House Speaker’s State May Get $450 Million Extra

[Jetdawgg]

Boner is pulling a fast one here with this earmark!!!!!

[QUOTE]There are two things the leaders of the new majority in the House of Representatives have made clear since they began to assume the reins of power three months ago. They would:

Cut spending
Eliminate earmarks
Those two frequently repeated objectives are being translated into legislation in a 359-page bill filed on the House floor Friday evening—legislation that will be considered by the full House later this week without the benefit of hearings or even committee deliberation. As promised, the bill contains a breathtaking list of program cuts and terminations.

The bill would shred, among other things, the social safety net in hard-pressed localities across America with reductions in nutrition programs for infants and pregnant mothers. And it would cut federal support to keep destitute families from having their heat and electricity cut off during one of the coldest winters in recent memory. Preliminary analysis also indicates that Head Start programs may be forced to shut down a month early in many communities across the country. Finally, the bill would deliver a particularly hard blow to struggling local governments, canceling out billions of dollars in assistance to law enforcement, sewer construction, support of local schools, and so forth.

But buried deeply in these 359 pages of ugly surprises is a provision that would mean one community in America would do a lot better than all of the others. The legislation added an estimated $450 million for a particular bit of defense spending that the Department of Defense did not ask for and does not want.

The item is a down payment that would obligate the federal government to future payments that could well be three or four times the increased spending added to this particular piece of legislation, with a big portion of the funds flowing to two cities in Ohio—Cincinnati, where Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) grew up, and Dayton, the largest city in his congressional district.

The money will go to pay the costs to General Electric Co.’s General Electric Aviation unit and the British-owned Rolls Royce Group for their development of an engine for the new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft—money that looks, feels, and smells very much like an earmark.

Should the Department of Defense end up paying the two companies to develop the engine it is hoped that they will then buy significant numbers of them for the aircraft. The problem that the Pentagon has with this plan for using tax dollars is that they already have an engine for the plane—an engine that was decided on when the contract for production of the plane was agreed to 10 years ago.

But that does not deter union leaders, company executives, and local government officials in Dayton and Cincinnati from arguing their case. At a rally held at one of GE’s Ohio facilities last October, the company announced the addition of 500 new jobs at the Cincinnati and Dayton plants and emphasized the importance of congressional action to override Pentagon objections to the program. A story from the October 22 edition of the Dayton Business Journal entitled “GE’s fighter engine ‘a huge issue’ for Tri-State economy” reported:

The Pentagon insists GE’s second engine isn’t needed, that it has no use for it, and that further development is a waste of money. But the engine’s supporters in Congress—and Evendale, where GE employs more than 7,000—beg to differ...“It’s a huge issue. There’s a lot at risk here,” said Gary Jordan, president of United Aerospace Workers Local 647.

The increased funding added to the new House budget bill was done in a manner even more “stealthy” than the plane that the would-be engine hopes to power. It is believed to be mixed in with much larger spending totals in one or more of the bill’s military research and development accounts. Appropriations Defense Subcommittee Chairman Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-FL) conceded to Reuters on Friday that "the bill that we're going to deal with next week has the money in it," referring to the GE-Rolls Royce engine.

The local political sensitivity on this issue is so strong that it was repeatedly rumored that assurances on the second engine were being offered by competing candidates during the contest in the House last December to determine the new chairman of the full appropriations committee. Whether or not Rep. Boehner can leverage the White House into signing legislation that contains a major spending increase that neither President Barack Obama nor the Pentagon favors, the mere existence of the spending program in the House bill would seem to significantly tarnish the commitment of Rep. Boehner and his colleagues in the House to spending cuts and the end to earmarking.

Scott Lilly is a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/02/boehner_earmark.html[/url]

[Come Back to NY]

[B]house speaker state [I]"may" [/I]get $450million[/B]....another looney left site grasping at straws...get back to us when it happens rather than wasting bandwidth....

better yet- instead of talking about what "may" happen let's talk about what is happening- like the 700+ waivers given to croonies of the ayatollah for obamacare....

