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MnJetFan · 04-17-2011, 01:18 AM

If Obama wants to play his games, don't raise the debt ceiling. You have shot your mouth off once to many times and now is time to shut it once and for all.
It is time to show some leadership you 2 bit hack!

Tyler Durden · 04-17-2011, 02:06 AM

Yeah, America shouldn't pay it's bilsl to teach President Obama a lesson! That'll show em!

palmetto defender · 04-17-2011, 12:09 PM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4002631]Yeah, America shouldn't pay it's bill to teach President Obama a lesson! That'll show em![/QUOTE]

The country can pay its bond debt if the celing is not increased. There will be a problem paying gov workers though. And that's good. They are mostly grossly overpaid and underworked. Congress should halve its staff as should most departments. Education and Housing should be eliminated. Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3.
Even the military could use a cut. There are far too many generals and admirals relative to need. There are too many make work projects going on - you see them everywhere.

Winstonbiggs · 04-17-2011, 01:18 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4002705]The country can pay its bond debt if the celing is not increased. There will be a problem paying gov workers though. And that's good. They are mostly grossly overpaid and underworked. Congress should halve its staff as should most departments. Education and Housing should be eliminated. Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3.
Even the military could use a cut. There are far too many generals and admirals relative to need. There are too many make work projects going on - you see them everywhere.[/QUOTE]

Good idea lets stop paying our military. Maybe they can hitch a ride home on Afgani air.

Buster · 04-17-2011, 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4002705]

Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3.
[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="6"]WRONG[/SIZE]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/graphics/2008stafflistsalary_title.html"]2008 White House Office Staff List - Title
Washington Post[/URL]

This is a list of employees in the 2008 BUSH White House

Plug "First Lady" into the 'find on this page' function.

You will find 16 occurrences

Is this another one of those "not intended to be factual" statements made by John Kyl?

Tyler Durden · 04-17-2011, 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4002705]The country can pay its bond debt if the celing is not increased. There will be a problem paying gov workers though. And that's good. They are mostly grossly overpaid and underworked. Congress should halve its staff as should most departments. Education and Housing should be eliminated. Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3.
Even the military could use a cut. There are far too many generals and admirals relative to need. There are too many make work projects going on - you see them everywhere.[/QUOTE]

lol O'Reilly debunked that little number on his show last week, even he has to fight of the haters. Who told you this lie?

palmetto defender · 04-18-2011, 09:34 AM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4002734]Good idea lets stop paying our military. Maybe they can hitch a ride home on Afgani air.[/QUOTE]

I never said not to pay the military. I don't consider them government "workers". Obama is the dirtbag that said he would NOT sign a waiver ot pay the military in the recent budget talks.
There is way too much fat in our government worker budget.
There is way too much staff throught the fed government starting with the Executive branch. Michelle Obama with over 20 aides? Nonsense.

palmetto defender · 04-18-2011, 09:45 AM

[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4003009]lol O'Reilly debunked that little number on his show last week, even he has to fight of the haters. Who told you this lie?[/QUOTE]

And Michelle has now increased her staff even more with her "Help military families" program. Even adding the recently fired General McCrystal to her staff. The military doesn't need her to help. She'll do what? Suggest more non fat milk (fact) and perhaps an apple a day?
The current first lady's staff is at present still almost twice the size o Mrs. Bush's and at more than twice the salary.
While George W. clearly overspent, the current guy is putting up deficit numbers at the highest rates ever. He is using the office as party time headquarters. He, the wife AND kids travelling everywhere.
Obama has zero experience at running anything. No president in recent history (100+ years) has less practical experience. He is your basic phony academic.

MnJetFan · 04-18-2011, 09:54 AM

Ok raise the debt ceiling so we can go deeper in debt. That really sounds smart. Obama already spent overspent the last debt ceiling.

bitonti · 04-18-2011, 09:55 AM

complaining about the first lady's staff in a budget discussion is like wishing the fuel efficiency on the Titanic were better. This budget has a huge gaping iceberg sized hole in 3 wars, medicare and SS. it's not the 10 extra aides for Michelle Obama that's putting us over the limit.

palmetto defender · 04-18-2011, 12:01 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4003153]complaining about the first lady's staff in a budget discussion is like wishing the fuel efficiency on the Titanic were better. This budget has a huge gaping iceberg sized hole in 3 wars, medicare and SS. it's not the 10 extra aides for Michelle Obama that's putting us over the limit.[/QUOTE]

The President and First Lady's big personal spending attitgudes are symptomatic of the proble. They really don't care. It's all about them. An imperial presidency.
Medicare and social security are a problem. Raise the age to 70 effective 2016 or so. Eliminate early retirement at 62. Raise the payroll tax to 17% (13% SS & 4% Medicare). No services whatever for illegals. But the Democrats refuse to pursue that direction. The Republicans, frankly, were afraid as well. The debt reduction commission headed by Alan Simpson and rskine Bowles did have some good ideas - implement them. Obama ran away from them. More personal responsibility is needed

bitonti · 04-18-2011, 12:13 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4003307]T But the Democrats refuse to pursue that direction. The Republicans, frankly, were afraid as well.

