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Dirtstar · 12-09-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by David Harris

Complete joke, lol - how can a sport do this and keep it's credibility...if the crooked refs hadn't already done that...

and Stern pulled this crap on the same day that the CBA had been voted and ratified.

he needs to resign.

TerminatorJet · 12-09-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtstar

and Stern pulled this crap on the same day that the CBA had been voted and ratified.

he needs to resign.

+1

NY-Jets · 12-09-2011, 04:54 PM

Come on guys... Stern isnt the one whos ruining the league, the players are. If anything, Stern is trying to protect the league. He had to kill that Chris Paul to LA deal, the owners were against the trade, and the Hornets were getting screwed.

Stern isnt the problem here, its the players who are slowly ruining the league.

You would have never seen Magic and Bird form a super team during the 80s, or Stockton, Miller and Ewing form a trio to get past Jordan and the Bulls. Stockton is the greatest pure PG of all-time, Miller was a top 3 2G of our era and Ewing is one of the greatest centers of all time, none ever won a championship, but if they would have formed a trio together? They would have won over 5 championships together. It would have never happened though, because Ewing was NY, Reggie was Indy and Stockton was Utah. Players of the 80s and 90s had too much pride to join forces like that.

Pierce, Allen and KG really started it. They had great success with their Boston trio. LeBron, Wade and Bosh were next to follow. Made the finals during their first year together. Now its Amare, Carmelo and Paul who tried to form an unfiar trio. NY just didnt have the trade pieces. And now its Dwight Howard looking to join forces with D.Williams. Etc, etc.

Lets not blame David Stern for trying to save the league, lets blame these players for lacking the type of heart and pride that Jordan, Ewing, Reggie and Stockton all played with.

Johnny Drama · 12-09-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NY-Jets

Come on guys... Stern isnt the one whos ruining the league, the players are. If anything, Stern is trying to protect the league. He had to kill that Chris Paul to LA deal, the owners were against the trade, and the Hornets were getting screwed.

Stern isnt the problem here, its the players who are slowly ruining the league.

You would have never seen Magic and Bird form a super team during the 80s, or Stockton, Miller and Ewing form a trio to get past Jordan and the Bulls. Stockton is the greatest pure PG of all-time, Miller was a top 3 2G of our era and Ewing is one of the greatest centers of all time, none ever won a championship, but if they would have formed a trio together? They would have won over 5 championships together. It would have never happened though, because Ewing was NY, Reggie was Indy and Stockton was Utah. Players of the 80s and 90s had too much pride to join forces like that.

Pierce, Allen and KG really started it. They had great success with their Boston trio. LeBron, Wade and Bosh were next to follow. Made the finals during their first year together. Now its Amare, Carmelo and Paul who tried to form an unfiar trio. NY just didnt have the trade pieces. And now its Dwight Howard looking to join forces with D.Williams. Etc, etc.

Lets not blame David Stern for trying to save the league, lets blame these players for lacking the type of heart and pride that Jordan, Ewing, Reggie and Stockton all played with.

Bird was on a superteam.
Magic was on a superteam.
Stockton had a top 5 foward of all time.
Michael had Scottie and Rodman
Pierce/Allen/KG is a completely different situation then Miami.

No one remembers Barkley and Pippen going to Hou with Hakeem.

the problem with the league is a) too many teams, b) the small market teams are run terribly.

Dreamers · 12-09-2011, 05:16 PM

Paul is the 2nd best player in the NBA IMO. This would be the best deal in Knicks history if it happened. That said I dont see them getting him. So if they trade Amare and dont get Paul they suck for the next decade again.

k.Rhodes25 · 12-09-2011, 09:15 PM

So the Knicks lineup looks like this right now;
C-Tyson Chandler
PF-Amare Stoudemire
SF-Carmelo Anthony
SG-Landry Fields
PG-Tony Douglas

Its an improvement over last year, who knows how far they can go. Looking back, this is the first time D'Antoni had a real center.

