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jetliner · 11-26-2011, 04:19 PM

Like the qb before him Mark comes out of the USC system. These qb's are used to a rolling or sprint out qb formation. Keeping Sanchez in the "pocket" makes him throw from an unfamiliar position; hence the uncertainties and many of the mis-reads (interceptions). Other coaches have used their qb from more familiar formations and blocking schemes (Tebow, Vick,Tarkington,Staubach, etc......).
Check Mark's record on making plays from the pocket vs on the move.

Folks this is where Schotty has the biggest failure. He game plans for a pocket qb and he doesn't have one. Make no mistake if you've got a pocket qb and can protect him you can make hay like a Brady or Manning, but for Ch**T's sake , Sanchez is not a pocket QB!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Conkboy · 11-26-2011, 04:27 PM

I get where you are going here but your premise of USC quarterbacks being rollout QBs is way off. The NYJ need to move the pocket around a bit because they can't protect the QB. If our QB can't make plays from the pocket with some protection then we need another one. I want Sanchez to stick around and what I see as his biggest fault is not so much accuracy as finding the open receiver. Too many times I have seen guys one on one or wide open and the ball gets delivered someplace else.

PS... Schotty Sucks!!

Astoria · 11-26-2011, 04:35 PM

Wtf? He's not Mike Vick.

You can't roll out a quarterback every play, just like you can't keep a quarterback in the pocket every play. Just like you can't always get that 16 yard completion on 3rd and 15, sometimes the draw is the best play.

It's called gameplanning and play calling, and it's something we (and by we I mean one person, and his name is Brian) sucks at. It's not about making Sanchez roll out on [B]every play[/B], it's calling plays and formations that put him in position to succeed. I think Brian Schitheim has proven that he is not capable of this.

bcess · 11-26-2011, 04:44 PM

[QUOTE=jetliner;4250944]Like the qb before him Mark comes out of the USC system. These qb's are used to a rolling or sprint out qb formation. Keeping Sanchez in the "pocket" makes him throw from an unfamiliar position; hence the uncertainties and many of the mis-reads (interceptions). Other coaches have used their qb from more familiar formations and blocking schemes (Tebow, Vick,Tarkington,Staubach, etc......).
Check Mark's record on making plays from the pocket vs on the move.

Folks this is where Schotty has the biggest failure. He game plans for a pocket qb and he doesn't have one. Make no mistake if you've got a pocket qb and can protect him you can make hay like a Brady or Manning, but for Ch**T's sake , Sanchez is not a pocket QB!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:[/QUOTE]

how many years has he been in the usc system as opposed to the jets system?

Joe W. Namath · 11-26-2011, 05:02 PM

Mark needs to run more. When things break down, instead of trying to force the ball, he needs to scramble and pick up 3 or 4 yards. He doesnt run enough and I know he can.

2009fatman · 11-26-2011, 05:21 PM

[QUOTE=jetliner;4250944]Like the qb before him Mark comes out of the USC system. These qb's are used to a rolling or sprint out qb formation. Keeping Sanchez in the "pocket" makes him throw from an unfamiliar position; hence the uncertainties and many of the mis-reads (interceptions). Other coaches have used their qb from more familiar formations and blocking schemes (Tebow, Vick,Tarkington,Staubach, etc......).
Check Mark's record on making plays from the pocket vs on the move.

Folks this is where Schotty has the biggest failure. He game plans for a pocket qb and he doesn't have one. Make no mistake if you've got a pocket qb and can protect him you can make hay like a Brady or Manning, but for Ch**T's sake , Sanchez is not a pocket QB!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:[/QUOTE]

spot on, good post.

You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.

JB1089 · 11-26-2011, 05:24 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4250968]Mark needs to run more. When things break down, instead of trying to force the ball, he needs to scramble and pick up 3 or 4 yards. He doesnt run enough and I know he can.[/QUOTE]

They discouraged him from running during his rookie season. Everyone remember that?

