Pakistani sabre rattling... - Jets Insider.com Forums

jetswin · 05-05-2011, 01:04 PM

:rolleyes:

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06react.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]
The head of [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/pakistan/index.html?inline=nyt-geo"][COLOR=#004276]Pakistan[/COLOR][/URL]’s army, Gen. [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/ashfaq_parvez_kayani/index.html?inline=nyt-per"][COLOR=#004276]Ashfaq Parvez Kayani[/COLOR][/URL], said Thursday that he would not tolerate a repeat of the American covert operation that killed [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/osama_bin_laden/index.html?inline=nyt-per"][COLOR=#004276]Osama bin Laden[/COLOR][/URL], warning that any similar action would lead to a reconsideration of the relationship with the United States.
[/QUOTE]

Just what exactly does the US get out of this "relationship?" We send them billions, and Bin Laden was resting at the Pakistani Army's version of Shady Brook Farms for six years.

JetsFan2012 · 05-05-2011, 01:30 PM

Yeah seriously. They can eat a huge bag of dicks.

I'm reading a very interesting book right now called Ghost Wars. Essentially Pakistan has been jerking us around and bilking us out of billions since the early 80s.

PlumberKhan · 05-05-2011, 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=jetswin;4021999]:rolleyes:

he would not tolerate a repeat of the American covert operation that killed Osama bin Laden.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah. And what the f*** are they going to do about it? Not accept the 3 billion dollars were scheduled to hand over to them in "aid" this year?

:rolleyes:

Feeling froggy General Ashfaq-er? Seal Team Six has a few hours to spare. Want to meet with them personally to express your anger? They can be there at 1am...they'll rappel right down to the balcony your standing on right now...:yes:

palmetto defender · 05-05-2011, 01:44 PM

Pakistan has threatened disastrous results if we pull another raid. No real need now is there. They also want a reduction in our military presence (about 275) in Pakistan.
1. Pull all our troops out of there.
2. Don't give them any more money.
3. Continue to use drone attacks as we see fit.
4.. Break off diplomatic relations. We pull our embassy. We expel theirs from the U.S.
5. Put an embargo on all Pakistani good shipped to the U.S. They do a fair amount of textiles.
6. Give greater support (not financial) to India.
We do not need these dogs.

detectivekimble · 05-05-2011, 01:55 PM

[QUOTE=pauliec;4022020]Yeah seriously. They can eat a huge bag of dicks.

I'm reading a very interesting book right now called Ghost Wars. Essentially Pakistan has been jerking us around and bilking us out of billions since the early 80s.[/QUOTE]

This isn't a black and white issue. They've arrested many terrorists and got KSM for us, which probably led to OBL.

And I think the "jerking around" works both ways. Didn't we stiff them on some fighter jets back in 1989? I think W eventually came through on the fighter jets a few years ago, though. (Which is why I never understood why the Pakistanis hated W -- he treated them much better than Clinton did).

Revi$_I$l@nd · 05-05-2011, 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4022041]Pakistan has threatened disastrous results if we pull another raid. No real need now is there. They also want a reduction in our military presence (about 275) in Pakistan.
1. Pull all our troops out of there.
2. Don't give them any more money.
3. Continue to use drone attacks as we see fit.
4.. Break off diplomatic relations. We pull our embassy. We expel theirs from the U.S.
5. Put an embargo on all Pakistani good shipped to the U.S. They do a fair amount of textiles.
6. Give greater support (not financial) to India.
We do not need these dogs.[/QUOTE]

+ a million

PlumberKhan · 05-05-2011, 02:03 PM

[QUOTE=detectivekimble;4022059]And I think the "jerking around" works both ways. .[/QUOTE]

3 billion a year from us to them. They're not allowed to complain about anything we do. STFU Pakistan. Period.

WestCoastOffensive · 05-05-2011, 02:58 PM

That's like dirty cops crying that the FBI grabbed Gotti before they could.

parafly · 05-05-2011, 03:05 PM

It's such a shallow threat.