The debt reduction commission headed by Alan Simpson and rskine Bowles did have some good ideas - implement them. Obama ran away from them. More personal responsibility is needed[/QUOTE]

agree with the first statement, disagree with the 2nd... the Simpson Bowles committee Obama said he leaned on heavily for his latest plan. There are many similarities. Simpson and Bowles have endorsed the Prez plan as well.

palmetto defender · 04-18-2011, 12:35 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4003317]agree with the first statement, disagree with the 2nd... the Simpson Bowles committee Obama said he leaned on heavily for his latest plan. There are many similarities. Simpson and Bowles have endorsed the Prez plan as well.[/QUOTE]

Actualy the last I heard Alan Simpson speak he didn't think too much of the prez's plan. There is too much talk of scalpel. I do not endorse a machete (the admin's lingo) but how about a cleaver? Cuts need to be made everywhere. Especially on the programs for the the poor.
45% not paying taxes is BS. The upper brackets can be tweaked up. Cap gains and dividends to 17.5% for example (half the top marginal rate).
I happen to own stock in GE and Exxon. It's a disgrace they pay ZERO tax. And Jeffrey Immeldt (the jobs EXPORTER) is the president's jobs guy? Bizarre.
Let's create jobs. That will reduce handouts and increase taxes.

Buster · 04-18-2011, 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4003140]

The current first lady's staff is at present still almost twice the size o Mrs. Bush's and at more than twice the salary.

[/QUOTE]

WRONG again

[URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/"]factcheck.org[/URL]

palmetto defender · 04-18-2011, 01:29 PM

[QUOTE=Buster;4003385]WRONG again

[URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/"]factcheck.org[/URL][/QUOTE]

Sorry. After the famous "Help the Military Family" program it is.
Plus her travel budget is astronomical. Marie Antoinette deserves only the best.
Are you one of the welfare recipients who so dearly loves the prez because you get handouts? Sounds like it. We either cut or we're dead. S&P came out with a warning today that our debt could be downgraded unless we take action to reduce the deficit. This president has taken zero effort to do so and has far exceeded GWB's excesses. He is an incompetent with ZERO experience at managing anything.

04-17-2011, 01:18 AM	#1
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	Raise The Debt Ceiling If Obama wants to play his games, don't raise the debt ceiling. You have shot your mouth off once to many times and now is time to shut it once and for all. It is time to show some leadership you 2 bit hack!

04-17-2011, 02:06 AM	#2
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	Yeah, America shouldn't pay it's bilsl to teach President Obama a lesson! That'll show em! Last edited by Tyler Durden; 04-17-2011 at 03:32 PM.

04-17-2011, 12:09 PM	#3
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4002631]Yeah, America shouldn't pay it's bill to teach President Obama a lesson! That'll show em![/QUOTE] The country can pay its bond debt if the celing is not increased. There will be a problem paying gov workers though. And that's good. They are mostly grossly overpaid and underworked. Congress should halve its staff as should most departments. Education and Housing should be eliminated. Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3. Even the military could use a cut. There are far too many generals and admirals relative to need. There are too many make work projects going on - you see them everywhere.

04-17-2011, 01:18 PM	#4
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,928	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4002705]The country can pay its bond debt if the celing is not increased. There will be a problem paying gov workers though. And that's good. They are mostly grossly overpaid and underworked. Congress should halve its staff as should most departments. Education and Housing should be eliminated. Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3. Even the military could use a cut. There are far too many generals and admirals relative to need. There are too many make work projects going on - you see them everywhere.[/QUOTE] Good idea lets stop paying our military. Maybe they can hitch a ride home on Afgani air.

04-17-2011, 08:11 PM	#5
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,267	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4002705] Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3. [/QUOTE] [SIZE="6"]WRONG[/SIZE] [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/graphics/2008stafflistsalary_title.html"]2008 White House Office Staff List - Title Washington Post[/URL] This is a list of employees in the 2008 BUSH White House Plug "First Lady" into the 'find on this page' function. You will find 16 occurrences Is this another one of those "not intended to be factual" statements made by John Kyl?

04-17-2011, 11:42 PM	#6
Tyler Durden Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,171	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4002705]The country can pay its bond debt if the celing is not increased. There will be a problem paying gov workers though. And that's good. They are mostly grossly overpaid and underworked. Congress should halve its staff as should most departments. Education and Housing should be eliminated. Michelle Obama could have her staff of 20+ (17 more than any other First Lady in history) reduced to 3. Even the military could use a cut. There are far too many generals and admirals relative to need. There are too many make work projects going on - you see them everywhere.[/QUOTE] lol O'Reilly debunked that little number on his show last week, even he has to fight of the haters. Who told you this lie?

