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kdelgado · 10-05-2010, 09:18 AM

Dustin Keller is awesome. Dustin Keller may want more money if he continues his current pace of production. That is all.

James Hasty · 10-05-2010, 10:30 AM

[QUOTE=kdelgado;3766267]Dustin Keller is awesome. Dustin Keller may want more money if he continues his current pace of production. That is all.[/QUOTE]

Two factors should slow Keller's production without hurting the team.

1. Holmes will be a second security blanket for Sanchez as he runs great routes and has good hands.

2. As Sanchez matures, he will spread the ball around more.

This team is loaded and we can't keep everyone. For every Revis we lock up someone will have to go. I was wrong about Keller on draft day, hopefully we can afford to keep him.

JamesR · 10-05-2010, 12:00 PM

I think you'll also see more teams doubling Keller to stop him killing them. That's when Sanchez will have to look elsewhere. Not a knock on Keller at all, but may rein in his numbers a bit.

Dirtstar · 10-05-2010, 12:02 PM

we should trade him now that his value is sky-high.

save some money, acquire some picks, develop Cumberland as the next pass-catching TE.

MDL_JET · 10-05-2010, 12:06 PM

TE's don't win championships.

JStokes · 10-05-2010, 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=Dirtstar;3766564]we should trade him now that his value is sky-high.

save some money, [B]acquire some picks[/B], develop Cumberland as the next pass-catching TE.[/QUOTE]

No, trade him to New England.

For Danny Woodhead.

_

Dirtstar · 10-05-2010, 12:11 PM

[QUOTE=JStokes;3766569]No, trade him to New England.

For Danny Woodhead.

_[/QUOTE]

even better.

SUPER BOWL!!!! :rockon:

bman · 10-05-2010, 12:56 PM

Trade him for Stucky and Kenyon Coleman!

how dare you · 10-05-2010, 01:07 PM

He's in the third year of a five year contract, why are we worrying about this now? Not everyone is Revis.

SMC · 10-05-2010, 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=kdelgado;3766267]Dustin Keller is awesome. Dustin Keller may want more money if he continues his current pace of production. That is all.[/QUOTE]

He is in yr 3 of a 5 yr deal. He's not Revis.

Plus, why do even care about this now? The Jets have 12 regular season games left and the postseason in what could be a very special year and you're thinking about something in 2013?

SMC · 10-05-2010, 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=Dirtstar;3766564]we should trade him now that his value is sky-high.

save some money, acquire some picks, develop Cumberland as the next pass-catching TE.[/QUOTE]

Saving money & depth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elite talent

southside · 10-05-2010, 01:37 PM

[QUOTE=JamesR;3766559]I think you'll also see more teams doubling Keller to stop him killing them. That's when Sanchez will have to look elsewhere. Not a knock on Keller at all, but may rein in his numbers a bit.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. I actually think that the reason he is wide open is because the defense can't afford to not double Braylon. Wait till Holmes shows up, they're all going to be wide open.

[QUOTE=MDL_JET;3766568]TE's don't win championships.[/QUOTE]

That's not what DWC said.

Dirtstar · 10-05-2010, 01:38 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3766746]Saving money & depth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elite talent[/QUOTE]

it's the Patriots* model.

why have guys like Holmes, Keller and Edwards when you can fill your roster with the Edelmans and Woodheads of the world?

kdelgado · 10-05-2010, 01:38 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3766745]He is in yr 3 of a 5 yr deal. He's not Revis.

Plus, why do even care about this now? The Jets have 12 regular season games left and the postseason in what could be a very special year and you're thinking about something in 2013?[/QUOTE]

Eh I figured I should just start a thread about it since everyone tends to come to the same realization at 1 point in the season I figured I'd get ahead of the pack. This is mostly to get some information given I wrote two simple sentences in my original post. And this board tends to be really lame after wins anyway so why not.

eldanimal · 10-05-2010, 01:45 PM

[QUOTE=JamesR;3766559]I think you'll also see more teams doubling Keller to stop him killing them. That's when Sanchez will have to look elsewhere. Not a knock on Keller at all, but may rein in his numbers a bit.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that is waaaaay too farsighted....how about we hope teams don't start doubling him and he continues killing them.....you know, until we clinch a playoff spot at least.

Next offseason is definitely going to have some difficult decisions involved, and the impending lockout is not going to help anything, but for now I'd like to concentrate on being the defending superbowl champions whenever the next season starts, and catches, yards, TDs, and Ws are good for that.