Let them "reevaluate" the relationship. We'll "reevaluate" our billions in aid, frequency of drone strikes, and military aid to India.

Jet_Engine1 · 05-05-2011, 03:37 PM

I've never understood why this nation has gone out of its way to have a "relationship" with Pakistan and alienated India.

**** the Pakis, lets have Delta or DevGru go in and eliminate Pakistans Nuke facility/storage site and tell India they have a Go.

bitonti · 05-05-2011, 03:39 PM

pakistan is the AIG of countries too big to fail

JetsFan2012 · 05-05-2011, 03:56 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4022246]pakistan is the AIG of countries too big to fail[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and they know it, too.

jetstream23 · 05-06-2011, 02:59 AM

We send them billions. They can't find UBL hiding in a mansion for 5 years down the road from a Pakistani military academy. Either complicity or incompetency...and neither is desirable from a supposed "ally" who possess the bomb, btw.

bitonti · 05-06-2011, 12:55 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream23;4022705]We send them billions. They can't find UBL hiding in a mansion for 5 years down the road from a Pakistani military academy. Either complicity or incompetency...and neither is desirable from a supposed "ally" who possess the bomb, btw.[/QUOTE]

The supply lines for Afghanistan war go through Pakistan

they can't go through Iran

Pakistan has tons of leverage in their relationship with the USA

and we did it to ourselves.

Warfish · 05-06-2011, 01:20 PM

[QUOTE=Jet_Engine1;4022243]I've never understood why this nation has gone out of its way to have a "relationship" with Pakistan and alienated India.

**** the Pakis, lets have Delta or DevGru go in and eliminate Pakistans Nuke facility/storage site and tell India they have a Go.[/QUOTE]

It's very simple: They are the least stable, least reliable Nation on Earth who posssess nuclear weapons.

Since we're not going to do anything of the sort of what you suggest (blow up their nukes) without overwhelming cause, being their "big friend" is the best way available to manage and control them to some degree, exploit whomever is in their territory (like OBL), and limit the risk of a Nuclear Snafoo. In effect, we're buying the perception of added stabillity and safety from a regional nuclear war.

And we don't alienate India, per se. We like India, and they understand (generally) what our relationship with Pakistan is all about.

Sourceworx · 05-06-2011, 01:23 PM

So let me get this straight. The Pakistanis have been hiding bin Laden for years (don't tell they didn't know he was there all this time), and they get pissed at us for going in and killing him without letting them know first?

Give me a break.

Re-evaluate our relationship, and go f*ck yourselves while you're at it.

quantum · 05-06-2011, 01:39 PM

[B]warning that any similar action would lead to a reconsideration of the relationship with the United States. [/B]

:rofl:

Translation: "Invading our territory again may cause us to be angry with you, and POSSIBLY not be your friends anymore. Maybe even shake our fingers at you and say "BAD!". Maybe. We haven't decided. BTW, where's this month's check?"

bitonti · 05-06-2011, 01:43 PM

[QUOTE=sourceworx;4023110]

Re-evaluate our relationship, and go f*ck yourselves while you're at it.[/QUOTE]

let me repeat myself

the supply lines for Afghanistan go through Pakistan.

that's pretty much the only way in...

[IMG]http://data.un.org/_Images/Maps/Afghanistan.gif[/IMG]

unless that war ends tomorrow we can't tell Pakistan go screw.

quantum · 05-06-2011, 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;4023135]let me repeat myself

the supply lines for Afghanistan go through Pakistan.

that's pretty much the only way in...

[IMG]http://data.un.org/_Images/Maps/Afghanistan.gif[/IMG]

unless that war ends tomorrow we can't tell Pakistan go screw.[/QUOTE]

we should go through Iran.