04-18-2011, 09:34 AM	#7
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4002734]Good idea lets stop paying our military. Maybe they can hitch a ride home on Afgani air.[/QUOTE] I never said not to pay the military. I don't consider them government "workers". Obama is the dirtbag that said he would NOT sign a waiver ot pay the military in the recent budget talks. There is way too much fat in our government worker budget. There is way too much staff throught the fed government starting with the Executive branch. Michelle Obama with over 20 aides? Nonsense.

04-18-2011, 09:45 AM	#8
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4003009]lol O'Reilly debunked that little number on his show last week, even he has to fight of the haters. Who told you this lie?[/QUOTE] And Michelle has now increased her staff even more with her "Help military families" program. Even adding the recently fired General McCrystal to her staff. The military doesn't need her to help. She'll do what? Suggest more non fat milk (fact) and perhaps an apple a day? The current first lady's staff is at present still almost twice the size o Mrs. Bush's and at more than twice the salary. While George W. clearly overspent, the current guy is putting up deficit numbers at the highest rates ever. He is using the office as party time headquarters. He, the wife AND kids travelling everywhere. Obama has zero experience at running anything. No president in recent history (100+ years) has less practical experience. He is your basic phony academic.

04-18-2011, 09:54 AM	#9
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	Ok raise the debt ceiling so we can go deeper in debt. That really sounds smart. Obama already spent overspent the last debt ceiling.

04-18-2011, 09:55 AM	#10
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	complaining about the first lady's staff in a budget discussion is like wishing the fuel efficiency on the Titanic were better. This budget has a huge gaping iceberg sized hole in 3 wars, medicare and SS. it's not the 10 extra aides for Michelle Obama that's putting us over the limit.

04-18-2011, 12:01 PM	#11
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=bitonti;4003153]complaining about the first lady's staff in a budget discussion is like wishing the fuel efficiency on the Titanic were better. This budget has a huge gaping iceberg sized hole in 3 wars, medicare and SS. it's not the 10 extra aides for Michelle Obama that's putting us over the limit.[/QUOTE] The President and First Lady's big personal spending attitgudes are symptomatic of the proble. They really don't care. It's all about them. An imperial presidency. Medicare and social security are a problem. Raise the age to 70 effective 2016 or so. Eliminate early retirement at 62. Raise the payroll tax to 17% (13% SS & 4% Medicare). No services whatever for illegals. But the Democrats refuse to pursue that direction. The Republicans, frankly, were afraid as well. The debt reduction commission headed by Alan Simpson and rskine Bowles did have some good ideas - implement them. Obama ran away from them. More personal responsibility is needed

04-18-2011, 12:13 PM	#12
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4003307]T But the Democrats refuse to pursue that direction. The Republicans, frankly, were afraid as well. The debt reduction commission headed by Alan Simpson and rskine Bowles did have some good ideas - implement them. Obama ran away from them. More personal responsibility is needed[/QUOTE] agree with the first statement, disagree with the 2nd... the Simpson Bowles committee Obama said he leaned on heavily for his latest plan. There are many similarities. Simpson and Bowles have endorsed the Prez plan as well.

04-18-2011, 12:35 PM	#13
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=bitonti;4003317]agree with the first statement, disagree with the 2nd... the Simpson Bowles committee Obama said he leaned on heavily for his latest plan. There are many similarities. Simpson and Bowles have endorsed the Prez plan as well.[/QUOTE] Actualy the last I heard Alan Simpson speak he didn't think too much of the prez's plan. There is too much talk of scalpel. I do not endorse a machete (the admin's lingo) but how about a cleaver? Cuts need to be made everywhere. Especially on the programs for the the poor. 45% not paying taxes is BS. The upper brackets can be tweaked up. Cap gains and dividends to 17.5% for example (half the top marginal rate). I happen to own stock in GE and Exxon. It's a disgrace they pay ZERO tax. And Jeffrey Immeldt (the jobs EXPORTER) is the president's jobs guy? Bizarre. Let's create jobs. That will reduce handouts and increase taxes.

04-18-2011, 01:02 PM	#14
Buster not a rocket surgeon All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar Posts: 4,267	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4003140] The current first lady's staff is at present still almost twice the size o Mrs. Bush's and at more than twice the salary. [/QUOTE] WRONG again [URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/"]factcheck.org[/URL]

04-18-2011, 01:29 PM	#15
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=Buster;4003385]WRONG again [URL="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/"]factcheck.org[/URL][/QUOTE] Sorry. After the famous "Help the Military Family" program it is. Plus her travel budget is astronomical. Marie Antoinette deserves only the best. Are you one of the welfare recipients who so dearly loves the prez because you get handouts? Sounds like it. We either cut or we're dead. S&P came out with a warning today that our debt could be downgraded unless we take action to reduce the deficit. This president has taken zero effort to do so and has far exceeded GWB's excesses. He is an incompetent with ZERO experience at managing anything.