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patman · 04-21-2011, 04:06 AM

Solid for the pats, he puts Ingram at 28 but says most likely it will be traded.

Beerfish · 04-21-2011, 09:31 AM

Ellis supposedly has major character concerns no? I'd be very leery about taking some of these high talent bad character guys. The last few years guys that were draft with those concerns have sure enough gotten into trouble. (Talib, Cox, Jolly etc)

They always have 'matured' and 'changed' just before the draft but past bad behavior is a big warning sign.

C Mart · 04-21-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

Ellis supposedly has major character concerns no? I'd be very leery about taking some of these high talent bad character guys. The last few years guys that were draft with those concerns have sure enough gotten into trouble. (Talib, Cox, Jolly etc)

They always have 'matured' and 'changed' just before the draft but past bad behavior is a big warning sign.

Good point! And add Dez Bryant to that list..At least Ellis would be a late 3rd and not a 1st...All comes down to how the Jets feel after their background checks and how his visit with them went...

But what if the Jets 1st was on Ayers and 3rd on Ellis..Add a CB prospect in the 4th...Sign me up!!!

jetster · 04-21-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by patman

Solid for the pats, he puts Ingram at 28 but says most likely it will be traded.

There is no way that Belichick uses a 1st round pick on a runningback!

Just look at how the Patriots view running backs in the past since BB has been there.

Paradis · 04-21-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

Ellis supposedly has major character concerns no? I'd be very leery about taking some of these high talent bad character guys. The last few years guys that were draft with those concerns have sure enough gotten into trouble. (Talib, Cox, Jolly etc)

They always have 'matured' and 'changed' just before the draft but past bad behavior is a big warning sign.

It might only seem that way, cause you're reminded of the ones trouble follows them into the NFL. Mike Williams, the quintessential example of 1st rnd talent, late rnd attitude, did nothing but catch balls and turns heads all year.

I think teams just need to do their research. Is it something that we can coach out of him? Was it his social entourage? Do we have the kind of locker room that will quell or swell this behavior?

crasherino · 04-21-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jetster

There is no way that Belichick uses a 1st round pick on a runningback!

Just look at how the Patriots view running backs in the past since BB has been there.

Maroney? That's not to say I disagree with your conclusion - they have too many other needs to go RB, IMO, but I wouldn't base anything the Pats (or any other team for that matter) do now solely on what they've done in the past. They never drafted a LB in the first round....until they did (Mayo).

Paradis · 04-21-2011, 11:02 AM

^^ exactly. You can't sit there and "they've never done X before" ... that's ridiculous.

It's tough to pin point NE's draft strategy but it usually involves jockeying around until the talent meets the pick and the team's need. NE doesn't need Ingram? NE has won a playoff game since before the 2007 SB. It's great that they have this lustre to their seasons still, but they can't get it done vs the Ravens's, Jet's and whatnot down the stretch.

Ignore the knee stuff and Ingram is an UNBELIEVABLE value late in rnd 1.

Much ado about Nothing · 04-21-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paradis

^^ exactly. You can't sit there and "they've never done X before" ... that's ridiculous.

It's tough to pin point NE's draft strategy but it usually involves jockeying around until the talent meets the pick and the team's need. NE doesn't need Ingram? NE has won a playoff game since before the 2007 SB. It's great that they have this lustre to their seasons still, but they can't get it done vs the Ravens's, Jet's and whatnot down the stretch.

Ignore the knee stuff and Ingram is an UNBELIEVABLE value late in rnd 1.

Plus what could Belichick dislike about picking a Heisman winning running back getting compared to guys like Emmit Smith? That offense hasn't had a threat at running back since Corey f'n Dillon.

k.Rhodes25 · 04-21-2011, 11:19 AM

Well the Jets are reportedly really high on Ayers, I haven't seen him enough to comment. But if he can rush the passer and bring some athleticism to our front 7 I would be happy.

04-21-2011, 04:06 AM	#21
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,151	Solid for the pats, he puts Ingram at 28 but says most likely it will be traded.

04-21-2011, 09:31 AM	#22
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,064	Ellis supposedly has major character concerns no? I'd be very leery about taking some of these high talent bad character guys. The last few years guys that were draft with those concerns have sure enough gotten into trouble. (Talib, Cox, Jolly etc) They always have 'matured' and 'changed' just before the draft but past bad behavior is a big warning sign.

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Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,106	^^ exactly. You can't sit there and "they've never done X before" ... that's ridiculous. It's tough to pin point NE's draft strategy but it usually involves jockeying around until the talent meets the pick and the team's need. NE doesn't need Ingram? NE has won a playoff game since before the 2007 SB. It's great that they have this lustre to their seasons still, but they can't get it done vs the Ravens's, Jet's and whatnot down the stretch. Ignore the knee stuff and Ingram is an UNBELIEVABLE value late in rnd 1.

04-21-2011, 11:19 AM	#29
k.Rhodes25 All League Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873	Well the Jets are reportedly really high on Ayers, I haven't seen him enough to comment. But if he can rush the passer and bring some athleticism to our front 7 I would be happy.