance #1 in filling a need:yes:

AFCEastFan · 04-23-2010, 09:09 AM

[QUOTE=32green;3572858]I believe this warrants "the Globe is a rag" post from a chowd.

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Globe is a rag. :D

Seriously, though, this type of article is laughable. The Patriots need a good player at just about any position (other than, say, QB) much more than they need a guy who sucks at a position of need. If the second coming of Dwight Freeney was available at 22, you can bet the Pats would have taken him immediately and not traded down for a CB.

C Mart · 04-23-2010, 09:16 AM

In a draft that the Jets Bradway said is deep with solid players into the 5th round I'd say it's a pretty good strategy by the Pats.

Boynton Beach Jets · 04-23-2010, 09:23 AM

[QUOTE=C Mart;3572896]In a draft that the Jets Bradway said is deep with solid players into the 5th round I'd say it's a pretty good strategy by the Pats.[/QUOTE]

It is a deep draft no question, but if you want an impact player who will contribute right away you better draft them early.

FF2® · 04-23-2010, 09:25 AM

[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;3572911]It is a deep draft no question, but if you want an impact player who will contribute right away you better draft them early.[/QUOTE]

Anything else good in today's Boston Globe?

jetswin · 04-23-2010, 09:27 AM

I actually think that is an awful analysis by the Globe, lol

C Mart · 04-23-2010, 09:30 AM

[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;3572911]It is a deep draft no question, but if you want an impact player who will contribute right away you better draft them early.[/QUOTE]

The Pats traded from 22 to 27....

Wilson at 29 will make an impact. As a nickel and in the kick return game.

Carlton · 04-23-2010, 09:30 AM

The Pats have a ****load of picks and they took a guy who can help in coverage and special teams. I don't really see what this article is getting at. If they think they totally blew the pick and someone really obvious (Kyle Wilson :)) should have been taken instead, that's one thing. But instead, it sounds like they are judging their whole draft through one pick though and that's stupid.

32green · 04-23-2010, 09:31 AM

[QUOTE=FF2®;3572916]Anything else good in today's Boston Globe?[/QUOTE]

Candid photos of the stahs!

:D;)

Gibby · 04-23-2010, 09:32 AM

In the imortal words of Nelson Munce. HA HA

FF2® · 04-23-2010, 09:33 AM

[QUOTE=32green;3572928]Candid photos of the stahs!

:D;)[/QUOTE]

Did you see the picha of friggin Jizel?

FF2® · 04-23-2010, 09:35 AM

[QUOTE=jetswin;3572921]I actually think that is an awful analysis by the Globe, lol[/QUOTE]

I love the day-after-the-draft over analysis.

News flash...Pats secondary sucks so they drafted there.

Now lets go get some breakfast.

hatnlvr · 04-23-2010, 09:36 AM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;3572861]FU(K the PASTS*[/QUOTE]

+1

Vinny Patrollie · 04-23-2010, 09:37 AM

The Pats snatched McCourty out of the Jets hands PLUS snagged an extra 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Score one for Belli!:yes:

AFCEastFan · 04-23-2010, 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3572944][B]The Pats snatched McCourty out of the Jets hands[/B] PLUS snagged an extra 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Score one for Belli!:yes:[/QUOTE]

LOL. I assume you are being intentionally inflammatory and don't actually believe that one.