Eckesg1 · 11-26-2011, 05:47 PM

[QUOTE=2009fatman;4250985]spot on, good post.

You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.[/QUOTE]

If the Jets played in their laugher of a division they would have 13-14 wins.

Savage69 · 11-26-2011, 05:49 PM

[QUOTE=2009fatman;4250985]spot on, good post.

You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.[/QUOTE]

+2 Jetliner is right on point..:yes:

srobjets · 11-26-2011, 09:51 PM

Bottom line Sh!tty is the problem. He's here to stay and will be the next Jets
HC.

Beerfish · 11-26-2011, 10:07 PM

[QUOTE=JB1089;4250988]They discouraged him from running during his rookie season. Everyone remember that?[/QUOTE]

Yup, and a very dumb thing that was indeed. Having the QB run does not mean he is going to do stupid things. One of the best ways to slow down a pass rush is to have the QB burn the rush about 2 or 3 times with 7 or 8 yard gains.

2009fatman · 11-26-2011, 10:57 PM

[QUOTE=srobjets;4251168]Bottom line Sh!tty is the problem. He's here to stay and will be the next Jets
HC.[/QUOTE]

I would have laughed at this post a week ago. Now I'm not so sure. Woody is very fond of Schotty, that's been made clear.

jetvol1 · 11-27-2011, 12:16 AM

Shotty is a joke of an OC. He can't put together 2 good game plans together in row.

Seems to only come up with good ones when he feels his job is on the line.

FijiJet · 11-27-2011, 03:09 AM

[QUOTE=Astoria;4250951]Wtf? He's not Mike Vick.

You can't roll out a quarterback every play, just like you can't keep a quarterback in the pocket every play. Just like you can't always get that 16 yard completion on 3rd and 15, sometimes the draw is the best play.

It's called gameplanning and play calling, and it's something we (and by we I mean one person, and his name is Brian) sucks at. It's not about making Sanchez roll out on [B]every play[/B], it's calling plays and formations that put him in position to succeed. I think Brian Schitheim has proven that he is not capable of this.[/QUOTE]
Good post. God I hate Shoddy's incompetent ways. Hate his cookie cutter game plans. Please sack the bastid and replace with someone who has a clue

Depths · 11-27-2011, 03:47 AM

I stopped reading at Tarkington

TerminatorJet · 11-27-2011, 06:55 AM

[QUOTE=jetvol1;4251249]Shotty is a joke of an OC. He can't put together 2 good game plans together in row.

Seems to only come up with good ones when he feels his job is on the line.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see Schithead put together 1 good game plan in a row first.

JETranger 206B · 11-27-2011, 08:37 AM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;4251177]Yup, and a very dumb thing that was indeed. Having the QB run does not mean he is going to do stupid things. One of the best ways to slow down a pass rush is to have the QB burn the rush about 2 or 3 times with 7 or 8 yard gains.[/QUOTE]

:worship:

killu4what · 11-27-2011, 08:40 AM

[QUOTE=2009fatman;4250985]spot on, good post.

You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.[/QUOTE]

Uhh and Sanchez isn't holding the jets back? If sanchez had alex smith numbers we would all be happy. You have the greenest of goggles sir. I wonder how many 49ers fan would take that trade?

The answer is none.

jetvol1 · 11-27-2011, 12:50 PM

[QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4251282]I'd like to see Schithead put together 1 good game plan in a row first.[/QUOTE]

good point...This year I think the Bills game was his only good game. the Bills D was completely out of wack....But that's about it.

