How good would the Jets be with Tebow?

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by My.Favorite.Martin

My point is that Tebow is a glorified RB who is likely (i don't know the numbers) given more opportunities to throw the ball in the redzone. He is looking to run first and passes if it's a safe pass.

Sanchez is a QB who is looking to pass first and runs if he has to. He takes more risks throwing the ball. Many of those risks are stupid, but the numbers don't tell the whole story.

No doubt however a team built to play D and run the ball, like the Jets might well have a better record with that style of play if the alternative is a pass oriented QB who has happy feet in the pocket and can't throw accurately because of it.

[augustiniak]

could you imagine bellichick gameplanning for the jets if tebow were the qb. he'd put 10 guys in the box. then we'd all see how important it is to have a qb who can throw.

[My.Favorite.Martin]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

No doubt however a team built to play D and run the ball, like the Jets might well have a better record with that style of play if the alternative is a pass oriented QB who has happy feet in the pocket and can't throw accurately because of it.

How well have the Jets played D or ran the ball this year?

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by My.Favorite.Martin

How well have the Jets played D or ran the ball this year?

Tough to tell because we usually abandon the run for empty backfields in many medium run/pass situations.

[My.Favorite.Martin]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Tough to tell because we usually abandon the run for empty backfields in many medium run/pass situations.

It's also tough to tell what Sanchez' TD/INT ratio would be if he rarely passed the ball outside of the redzone and looked to run before pass.

Our YPC average is well below what it was the previous two years when we had a legit NFL RT, a future HOF FB and a blocking TE who could actually block.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by My.Favorite.Martin

It's also tough to tell what Sanchez' TD/INT ratio would be if he rarely passed the ball outside of the redzone and looked to run before pass.

Our YPC average is well below what it was the previous two years when we had a legit NFL RT, a future HOF FB and a blocking TE who could actually block.

Agreed Sanchez kind of sucks without an all star cast around him and we might well be better off this year with a bull at QB who could run a safer O and have some other options.

[Dirtstar]

how is this thread not in the dump??

[revischrist]

I have found this footage of KR watching Tebow playing QB:

[My.Favorite.Martin]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Agreed Sanchez kind of sucks without an all star cast around him and we might well be better off this year with a bull at QB who could run a safer O and have some other options.

What does Sanchez have to do with the lack of success our running game is having this year compared to previous years? You said we're built to be a running team. I'm not sure that I agree and that's not what seems to be playing out on the field.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by My.Favorite.Martin

What does Sanchez have to do with the lack of success our running game is having this year compared to previous years? You said we're built to be a running team. I'm not sure that I agree and that's not what seems to be playing out on the field.

Having a QB who can make decisions and beat teams that are stacking up against the run certainly has something to do with our lack of success in the running game.

We have lots of issues on O. Bad decision making and poor overall play of the QB is certainly one of them.

[My.Favorite.Martin]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Having a QB who can make decisions and beat teams that are stacking up against the run certainly has something to do with our lack of success in the running game.

We have lots of issues on O. Bad decision making and poor overall play of the QB is certainly one of them.

OK, but why was our running game so much better when he was a rookie and making even worse decisions?

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by My.Favorite.Martin

OK, but why was our running game so much better when he was a rookie and making even worse decisions?

Fanecca was 100% better in the run game than Slauson who is a barely servicable tackle who is marginally okay because he's between a very good LT and a great Center. We squeezed the last year out of Jones who unlike Greene could actually stay on the field. Woody was servicable 2 years ago, he was done last year and our replacement went down in TC.

We had a much better D 2 years ago and we ran the ball more than any team in football 2 years ago. We were committed to it and matched up against loaded D's that were set up to stop the run. We didn't go to empty backfields all the time so we could go over the top easier out of play action, less decision making for the QB easier throws down the middle of the field.

We had 3 bad breaks this year. The RT going down, Greene's inability to take the load from LT and Mangold's injury. We needed Sanchez to step up a notch and instead without an allstar cast around him he has shown outright fear to stand in and make throws. He hasn't manned up and that's a fact.

I can live with it, the guy has to develop but the Jets need much better QB play with this team than they did the last 2 years.

[My.Favorite.Martin]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Fanecca was 100% better in the run game than Slauson who is a barely servicable tackle who is marginally okay because he's between a very good LT and a great Center. We squeezed the last year out of Jones who unlike Greene could actually stay on the field. Woody was servicable 2 years ago, he was done last year and our replacement went down in TC.

We had a much better D 2 years ago and we ran the ball more than any team in football 2 years ago. We were committed to it and matched up against loaded D's that were set up to stop the run. We didn't go to empty backfields all the time so we could go over the top easier out of play action, less decision making for the QB easier throws down the middle of the field.

We had 3 bad breaks this year. The RT going down, Greene's inability to take the load from LT and Mangold's injury. We needed Sanchez to step up a notch and instead without an allstar cast around him he has shown outright fear to stand in and make throws. He hasn't manned up and that's a fact.

I can live with it, the guy has to develop but the Jets need much better QB play with this team than they did the last 2 years.