[isired]

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3958501][B]house speaker state [I]"may" [/I]get $450million[/B]....another looney left site grasping at straws...get back to us when it happens rather than wasting bandwidth....

better yet- instead of talking about what "may" happen let's talk about what is happening- like the 700+ waivers given to croonies of the ayatollah for obamacare....[/QUOTE]

'May', turns to 'will' if it passes. I had a client who did the comm for that platform, this was literally decided a decade ago - any money spent on developing alternate parts is nothing more than a payout. You lose the bid, you move on I you don't get to keep working on the project. If this was happening a year ago, and a portion of the budget earmarked half a billion with an obligation for another $2B for a chicago area windfall, you would have been screaming, not telling purple to wait until it happens to complain about it. I really don't get how logic flies out the window for you extreme partisan guys. Its just unfathomable.

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[Come Back to NY]

[QUOTE=isired;3958516]'May', turns to 'will' if it passes. [/QUOTE]

same thing for obamacare...well except for the 700+ waivers handed out to cronies....

[Come Back to NY]

[QUOTE=isired;3958516]'May', turns to 'will' if it passes. I had a client who did the comm for that platform, this was literally decided a decade ago - any money spent on developing alternate parts is nothing more than a payout. You lose the bid, you move on I you don't get to keep working on the project. If this was happening a year ago, and a portion of the budget earmarked half a billion with an obligation for another $2B for a chicago area windfall, you would have been screaming, not telling purple to wait until it happens to complain about it. I really don't get how logic flies out the window for you extreme partisan guys. Its just unfathomable.

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btw- got to add; there's a lot of "may" "could" "with the hopes" and "rumored" in the article- so lets add some more speculation just for fun shall we???

what company will benefit the most?? GE....

hmm...GE; owner of NBC, MSNBC and whose CEO was just given a nice peachy position from obozo- more cronyism....obviously this may be the work of a dim who could have slipped it in the bill with the hopes of further payback to another obama crony....:yes:

[isired]

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3958523]btw- got to add; there's a lot of "may" "could" "with the hopes" and "rumored" in the article[/QUOTE]well this seems pretty definitive:[quote]buried deeply in these 359 pages of ugly surprises is a provision that would mean one community in America would do a lot better than all of the others. The legislation added an estimated $450 million for a particular bit of defense spending that the Department of Defense did not ask for and does not want.[/quote] your cool with that, no matter who benefits, huh? How very 'big government' and fiscally irresponsible of you. You Bushies have a lot more in common with the libs than you think.


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[FreshBaked 24 7]

[QUOTE=isired;3958525]well this seems pretty definitive: your cool with that, no matter who benefits, huh? How very 'big government' and fiscally irresponsible of you. You Bushies have a lot more in common with the libs than you think.


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When people begin to realize that they're voting for people that won't cut anything no matter what the ideology, but instead shift around the proverbial room furniture to make the illusion that they have, it'll be too late

Democrat, republicans... new boss is exactly like the old boss

[Jetdawgg]

HR 1 - The Boner Bill

[url]http://thehill.com/images/stories/blogs/flooraction/Jan2011/hr1.pdf[/url]

[Come Back to NY]

[QUOTE=isired;3958525]well this seems pretty definitive: your cool with that, no matter who benefits, huh? How very 'big government' and fiscally irresponsible of you. You Bushies have a lot more in common with the libs than you think.


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nothing has passed....its just more whining from you lunatic leftists who continually nod your heads up and down at everything your devine leader the ayatollah says...:yes:

[Jetdawgg]

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3958575]nothing has passed....its just more whining from you lunatic leftists who continually nod your heads up and down at everything your devine leader the ayatollah says...:yes:[/QUOTE]

Having it in the bill at a time when things are being cut is pretty seedy already. In general, the House Speaker is hard to go up against. Pelosi got a lot of her agenda thru with ease

[Come Back to NY]

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;3958576]Having it in the bill at a time when things are being cut is pretty seedy already. In general, the House Speaker is hard to go up against. Pelosi got a lot of her agenda thru with ease[/QUOTE]

yet no one seems to be complaining about obozo's cronies GE....what a surprise...:rolleyes:

[Come Back to NY]

btw- considering the author of the thread posted opinions from an article which were written by a left wing extremist, we'll have to get one from the other side of the spectrum to balance it out...