11-26-2011, 04:19 PM	#1
jetliner as old as dirt, and now older than dirt and in Charlotte NC Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,261	The Mis-use of Sanchez Like the qb before him Mark comes out of the USC system. These qb's are used to a rolling or sprint out qb formation. Keeping Sanchez in the "pocket" makes him throw from an unfamiliar position; hence the uncertainties and many of the mis-reads (interceptions). Other coaches have used their qb from more familiar formations and blocking schemes (Tebow, Vick,Tarkington,Staubach, etc......). Check Mark's record on making plays from the pocket vs on the move. Folks this is where Schotty has the biggest failure. He game plans for a pocket qb and he doesn't have one. Make no mistake if you've got a pocket qb and can protect him you can make hay like a Brady or Manning, but for Ch**T's sake , Sanchez is not a pocket QB!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

11-26-2011, 04:27 PM	#2
Conkboy "All Conked Up" All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,525	I get where you are going here but your premise of USC quarterbacks being rollout QBs is way off. The NYJ need to move the pocket around a bit because they can't protect the QB. If our QB can't make plays from the pocket with some protection then we need another one. I want Sanchez to stick around and what I see as his biggest fault is not so much accuracy as finding the open receiver. Too many times I have seen guys one on one or wide open and the ball gets delivered someplace else. PS... Schotty Sucks!!

11-26-2011, 04:35 PM	#3
Astoria Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,775	Wtf? He's not Mike Vick. You can't roll out a quarterback every play, just like you can't keep a quarterback in the pocket every play. Just like you can't always get that 16 yard completion on 3rd and 15, sometimes the draw is the best play. It's called gameplanning and play calling, and it's something we (and by we I mean one person, and his name is Brian) sucks at. It's not about making Sanchez roll out on [B]every play[/B], it's calling plays and formations that put him in position to succeed. I think Brian Schitheim has proven that he is not capable of this.

11-26-2011, 04:44 PM	#4
bcess Lockin fools up Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ft lauderdale Posts: 1,267	[QUOTE=jetliner;4250944]Like the qb before him Mark comes out of the USC system. These qb's are used to a rolling or sprint out qb formation. Keeping Sanchez in the "pocket" makes him throw from an unfamiliar position; hence the uncertainties and many of the mis-reads (interceptions). Other coaches have used their qb from more familiar formations and blocking schemes (Tebow, Vick,Tarkington,Staubach, etc......). Check Mark's record on making plays from the pocket vs on the move. Folks this is where Schotty has the biggest failure. He game plans for a pocket qb and he doesn't have one. Make no mistake if you've got a pocket qb and can protect him you can make hay like a Brady or Manning, but for Ch**T's sake , Sanchez is not a pocket QB!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:[/QUOTE] how many years has he been in the usc system as opposed to the jets system?

11-26-2011, 05:02 PM	#5
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,868	Mark needs to run more. When things break down, instead of trying to force the ball, he needs to scramble and pick up 3 or 4 yards. He doesnt run enough and I know he can.

11-26-2011, 05:21 PM	#6
2009fatman Go Geno! All Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 6,802	[QUOTE=jetliner;4250944]Like the qb before him Mark comes out of the USC system. These qb's are used to a rolling or sprint out qb formation. Keeping Sanchez in the "pocket" makes him throw from an unfamiliar position; hence the uncertainties and many of the mis-reads (interceptions). Other coaches have used their qb from more familiar formations and blocking schemes (Tebow, Vick,Tarkington,Staubach, etc......). Check Mark's record on making plays from the pocket vs on the move. Folks this is where Schotty has the biggest failure. He game plans for a pocket qb and he doesn't have one. Make no mistake if you've got a pocket qb and can protect him you can make hay like a Brady or Manning, but for Ch**T's sake , Sanchez is not a pocket QB!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:[/QUOTE] spot on, good post. You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.

11-26-2011, 05:24 PM	#7
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,740	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4250968]Mark needs to run more. When things break down, instead of trying to force the ball, he needs to scramble and pick up 3 or 4 yards. He doesnt run enough and I know he can.[/QUOTE] They discouraged him from running during his rookie season. Everyone remember that?