05-05-2011, 01:04 PM	#1
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,514	Pakistani sabre rattling... :rolleyes: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06react.html[/URL] [QUOTE] The head of [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/pakistan/index.html?inline=nyt-geo"][COLOR=#004276]Pakistan[/COLOR][/URL]’s army, Gen. [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/ashfaq_parvez_kayani/index.html?inline=nyt-per"][COLOR=#004276]Ashfaq Parvez Kayani[/COLOR][/URL], said Thursday that he would not tolerate a repeat of the American covert operation that killed [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/osama_bin_laden/index.html?inline=nyt-per"][COLOR=#004276]Osama bin Laden[/COLOR][/URL], warning that any similar action would lead to a reconsideration of the relationship with the United States. [/QUOTE] Just what exactly does the US get out of this "relationship?" We send them billions, and Bin Laden was resting at the Pakistani Army's version of Shady Brook Farms for six years.

05-06-2011, 01:20 PM	#15
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	[QUOTE=Jet_Engine1;4022243]I've never understood why this nation has gone out of its way to have a "relationship" with Pakistan and alienated India. **** the Pakis, lets have Delta or DevGru go in and eliminate Pakistans Nuke facility/storage site and tell India they have a Go.[/QUOTE] It's very simple: They are the least stable, least reliable Nation on Earth who posssess nuclear weapons. Since we're not going to do anything of the sort of what you suggest (blow up their nukes) without overwhelming cause, being their "big friend" is the best way available to manage and control them to some degree, exploit whomever is in their territory (like OBL), and limit the risk of a Nuclear Snafoo. In effect, we're buying the perception of added stabillity and safety from a regional nuclear war. And we don't alienate India, per se. We like India, and they understand (generally) what our relationship with Pakistan is all about. Last edited by Warfish; 05-06-2011 at 01:31 PM.

05-05-2011, 01:30 PM	#2
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	Yeah seriously. They can eat a huge bag of dicks. I'm reading a very interesting book right now called Ghost Wars. Essentially Pakistan has been jerking us around and bilking us out of billions since the early 80s.

05-05-2011, 01:44 PM	#3
PlumberKhan HAIL SATAN! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,081	[QUOTE=jetswin;4021999]:rolleyes: he would not tolerate a repeat of the American covert operation that killed Osama bin Laden.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah. And what the f*** are they going to do about it? Not accept the 3 billion dollars were scheduled to hand over to them in "aid" this year? :rolleyes: Feeling froggy General Ashfaq-er? Seal Team Six has a few hours to spare. Want to meet with them personally to express your anger? They can be there at 1am...they'll rappel right down to the balcony your standing on right now...:yes:

05-05-2011, 01:44 PM	#4
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,850	Pakistan has threatened disastrous results if we pull another raid. No real need now is there. They also want a reduction in our military presence (about 275) in Pakistan. 1. Pull all our troops out of there. 2. Don't give them any more money. 3. Continue to use drone attacks as we see fit. 4.. Break off diplomatic relations. We pull our embassy. We expel theirs from the U.S. 5. Put an embargo on all Pakistani good shipped to the U.S. They do a fair amount of textiles. 6. Give greater support (not financial) to India. We do not need these dogs.

05-05-2011, 01:55 PM	#5
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,006	[QUOTE=pauliec;4022020]Yeah seriously. They can eat a huge bag of dicks. I'm reading a very interesting book right now called Ghost Wars. Essentially Pakistan has been jerking us around and bilking us out of billions since the early 80s.[/QUOTE] This isn't a black and white issue. They've arrested many terrorists and got KSM for us, which probably led to OBL. And I think the "jerking around" works both ways. Didn't we stiff them on some fighter jets back in 1989? I think W eventually came through on the fighter jets a few years ago, though. (Which is why I never understood why the Pakistanis hated W -- he treated them much better than Clinton did).