Johnny Drama · 12-09-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

So the Knicks lineup looks like this right now;
C-Tyson Chandler
PF-Amare Stoudemire
SF-Carmelo Anthony
SG-Landry Fields
PG-Tony Douglas

Its an improvement over last year, who knows how far they can go. Looking back, this is the first time D'Antoni had a real center.

Yea, well see. I like Tyson alot, not for the money he will get but he is still 28, and you have to overpay for centers now a days. Id be willing to bet they pick up a veteran PG so Tony goes back to being a 6th man/scoring guard roll.

Phoenixx · 12-09-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

So the Knicks lineup looks like this right now;
C-Tyson Chandler
PF-Amare Stoudemire
SF-Carmelo Anthony
SG-Landry Fields
PG-Tony Douglas

Its an improvement over last year, who knows how far they can go.

Looking back, this is the first time D'Antoni had a real center.

More importantly, this is the first time D'Antoni has had Mike Woodson to coach Defense.

SMC · 12-10-2011, 11:21 AM

Smart basketball move. Wouldve loved CP3, but that wasn't happening. It's a 4 yr deal for about $14 million. Not a max deal, but big enough to eliminate CP3 next year.

Chandler filled the Knicks biggest holes, D and C.

The time is to forget about CP3 and build a team around 2 of the top 5 scorers in the NBA. The Knicks can win a championship without an All-Star PG if they put the right complementary players around Melo & Stat. Chandler is one of such players.

cr726 · 12-10-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC

Smart basketball move. Wouldve loved CP3, but that wasn't happening. It's a 4 yr deal for about $14 million. Not a max deal, but big enough to eliminate CP3 next year.

Chandler filled the Knicks biggest holes, D and C.

The time is to forget about CP3 and build a team around 2 of the top 5 scorers in the NBA. The Knicks can win a championship without an All-Star PG if they put the right complementary players around Melo & Stat. Chandler is one of such players.

Knicks need a legit coach for any of their moves to matter.

SMC · 12-10-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cr726

Knicks need a legit coach for any of their moves to matter.

I COMPLETELY agree.

Still, you have to build a "team."

C Mart · 12-10-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cr726

Knicks need a legit coach for any of their moves to matter.

Maybe Phil Jackson next year...

Interesting to see what type of player Shumpert is/becomes..

Brooklyn Jet · 12-10-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Drama

Id be willing to bet they pick up a veteran PG so Tony goes back to being a 6th man/scoring guard roll.

They'll pick up an affordable veteran PG (Mike Bibby is being floated as a rumor), and run the offense through Melo. With Chandler playing D and Mike Woodson on the staff, this is going to be the most well rounded Knicks team in a while.

Johnny Drama · 12-10-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn Jet

They'll pick up an affordable veteran PG (Mike Bibby is being floated as a rumor), and run the offense through Melo. With Chandler playing D and Mike Woodson on the staff, this is going to be the most well rounded Knicks team in a while.

yea, of course d'antoni wants to bring in bibby because all he does is shoot the three. Jerome Jordan the 7footer they had overseas is being brought in and hopefully Shawne Williams accepts the Knicks offer today. Your right, this will be the most well rounded team they have had in forever. I hope Baron Davis gets amnestied, considering him motivated is the best of the slim choices we would have

k.Rhodes25 · 12-10-2011, 02:49 PM

It looks like Mike Bibby will be brought in.

carlito1171 · 12-10-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NY-Jets

the Hornets were getting screwed.

Def disagree. The Hornets were getting Odom, Scola, Kev. Martin, Dragic AND picks!!!! that's damn good for losing a star player.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Drama

Bird was on a superteam.
Magic was on a superteam.
Stockton had a top 5 foward of all time.
Michael had Scottie and Rodman
Pierce/Allen/KG is a completely different situation then Miami.

No one remembers Barkley and Pippen going to Hou with Hakeem.

the problem with the league is a) too many teams, b) the small market teams are run terribly.