I agree with all of that. But it also doesn't help show why Tebow would be a better QB for this team.

[KR]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

No doubt however a team built to play D and run the ball, like the Jets might well have a better record with that style of play if the alternative is a pass oriented QB who has happy feet in the pocket and can't throw accurately because of it.

Thats the idea here people.

Right now our QB is still MR. Turnover finishing up his third year in the league. He is still very inaccurate. He still can't look off defenders, and still locks into one guy.

Yet all I read is excuses. He needs better receivers (Two superbowl WR's are not good enough). Better Oline(Two All Pro's not enough). Better Coordinator. It is EVERYONES fault on this team except the QB.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by KR

Thats the idea here people.

Right now our QB is still MR. Turnover finishing up his third year in the league. He is still very inaccurate. He still can't look off defenders, and still locks into one guy.

Yet all I read is excuses. He needs better receivers (Two superbowl WR's are not good enough). Better Oline(Two All Pro's not enough). Better Coordinator. It is EVERYONES fault on this team except the QB.

Being a third year QB isn't an excuse, it's reality. The Jets simply aren't good enough around him to win with a third year QB who still needs to grow up.

[SMC]

Originally Posted by KR

Thats the idea here people.

Right now our QB is still MR. Turnover finishing up his third year in the league. He is still very inaccurate. He still can't look off defenders, and still locks into one guy.

Yet all I read is excuses. He needs better receivers (Two superbowl WR's are not good enough). Better Oline(Two All Pro's not enough). Better Coordinator. It is EVERYONES fault on this team except the QB.

Even if what you say is 100% true, it's no defense for your ridiculous claims about Tebow.

You've become completely irrational on this QB issue. After the Broncos game you even said that you hoped the Jets lost the remainder of their games so they could try to trade up for Luck.

[augustiniak]

Originally Posted by KR

Thats the idea here people.

Right now our QB is still MR. Turnover finishing up his third year in the league. He is still very inaccurate. He still can't look off defenders, and still locks into one guy.

Yet all I read is excuses. He needs better receivers (Two superbowl WR's are not good enough). Better Oline(Two All Pro's not enough). Better Coordinator. It is EVERYONES fault on this team except the QB.

you make it sound like sanchez has studs all around him. but the right side of the o-line has sucked this year. remember, sanchez had concussion tests after the first game and broke his nose in the 4th game. the running game has been average at best. greene is decent sometimes but is slow and isn't a threat to run after dumpoffs. plax is slow and doesn't get separation anymore and is only in the league b/c he's very tall. they have all of 1 TE who can catch.

and yet, sanchez is tied for 8th in td passes.

instead of bashing sanchez, why don't we all look around the league and see how some of the other younger qbs are doing. many are struggling. it's always easier to bash your own. but i don't think many folks liked what they saw out of stafford on thanksgiving. the guy was throwing the same types of picks that sanchez throws.

[revischrist]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Being a third year QB isn't an excuse, it's reality. The Jets simply aren't good enough around him to win with a third year QB who still needs to grow up.

I agree this team has no chance to make it to back to AFC Championship games with this guy as our QB unless they drastically...oh wait, they are already did.

Yeah, Sanchez needs to get better, but they can with Sanchez, they have proven that they can win 4 road playoff games with him.

[KR]

Originally Posted by SMC

Even if what you say is 100% true, it's no defense for your ridiculous claims about Tebow.

You've become completely irrational on this QB issue. After the Broncos game you even said that you hoped the Jets lost the remainder of their games so they could try to trade up for Luck.

What is rational regarding our QB issue?

Ive put stats in the thread, listed exactly what Sanchez is doing wrong, and the reasons why he will gone from this team at the end of next year. Most of my post involve quantitative terms that many analyst agree on(Dilfer right on this front page) and many others stated too( holds on ball too long, latching onto one WR, inaccurate, turnovers, poor ball handling, happy feet etc). What is irrational about that? Its just stating the facts. Moreso its just stating the obvious.

On the other hand others make random excuse, after random excuse about Sanchez. Of the 100 or more responses little have included any stats, facts, or anything analyst are stating. Someone even mentioned Sanchez being the next Drew Brees. Read over the thread, who's being irrational?

[KR]

Originally Posted by augustiniak

you make it sound like sanchez has studs all around him. but the right side of the o-line has sucked this year. remember, sanchez had concussion tests after the first game and broke his nose in the 4th game. the running game has been average at best. greene is decent sometimes but is slow and isn't a threat to run after dumpoffs. plax is slow and doesn't get separation anymore and is only in the league b/c he's very tall. they have all of 1 TE who can catch.

and yet, sanchez is tied for 8th in td passes.

instead of bashing sanchez, why don't we all look around the league and see how some of the other younger qbs are doing. many are struggling. it's always easier to bash your own. but i don't think many folks liked what they saw out of stafford on thanksgiving. the guy was throwing the same types of picks that sanchez throws.

Please read the thread title. That was the point of the thread. Tebow has done alot more with less talent then Sanchez.

And Stafford is about 10000000000 times the QB Sanchez is. I would have put him in the thread but its not fair.