04-23-2010, 08:48 AM	#1
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	*Boston Globe Patsies: They were caught out of position** On Football [URL="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/"][IMG]http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/File-Based_Image_Resource/from_provider_globe.gif[/IMG] [/URL] [B][SIZE=6]They were caught out of position[/SIZE][/B] FOXBOROUGH — We can make this one real simple.Devin McCourty better be Darrelle Revis. Or Nnamdi Asomugha. Or quickly show the promise of Mike Jenkins or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Either that, or the [URL="http://boston.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=17"][COLOR=#2851a2]Patriots[/COLOR][/URL] have to have Elvis Dumervil waiting for them in the second round. Because failing that, New England left its needs unfilled on Day 1 of the NFL draft in pursuit of the top player on its board. The Patriots’ Class of 2010 will ultimately have to be viewed as a mosaic of the first four picks with which they entered last night’s proceedings — 22d, 44th, 47th, and 53d overall. They dealt down twice with the first of those picks, moving from 22 to 24 to 27, and picking up third- and fourth-round selections for their troubles. Bill Belichick said McCourty was going to be the pick, regardless of whether it was exercised where they started or ended up. And that’s fine. I get it. A guy they thought much of, playing a big-dollar position, and someone they could get a lower slot. Good. The trouble is that McCourty isn’t going to come screaming off the edge and tilt offense’s protection in his direction, opening things for pass rushers to make plays. He’s certainly not going to help bridge the gap at receiver, with Randy Moss a good possibility to be out the door after 2010. He’s also not going to give Tom Brady the security blanket a good tight end could over the middle. Point is, the Patriots entered last night with a plethora of needs. They left without the biggest ones addressed. Belichick himself said, “We have good depth at that position. I think they’ll all contribute.’’ So let’s look at the Patriots’ investments over the last 24 months at a position that’s been such a trouble spot. They drafted Terrence Wheatley 62d overall and Jonathan Wilhite 129th overall in 2008. They signed Shawn Springs to a three-year, $11 million deal last winter. Around the same time, Leigh Bodden signed a one-year, $2.25 million deal, and has since been re-signed to a four-year, $22 million deal. Then, they took Darius Butler with the 41st pick in 2009. That’s five players, two of whom were drafted in the first two rounds, and two who got multiyear commitments. And that’s without including McCourty. Now, it’s obvious Wheatley is on the outs, and Wilhite could be too, but Bodden and Butler are considered major parts of the team’s future, and those players should have given the team the flexibility to address other needs early in this draft. One general manager told me two weeks ago that there were 31 draftable corners this year, which he called “unheard of.’’ So it’s not like they couldn’t have added at the position later on. And while dealing the Colts’ passing game — something this team’s done with all the precision of a 5-year-old in a finger-painting class of late — has to be a concern playing in the AFC, just look what the Patriots are up against in their division. The [URL="http://boston.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=20"][COLOR=#2851a2]Jets[/COLOR][/URL] have the league’s top-ranked running game. The [URL="http://boston.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=15"][COLOR=#2851a2]Dolphins[/COLOR][/URL] are fourth in that category. While Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall, respectively, stand to make those teams’ passing games better, it won’t change who they are. And with a run defense that still has skidmarks on its back after the Ravens ran over it in January, that’s an area that needs to be dealt with as well. Which is just the start of the issue. Chad Henne might as well have been throwing from a lawn chair with all the time he had in December against New England. Peyton Manning looked like he was in a 7-on-7 drill bringing the Colts back in November to beat the Patriots. That pass rush isn’t any better today than it was then, and by putting young defensive backs out there without more help up front, you’re putting at risk their confidence and retarding their development. Then, there’s the age on the interior of the offensive line. And the fact that there’s just one tight end — a blocking type nearing the end of the road — on the roster who’s dressed for an NFL game. And the reality that the receiver position is muddy now, and even cloudier looking into the future. There’s no question this team has more needs to fill than it’s had in a long time. Now, the most valuable resource the team has had was expended on a position that’s actually been taken care of, to a reasonable degree. It just doesn’t add up. How can the Patriots count on getting the pass rusher they need in Round 2, with so much movement in Round 1? Is it possible to do that without trading up and sacrificing other picks, which in turn would compromise the ability to fill other holes? Again, this isn’t a knock on the player himself. But Dez Bryant would have filled a need. So would Jerry Hughes or Jermaine Gresham. Instead, the Patriots enter Day 2 with the same list of major needs with which they started Day 1. Maybe McCourty is going to be outstanding. A game-changer. A play-maker. A franchise cornerstone. I can’t say he will be or won’t be, but if that’s the case, then this makes all the sense in the world. Otherwise, it doesn’t make a lot of sense at all. Last edited by Boynton Beach Jets; 04-23-2010 at 08:52 AM.

