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jetsonly · 12-27-2011, 09:59 PM

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bitonti · 12-28-2011, 12:56 PM

[QUOTE=jetsonly;4296265]Unfair my a**. Thier WR made a great football move. This is the NFL, that happends.
Smith took a god awful angle on that play. It's absolutly fair to blame him.[/QUOTE]

my point is that Eric Smith was the 3rd missed tackle on that play. Cro and Kyle Wilson are actually more to blame.

Beerfish · 12-28-2011, 01:55 PM

Watch from 0.15 to 0.18 on that clip, preferrably by stopping and starting. It is virtually amazing how slow Smith is compared to Cruz, it's like watching those super imposed versions of Rich Eisen vs Chris Johnson in the 40 yard dash. Smith can't run any more than a 4.8 these days I'd wager.

nuu faaola · 12-28-2011, 02:03 PM

Eric Smith is an outstanding run defender and a good special teamer. He's terrible in coverage.

He'd be a good backup, and hopefully that's what he will be next year.

Jordy · 12-28-2011, 02:05 PM

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sec.101row23 · 12-28-2011, 02:08 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4297050]Smith has decent speed for a linebacker. Unfortunately, he's not a linebacker.

Just like Garrett McIntyre has good speed for a nose tackle. Unfortunately, there's no position for this turd.[/QUOTE]

True. Eric Smith is useless as a safety in todays NFL. Very limited in what he can do. Now that you are not allowed to hit receivers, he really has zero value.

jetfan29 · 12-28-2011, 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=jetsonly;4296265]Unfair my a**. Thier WR made a great football move. This is the NFL, that happends.
Smith took a god awful angle on that play. It's absolutly fair to blame him.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]He ALWAYS seems to take a god awful angle.[/COLOR]

Jordy · 12-28-2011, 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=sec.101row23;4297055]True. Eric Smith is useless as a safety in todays NFL. Very limited in what he can do. [B]Now that you are not allowed to hit receivers, he really has zero value[/B].[/QUOTE]
Excellent point.

jpoppy7 · 12-28-2011, 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;4297044]Watch from 0.15 to 0.18 on that clip, preferrably by stopping and starting. It is virtually amazing how slow Smith is compared to Cruz, it's like watching those super imposed versions of Rich Eisen vs Chris Johnson in the 40 yard dash. Smith can't run any more than a 4.8 these days I'd wager.[/QUOTE]

Agree, I'd say its more a lack of speed than a bad angle by Smith. Not sure if there was any angle that Smith could have taken and caught Cruz, with the difference in their speed.

IRONFAN 40 · 12-28-2011, 02:20 PM

[QUOTE=nuu faaola;4297049]Eric Smith is an outstanding run defender and a good special teamer. He's terrible in coverage.

He'd be a good backup, and hopefully that's what he will be next year.[/QUOTE]

Outstanding run defender. Really?? I mean really? Most safeties that are considered great in run support make plays on the outside and behind the LOS.

nuu faaola · 12-28-2011, 03:38 PM

[QUOTE=IRONFAN 40;4297091]Outstanding run defender. Really?? I mean really? Most safeties that are considered great in run support make plays on the outside and behind the LOS.[/QUOTE]

Yes, he is generally very good against the run and in the box generally. His issues come when he has to play in space or gets matched with athletic TEs (obviously).

He was a valuable role player for us the past two seasons, and could be again. He's been a disaster as an every-down guy.

Nick Blitz · 12-28-2011, 04:27 PM

Its a regulation play for an NFL safety, Smith is just too slow for the position. Think about all the back breaking plays the defense has given up this year, virtually all of them involve Smith being completely exposed in coverage or whiffing on tackles.

Safety has to be a priority on the off-season, this crap Rex talks about having good corners and scheming to cover the TE doesn't work and hasn't worked since he arrived.

Buzzsaw · 12-28-2011, 04:34 PM

That wasn't a coverage issue on that play (Smith sucks at that too), he was simply too slow and also out of position. He really shouldn't even be on the field besides ST's.