This!!!! Colin Cowherd says it best: The NBA flourshes best when the stars are in the large markets

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Originally Posted by cr726

Knicks need a legit coach for any of their moves to matter.

This X100000000 Antoni is a goner next season

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Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

It looks like Mike Bibby will be brought in.

I'm kinda like ehhh on Bibby going to the Knicks

NY-Jets · 12-10-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cr726

Knicks need a legit coach for any of their moves to matter.

We have our real coach to contend with.

MDA is one of only 3 NBA coaches whos ever turned a 50+ loss team around from the year before to a 60+ win team the following season. Earned coach of the year honors back in 2004-2005. MDA and the Suns went to 4 consecutive trips to playoffs inside an extremely tough Western Conference. Two seasons of 54+ wins, along with two seasons of 60+ wins. Had a regular season winning record of 232-96 during his 4 full seasons as head coach with the Suns, and last but not least, he led those PHX teams to two Western Conference Final apperances over a four year span.

So lets not sit here and act as if our coach wont be able to contend coming out of the Eastern Conference.

He may of had Nash and Amare in PHX, but then again, Nash was (and still is) one of the worst defensive PGs around. MDA never had a center to compete with Duncan and the Spurs. Lets not talk about a washed up Shaq who was unable to run the floor. With Melo, Amare and a great defensive Center in Chandler, the Knicks will compete for years to come under Mike.

12-09-2011, 04:54 PM	#23
NY-Jets Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 38	Come on guys... Stern isnt the one whos ruining the league, the players are. If anything, Stern is trying to protect the league. He had to kill that Chris Paul to LA deal, the owners were against the trade, and the Hornets were getting screwed. Stern isnt the problem here, its the players who are slowly ruining the league. You would have never seen Magic and Bird form a super team during the 80s, or Stockton, Miller and Ewing form a trio to get past Jordan and the Bulls. Stockton is the greatest pure PG of all-time, Miller was a top 3 2G of our era and Ewing is one of the greatest centers of all time, none ever won a championship, but if they would have formed a trio together? They would have won over 5 championships together. It would have never happened though, because Ewing was NY, Reggie was Indy and Stockton was Utah. Players of the 80s and 90s had too much pride to join forces like that. Pierce, Allen and KG really started it. They had great success with their Boston trio. LeBron, Wade and Bosh were next to follow. Made the finals during their first year together. Now its Amare, Carmelo and Paul who tried to form an unfiar trio. NY just didnt have the trade pieces. And now its Dwight Howard looking to join forces with D.Williams. Etc, etc. Lets not blame David Stern for trying to save the league, lets blame these players for lacking the type of heart and pride that Jordan, Ewing, Reggie and Stockton all played with.

12-09-2011, 05:16 PM	#25
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,396	Paul is the 2nd best player in the NBA IMO. This would be the best deal in Knicks history if it happened. That said I dont see them getting him. So if they trade Amare and dont get Paul they suck for the next decade again.

12-09-2011, 09:15 PM	#26
k.Rhodes25 All League Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,875	So the Knicks lineup looks like this right now; C-Tyson Chandler PF-Amare Stoudemire SF-Carmelo Anthony SG-Landry Fields PG-Tony Douglas Its an improvement over last year, who knows how far they can go. Looking back, this is the first time D'Antoni had a real center.

12-10-2011, 11:21 AM	#29
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	Smart basketball move. Wouldve loved CP3, but that wasn't happening. It's a 4 yr deal for about $14 million. Not a max deal, but big enough to eliminate CP3 next year. Chandler filled the Knicks biggest holes, D and C. The time is to forget about CP3 and build a team around 2 of the top 5 scorers in the NBA. The Knicks can win a championship without an All-Star PG if they put the right complementary players around Melo & Stat. Chandler is one of such players.

12-10-2011, 02:49 PM	#35
k.Rhodes25 All League Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,875	It looks like Mike Bibby will be brought in.