05-05-2011, 01:56 PM	#6
Revi$_I$l@nd is Cro-ing H.A.M...Whatever that means Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,489	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4022041]Pakistan has threatened disastrous results if we pull another raid. No real need now is there. They also want a reduction in our military presence (about 275) in Pakistan. 1. Pull all our troops out of there. 2. Don't give them any more money. 3. Continue to use drone attacks as we see fit. 4.. Break off diplomatic relations. We pull our embassy. We expel theirs from the U.S. 5. Put an embargo on all Pakistani good shipped to the U.S. They do a fair amount of textiles. 6. Give greater support (not financial) to India. We do not need these dogs.[/QUOTE] + a million

05-05-2011, 02:03 PM	#7
PlumberKhan HAIL SATAN! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,081	[QUOTE=detectivekimble;4022059]And I think the "jerking around" works both ways. .[/QUOTE] 3 billion a year from us to them. They're not allowed to complain about anything we do. STFU Pakistan. Period.

05-05-2011, 02:58 PM	#8
WestCoastOffensive Didn't pull the pin - got blasted anyway Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,972	That's like dirty cops crying that the FBI grabbed Gotti before they could.

05-05-2011, 03:05 PM	#9
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,315	It's such a shallow threat. Let them "reevaluate" the relationship. We'll "reevaluate" our billions in aid, frequency of drone strikes, and military aid to India.

05-05-2011, 03:37 PM	#10
Jet_Engine1 Stictly an observer. All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 3,855	I've never understood why this nation has gone out of its way to have a "relationship" with Pakistan and alienated India. **** the Pakis, lets have Delta or DevGru go in and eliminate Pakistans Nuke facility/storage site and tell India they have a Go.

05-05-2011, 03:39 PM	#11
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	pakistan is the AIG of countries too big to fail

05-05-2011, 03:56 PM	#12
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	[QUOTE=bitonti;4022246]pakistan is the AIG of countries too big to fail[/QUOTE] Yeah, and they know it, too.

05-06-2011, 02:59 AM	#13
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,711	We send them billions. They can't find UBL hiding in a mansion for 5 years down the road from a Pakistani military academy. Either complicity or incompetency...and neither is desirable from a supposed "ally" who possess the bomb, btw.

05-06-2011, 12:55 PM	#14
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=jetstream23;4022705]We send them billions. They can't find UBL hiding in a mansion for 5 years down the road from a Pakistani military academy. Either complicity or incompetency...and neither is desirable from a supposed "ally" who possess the bomb, btw.[/QUOTE] The supply lines for Afghanistan war go through Pakistan they can't go through Iran Pakistan has tons of leverage in their relationship with the USA and we did it to ourselves.

05-06-2011, 01:23 PM	#16
Sourceworx Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 13,454	So let me get this straight. The Pakistanis have been hiding bin Laden for years (don't tell they didn't know he was there all this time), and they get pissed at us for going in and killing him without letting them know first? Give me a break. Re-evaluate our relationship, and go f*ck yourselves while you're at it.

05-06-2011, 01:39 PM	#17
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 18,031	[B]warning that any similar action would lead to a reconsideration of the relationship with the United States. [/B] :rofl: Translation: "Invading our territory again may cause us to be angry with you, and POSSIBLY not be your friends anymore. Maybe even shake our fingers at you and say "BAD!". Maybe. We haven't decided. BTW, where's this month's check?"

05-06-2011, 01:43 PM	#18
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=sourceworx;4023110] Re-evaluate our relationship, and go f*ck yourselves while you're at it.[/QUOTE] let me repeat myself the supply lines for Afghanistan go through Pakistan. that's pretty much the only way in... [IMG]http://data.un.org/_Images/Maps/Afghanistan.gif[/IMG] unless that war ends tomorrow we can't tell Pakistan go screw.

05-06-2011, 01:50 PM	#19
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 18,031	[QUOTE=bitonti;4023135]let me repeat myself the supply lines for Afghanistan go through Pakistan. that's pretty much the only way in... [IMG]http://data.un.org/_Images/Maps/Afghanistan.gif[/IMG] unless that war ends tomorrow we can't tell Pakistan go screw.[/QUOTE] we should go through Iran.