Zombo · 10-05-2010, 03:03 PM

[QUOTE=James Hasty;3766376]Two factors should slow Keller's production without hurting the team.

1. Holmes will be a second security blanket for Sanchez as he runs great routes and has good hands.

2. As Sanchez matures, he will spread the ball around more.

This team is loaded and we can't keep everyone. For every Revis we lock up someone will have to go. I was wrong about Keller on draft day, hopefully we can afford to keep him.[/QUOTE]
if i'm not mistaken, holmes is a rfa next season, so the jets should be able to tender him like they did with braylon before this season. as for keller, i think the jets will do everything they can to lock up sanchez's favorite target. a young qb needs a tight end. he has one now. no reason not to keep him.

TurkJetFan · 10-05-2010, 03:09 PM

I have a few questions:

1) How many years are remaining on his contract?
2) What is the next tier pay scale wise at his position?
3) How much of his current money is guarenteed and how much is perfomance based?

NewYorkSackExchange · 10-05-2010, 03:34 PM

Buffalo Bills, enough said.

kdelgado · 10-05-2010, 04:49 PM

[QUOTE=NewYorkSackExchange;3767025]Buffalo Bills, enough said.[/QUOTE]

Right... but what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Jason423 · 10-05-2010, 05:18 PM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;3766974]I have a few questions:

1) How many years are remaining on his contract?
2) What is the next tier pay scale wise at his position?
3) How much of his current money is guarenteed and how much is perfomance based?[/QUOTE]

1) Keller is under contract for two years beyond this one

2)The next comparable tier I guess would be Heath Miller, who received a 5 year 34 million deal with close to 13 million in guarantees. He would have to explode to reach the top tier money of Dallas Clark and Antonio Gates which are around 40 million half of which is guaranteed. I think the TE market is pretty much set to where if you are a "potential" player you can get above market (like Miller) but low guarantees. Clark, Gates, and Winslow all got big deals and big guarantees. Keller would have to put up at least 2 years of close to 900 yards to get into that category

3) I believe Keller's guarantees are paid off. His final year has an escalator to the 3 million dollar range based on easily attainable incentives (its basically already been earned).

10-05-2010, 09:18 AM	#1
kdelgado Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ithaca College by way of New Jersey Posts: 1,589	A contract issue that may come up sooner rather than later Dustin Keller is awesome. Dustin Keller may want more money if he continues his current pace of production. That is all.

10-05-2010, 10:30 AM	#2
James Hasty All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,541	[QUOTE=kdelgado;3766267]Dustin Keller is awesome. Dustin Keller may want more money if he continues his current pace of production. That is all.[/QUOTE] Two factors should slow Keller's production without hurting the team. 1. Holmes will be a second security blanket for Sanchez as he runs great routes and has good hands. 2. As Sanchez matures, he will spread the ball around more. This team is loaded and we can't keep everyone. For every Revis we lock up someone will have to go. I was wrong about Keller on draft day, hopefully we can afford to keep him.

10-05-2010, 12:00 PM	#3
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,812	I think you'll also see more teams doubling Keller to stop him killing them. That's when Sanchez will have to look elsewhere. Not a knock on Keller at all, but may rein in his numbers a bit.

10-05-2010, 12:02 PM	#4
Dirtstar Snubbed a man just to watch him cry. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,792	we should trade him now that his value is sky-high. save some money, acquire some picks, develop Cumberland as the next pass-catching TE.

10-05-2010, 12:06 PM	#5
MDL_JET All Pro Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,633	TE's don't win championships.

10-05-2010, 12:06 PM	#6
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=Dirtstar;3766564]we should trade him now that his value is sky-high. save some money, [B]acquire some picks[/B], develop Cumberland as the next pass-catching TE.[/QUOTE] No, trade him to New England. For Danny Woodhead. _

10-05-2010, 12:11 PM	#7
Dirtstar Snubbed a man just to watch him cry. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,792	[QUOTE=JStokes;3766569]No, trade him to New England. For Danny Woodhead. _[/QUOTE] even better. SUPER BOWL!!!! :rockon:

10-05-2010, 12:56 PM	#8
bman All League Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,936	Trade him for Stucky and Kenyon Coleman!

10-05-2010, 01:07 PM	#9
how dare you Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 180	He's in the third year of a five year contract, why are we worrying about this now? Not everyone is Revis.