[Jetdawgg]

Well that is all good, but if this passes, and it will go thru the House this week, it may be hard for the Senate to defeat as the 2012 budget is being released today.

Shortly thereafter, we have the current CR looming (Mar 4), which could shut down the gov't if we don't get this appropriations bill passed.

After all of that we have the debt limit challenge for this congress in May. Pelosi left this congress with a lot to do in short period of time and the D party is pounding them by not having jobs for the American people.

[Come Back to NY]

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;3958583]Well that is all good, but if this passes, and it will go thru the House this week, it may be hard for the Senate to defeat as the 2012 budget is being released today.

Shortly thereafter, we have the current CR looming (Mar 4), which could shut down the gov't if we don't get this appropriations bill passed.

[B]After all of that we have the debt limit challenge for this congress in May. Pelosi left this congress with a lot to do in short period of time and the D party is pounding them by not having jobs for the American people[/B].[/QUOTE]

don't worry- obama said the $1 trillion stimuloss plan will kick everything into gear....lol

[Jetdawgg]

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3958585]don't worry- obama said the $1 trillion stimuloss plan will kick everything into gear....lol[/QUOTE]

el oh el. I don't need another kick like this.....


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[Winstonbiggs]

While this is clearly another case of wasting money, the original poster tried to blame this on the Speaker of the House. If he had clicked on the accompanying article that was refrenced at the bottom of his article he would have seen that this spend is supported by the entire Virginia delegation and has broad bipartisan support which includes the ultra liberal Denise K also of Ohio.

On the other hand if jobs is job 1 of the current Congress and Administration, cutting these programs will clearly kill jobs. Granted not all jobs are good jobs or worth doing but I suspect building a worthless jet engine probably does make work.

[QUOTE]The Bush administration, the Obama administration, and a number of public-policy think tanks—including our own—have argued that the proposed alternate engine that would be built by the team of General Electric and Rolls-Royce for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is a waste of money. However, its supporters, including the entirety of the Virginia delegation in the House of Representatives, argue that it should be funded because the engine enjoys broad bipartisan support in the House and would enable money-saving competitions for the military.

Several of the key congressional supporters—Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat, and John Boehner, a Republican, of Ohio—are simply endorsing a program that would bring jobs to their home states. The same is true of newly minted Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, who has jettisoned his campaign rhetoric about political reform to preserve a few hundred jobs at the General Electric engine plant in Lynn, and Eric Cantor of Virginia, who ignored his own claim that the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility and discipline because Rolls-Royce just opened a new headquarters in Virginia.[/QUOTE]

[Jetdawgg]

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;3958590]While this is clearly another case of wasting money, the original poster tried to blame this on the Speaker of the House. If he had clicked on the accompanying article that was refrenced at the bottom of his article he would have seen that this spend is supported by the entire Virginia delegation and has broad bipartisan support which includes the ultra liberal Denise K also of Ohio.

On the other hand if jobs is job 1 of the current Congress and Administration, cutting these programs will clearly kill jobs. Granted not all jobs are good jobs or worth doing but I suspect building a worthless jet engine probably does make work.[/QUOTE]

Biggie, it does make work, but it does not make us competitive and this kind of expenditure can be viewed as a waste

[Winstonbiggs]

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;3958594]Biggie, it does make work, but it does not make us competitive and this kind of expenditure can be viewed as a waste[/QUOTE]

Of course it's a waste. Laying it at the feet of Boner is disengenous at best.

[Jetdawgg]

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;3958598]Of course it's a waste. Laying it at the feet of Boner is disengenous at best.[/QUOTE]

He is the Speaker. He is the one held accountable

[Winstonbiggs]

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;3958604]He is the Speaker. He is the one held accountable[/QUOTE]

He is only accountable to his constituent voters just like Denise and the other Ohio Democrats who will vote for this.