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12-28-2011, 12:56 PM	#22
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=jetsonly;4296265]Unfair my a**. Thier WR made a great football move. This is the NFL, that happends. Smith took a god awful angle on that play. It's absolutly fair to blame him.[/QUOTE] my point is that Eric Smith was the 3rd missed tackle on that play. Cro and Kyle Wilson are actually more to blame.

12-28-2011, 01:55 PM	#23
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,066	Watch from 0.15 to 0.18 on that clip, preferrably by stopping and starting. It is virtually amazing how slow Smith is compared to Cruz, it's like watching those super imposed versions of Rich Eisen vs Chris Johnson in the 40 yard dash. Smith can't run any more than a 4.8 these days I'd wager.

12-28-2011, 02:03 PM	#24
nuu faaola All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,253	Eric Smith is an outstanding run defender and a good special teamer. He's terrible in coverage. He'd be a good backup, and hopefully that's what he will be next year.

12-28-2011, 02:05 PM	#25
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=bitonti;4296230][URL]

12-28-2011, 02:08 PM	#26
sec.101row23 All Pro Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mendham, NJ Posts: 7,846	[QUOTE=Jordy;4297050]Smith has decent speed for a linebacker. Unfortunately, he's not a linebacker. Just like Garrett McIntyre has good speed for a nose tackle. Unfortunately, there's no position for this turd.[/QUOTE] True. Eric Smith is useless as a safety in todays NFL. Very limited in what he can do. Now that you are not allowed to hit receivers, he really has zero value.

12-28-2011, 02:10 PM	#27
jetfan29 Marone are we ever gonna win? Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Third Stone From The Sun Posts: 177	[QUOTE=jetsonly;4296265]Unfair my a**. Thier WR made a great football move. This is the NFL, that happends. Smith took a god awful angle on that play. It's absolutly fair to blame him.[/QUOTE] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]He ALWAYS seems to take a god awful angle.[/COLOR]

12-28-2011, 02:14 PM	#28
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=sec.101row23;4297055]True. Eric Smith is useless as a safety in todays NFL. Very limited in what he can do. [B]Now that you are not allowed to hit receivers, he really has zero value[/B].[/QUOTE] Excellent point.

12-28-2011, 02:18 PM	#29
jpoppy7 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,852	[QUOTE=Beerfish;4297044]Watch from 0.15 to 0.18 on that clip, preferrably by stopping and starting. It is virtually amazing how slow Smith is compared to Cruz, it's like watching those super imposed versions of Rich Eisen vs Chris Johnson in the 40 yard dash. Smith can't run any more than a 4.8 these days I'd wager.[/QUOTE] Agree, I'd say its more a lack of speed than a bad angle by Smith. Not sure if there was any angle that Smith could have taken and caught Cruz, with the difference in their speed.

12-28-2011, 02:20 PM	#30
IRONFAN 40 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Section 105 all day ,everyday Posts: 5,963	[QUOTE=nuu faaola;4297049]Eric Smith is an outstanding run defender and a good special teamer. He's terrible in coverage. He'd be a good backup, and hopefully that's what he will be next year.[/QUOTE] Outstanding run defender. Really?? I mean really? Most safeties that are considered great in run support make plays on the outside and behind the LOS.

12-28-2011, 03:38 PM	#31
nuu faaola All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,253	[QUOTE=IRONFAN 40;4297091]Outstanding run defender. Really?? I mean really? Most safeties that are considered great in run support make plays on the outside and behind the LOS.[/QUOTE] Yes, he is generally very good against the run and in the box generally. His issues come when he has to play in space or gets matched with athletic TEs (obviously). He was a valuable role player for us the past two seasons, and could be again. He's been a disaster as an every-down guy.

12-28-2011, 04:27 PM	#32
Nick Blitz Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 1,641	Its a regulation play for an NFL safety, Smith is just too slow for the position. Think about all the back breaking plays the defense has given up this year, virtually all of them involve Smith being completely exposed in coverage or whiffing on tackles. Safety has to be a priority on the off-season, this crap Rex talks about having good corners and scheming to cover the TE doesn't work and hasn't worked since he arrived.

12-28-2011, 04:34 PM	#33
Buzzsaw Jets Insider VIP Board Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26,298	That wasn't a coverage issue on that play (Smith sucks at that too), he was simply too slow and also out of position. He really shouldn't even be on the field besides ST's.