10-05-2010, 01:32 PM	#10
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=kdelgado;3766267]Dustin Keller is awesome. Dustin Keller may want more money if he continues his current pace of production. That is all.[/QUOTE] He is in yr 3 of a 5 yr deal. He's not Revis. Plus, why do even care about this now? The Jets have 12 regular season games left and the postseason in what could be a very special year and you're thinking about something in 2013?

10-05-2010, 01:33 PM	#11
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=Dirtstar;3766564]we should trade him now that his value is sky-high. save some money, acquire some picks, develop Cumberland as the next pass-catching TE.[/QUOTE] Saving money & depth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elite talent

10-05-2010, 01:37 PM	#12
southside Forever Awesome All Pro Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,892	[QUOTE=JamesR;3766559]I think you'll also see more teams doubling Keller to stop him killing them. That's when Sanchez will have to look elsewhere. Not a knock on Keller at all, but may rein in his numbers a bit.[/QUOTE] I disagree. I actually think that the reason he is wide open is because the defense can't afford to not double Braylon. Wait till Holmes shows up, they're all going to be wide open. [QUOTE=MDL_JET;3766568]TE's don't win championships.[/QUOTE] That's not what DWC said.

10-05-2010, 01:38 PM	#13
Dirtstar Snubbed a man just to watch him cry. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,792	[QUOTE=SMC;3766746]Saving money & depth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elite talent[/QUOTE] it's the Patriots* model. why have guys like Holmes, Keller and Edwards when you can fill your roster with the Edelmans and Woodheads of the world?

10-05-2010, 01:45 PM	#15
eldanimal Veteran Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 132	[QUOTE=JamesR;3766559]I think you'll also see more teams doubling Keller to stop him killing them. That's when Sanchez will have to look elsewhere. Not a knock on Keller at all, but may rein in his numbers a bit.[/QUOTE] Wow, that is waaaaay too farsighted....how about we hope teams don't start doubling him and he continues killing them.....you know, until we clinch a playoff spot at least. Next offseason is definitely going to have some difficult decisions involved, and the impending lockout is not going to help anything, but for now I'd like to concentrate on being the defending superbowl champions whenever the next season starts, and catches, yards, TDs, and Ws are good for that.

10-05-2010, 03:03 PM	#16
Zombo Braylon Edwards is a sight for sore eyes after watching this mess of an offense. All League Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Elizabeth, NJ Posts: 3,393	[QUOTE=James Hasty;3766376]Two factors should slow Keller's production without hurting the team. 1. Holmes will be a second security blanket for Sanchez as he runs great routes and has good hands. 2. As Sanchez matures, he will spread the ball around more. This team is loaded and we can't keep everyone. For every Revis we lock up someone will have to go. I was wrong about Keller on draft day, hopefully we can afford to keep him.[/QUOTE] if i'm not mistaken, holmes is a rfa next season, so the jets should be able to tender him like they did with braylon before this season. as for keller, i think the jets will do everything they can to lock up sanchez's favorite target. a young qb needs a tight end. he has one now. no reason not to keep him.

10-05-2010, 03:09 PM	#17
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,097	I have a few questions: 1) How many years are remaining on his contract? 2) What is the next tier pay scale wise at his position? 3) How much of his current money is guarenteed and how much is perfomance based?

10-05-2010, 03:34 PM	#18
NewYorkSackExchange Dear Lord, please allow the Jets to win on Sunday, OH please, please Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,462	Buffalo Bills, enough said.

10-05-2010, 04:49 PM	#19
kdelgado Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ithaca College by way of New Jersey Posts: 1,589	[QUOTE=NewYorkSackExchange;3767025]Buffalo Bills, enough said.[/QUOTE] Right... but what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

10-05-2010, 05:18 PM	#20
Jason423 All Pro Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 9,671	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;3766974]I have a few questions: 1) How many years are remaining on his contract? 2) What is the next tier pay scale wise at his position? 3) How much of his current money is guarenteed and how much is perfomance based?[/QUOTE] 1) Keller is under contract for two years beyond this one 2)The next comparable tier I guess would be Heath Miller, who received a 5 year 34 million deal with close to 13 million in guarantees. He would have to explode to reach the top tier money of Dallas Clark and Antonio Gates which are around 40 million half of which is guaranteed. I think the TE market is pretty much set to where if you are a "potential" player you can get above market (like Miller) but low guarantees. Clark, Gates, and Winslow all got big deals and big guarantees. Keller would have to put up at least 2 years of close to 900 yards to get into that category 3) I believe Keller's guarantees are paid off. His final year has an escalator to the 3 million dollar range based on easily attainable incentives (its basically already been earned).