04-23-2010, 08:56 AM	#2
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	I believe this warrants "the Globe is a rag" post from a chowd. :rolleyes:

04-23-2010, 08:58 AM	#3
southparkcpa I see the 88 to 97 period all over again. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 15,697	FU(K the PASTS*

04-23-2010, 09:00 AM	#4
dmitexxi RIP JF XXI Forever! Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Long Island Posts: 2,025	Please don't Feed the trolls.

04-23-2010, 09:05 AM	#5
Dimitri_0515 Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,182	They have 3 picks in the 2nd round, they can get plenty of talent in the 2nd round.

04-23-2010, 09:09 AM	#6
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3572878]They have 3 picks in the 2nd round, they can get plenty of talent in the 2nd round.[/QUOTE] They blew chance #1 in filling a need:yes:

04-23-2010, 09:09 AM	#7
AFCEastFan Money now -- and a lot more when I get into that office. You can take that to the bank. All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,027	[QUOTE=32green;3572858]I believe this warrants "the Globe is a rag" post from a chowd. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Globe is a rag. :D Seriously, though, this type of article is laughable. The Patriots need a good player at just about any position (other than, say, QB) much more than they need a guy who sucks at a position of need. If the second coming of Dwight Freeney was available at 22, you can bet the Pats would have taken him immediately and not traded down for a CB.

04-23-2010, 09:16 AM	#8
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,303	In a draft that the Jets Bradway said is deep with solid players into the 5th round I'd say it's a pretty good strategy by the Pats.

04-23-2010, 09:23 AM	#9
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=C Mart;3572896]In a draft that the Jets Bradway said is deep with solid players into the 5th round I'd say it's a pretty good strategy by the Pats.[/QUOTE] It is a deep draft no question, but if you want an impact player who will contribute right away you better draft them early.

04-23-2010, 09:25 AM	#10
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,116	[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;3572911]It is a deep draft no question, but if you want an impact player who will contribute right away you better draft them early.[/QUOTE] Anything else good in today's Boston Globe?

04-23-2010, 09:27 AM	#11
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,458	I actually think that is an awful analysis by the Globe, lol

04-23-2010, 09:30 AM	#12
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,303	[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;3572911]It is a deep draft no question, but if you want an impact player who will contribute right away you better draft them early.[/QUOTE] The Pats traded from 22 to 27.... Wilson at 29 will make an impact. As a nickel and in the kick return game.

04-23-2010, 09:30 AM	#13
Carlton Teh jobless idle spawn of wealth guy. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,374	The Pats have a ****load of picks and they took a guy who can help in coverage and special teams. I don't really see what this article is getting at. If they think they totally blew the pick and someone really obvious (Kyle Wilson :)) should have been taken instead, that's one thing. But instead, it sounds like they are judging their whole draft through one pick though and that's stupid.

04-23-2010, 09:31 AM	#14
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	[QUOTE=FF2®;3572916]Anything else good in today's Boston Globe?[/QUOTE] Candid photos of the stahs! :D;)

04-23-2010, 09:32 AM	#15
Gibby Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,993	In the imortal words of Nelson Munce. HA HA

04-23-2010, 09:33 AM	#16
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,116	[QUOTE=32green;3572928]Candid photos of the stahs! :D;)[/QUOTE] Did you see the picha of friggin Jizel?

04-23-2010, 09:35 AM	#17
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,116	[QUOTE=jetswin;3572921]I actually think that is an awful analysis by the Globe, lol[/QUOTE] I love the day-after-the-draft over analysis. News flash...Pats secondary sucks so they drafted there. Now lets go get some breakfast.

04-23-2010, 09:36 AM	#18
hatnlvr Jets Fan for Life! All Pro Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,266	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;3572861]FU(K the PASTS*[/QUOTE] +1

04-23-2010, 09:37 AM	#19
Vinny Patrollie wicked smaht and onto your tricks Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,894	The Pats snatched McCourty out of the Jets hands PLUS snagged an extra 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Score one for Belli!:yes:

04-23-2010, 09:40 AM	#20
AFCEastFan Money now -- and a lot more when I get into that office. You can take that to the bank. All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,027	[QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3572944][B]The Pats snatched McCourty out of the Jets hands[/B] PLUS snagged an extra 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Score one for Belli!:yes:[/QUOTE] LOL. I assume you are being intentionally inflammatory and don't actually believe that one.