11-26-2011, 05:47 PM	#8
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,369	[QUOTE=2009fatman;4250985]spot on, good post. You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.[/QUOTE] If the Jets played in their laugher of a division they would have 13-14 wins.

11-26-2011, 05:49 PM	#9
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,388	[QUOTE=2009fatman;4250985]spot on, good post. You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.[/QUOTE] +2 Jetliner is right on point..:yes:

11-26-2011, 09:51 PM	#10
srobjets Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,467	Bottom line Sh!tty is the problem. He's here to stay and will be the next Jets HC.

11-26-2011, 10:07 PM	#11
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,116	[QUOTE=JB1089;4250988]They discouraged him from running during his rookie season. Everyone remember that?[/QUOTE] Yup, and a very dumb thing that was indeed. Having the QB run does not mean he is going to do stupid things. One of the best ways to slow down a pass rush is to have the QB burn the rush about 2 or 3 times with 7 or 8 yard gains.

11-26-2011, 10:57 PM	#12
2009fatman Go Geno! All Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 6,802	[QUOTE=srobjets;4251168]Bottom line Sh!tty is the problem. He's here to stay and will be the next Jets HC.[/QUOTE] I would have laughed at this post a week ago. Now I'm not so sure. Woody is very fond of Schotty, that's been made clear.

11-27-2011, 12:16 AM	#13
jetvol1 Practice Squad Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 358	Shotty is a joke of an OC. He can't put together 2 good game plans together in row. Seems to only come up with good ones when he feels his job is on the line.

11-27-2011, 03:09 AM	#14
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,517	[QUOTE=Astoria;4250951]Wtf? He's not Mike Vick. You can't roll out a quarterback every play, just like you can't keep a quarterback in the pocket every play. Just like you can't always get that 16 yard completion on 3rd and 15, sometimes the draw is the best play. It's called gameplanning and play calling, and it's something we (and by we I mean one person, and his name is Brian) sucks at. It's not about making Sanchez roll out on [B]every play[/B], it's calling plays and formations that put him in position to succeed. I think Brian Schitheim has proven that he is not capable of this.[/QUOTE] Good post. God I hate Shoddy's incompetent ways. Hate his cookie cutter game plans. Please sack the bastid and replace with someone who has a clue

11-27-2011, 03:47 AM	#15
Depths random Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15	I stopped reading at Tarkington

11-27-2011, 06:55 AM	#16
TerminatorJet is making lotsa $$ off Schotty's stupidity! Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,348	[QUOTE=jetvol1;4251249]Shotty is a joke of an OC. He can't put together 2 good game plans together in row. Seems to only come up with good ones when he feels his job is on the line.[/QUOTE] I'd like to see Schithead put together 1 good game plan in a row first.

11-27-2011, 08:37 AM	#17
JETranger 206B Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jersey shore Posts: 2,016	[QUOTE=Beerfish;4251177]Yup, and a very dumb thing that was indeed. Having the QB run does not mean he is going to do stupid things. One of the best ways to slow down a pass rush is to have the QB burn the rush about 2 or 3 times with 7 or 8 yard gains.[/QUOTE] :worship:

11-27-2011, 08:40 AM	#18
killu4what Practice Squad Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 34	[QUOTE=2009fatman;4250985]spot on, good post. You put Sanchez on a team like the 9ers, with Jim Harbaugh coaching him, and they're a SB team, and a threat to the Packers. The only thing holding the 9ers back right now is Alex Smith.[/QUOTE] Uhh and Sanchez isn't holding the jets back? If sanchez had alex smith numbers we would all be happy. You have the greenest of goggles sir. I wonder how many 49ers fan would take that trade? The answer is none.

11-27-2011, 12:50 PM	#19
jetvol1 Practice Squad Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 358	[QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4251282]I'd like to see Schithead put together 1 good game plan in a row first.[/QUOTE] good point...This year I think the Bills game was his only good game. the Bills D was completely out of wack....But that's about it.