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Ruby2 · 02-02-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Gholston was a combine jumper. He was a freak of nature in the combine and he jumped. Before that, the knock on him was that he took plays off and people questioned his football desire.

As Batman showed us, many sites had him top 10 before the combine. No doubt the combine solidified that, but this notion that he was a bottom third first round pick or even 2nd round pick before the combine is simply not true.

Rob0729 · 02-02-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

I dont know if anybody wanted to trade up to that spot.

Also about the safe pick, it was probably because we had David Harris that we didn't draft Mayo. We felt pretty secure at ILB. We needed a pass rusher and Gholston had the most upside as a pass rusher.

Well, the Saints did trade for the pick after the Jets. So it does stand to reason, that they would have considered an offer to move to the Jets' spot.

With the Jets being in a 3-4, Harris would only secure one position. The Jets were forced to go with converted DE, David Bowens, as the starter next to Harris. He was ok at best. The next year the Jets paid a hefty sum to Bart Scott to be the ILB next to Harris. I agree OLB was a need, but so was ILB.

suprjet · 02-02-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

All of the "elite" pass rushers were gone. I don't count Brooks Reid as elite.

I still think other positions trump the 5-technique DE in Rd 1 (i.e. WR, OL, S).

Eckesg1 · 02-02-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by suprjet

I still think other positions trump the 5-technique DE in Rd 1 (i.e. WR, OL, S).

Looking at the draft selections, there was no real safety prospect after that. Maybe Sherrod at OT, especially what happened with Hunter, but other than that...

eaglenj · 02-02-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by suprjet

I still think other positions trump the 5-technique DE in Rd 1 (i.e. WR, OL, S).

What if that 5 technique has a career like Richard Seymour?

Wilkerson was 6'4 315 coming out of a relatively small school. No reason to think he can't eventually play at an athletic 325 which is a huge asset to any defense. He has quickness and the ability to play inside and out, which gives us the flexibility to line up someone like maybin (small) next to him.

I can see him having 6-8 sacks a year, and being exceptionally strong against the run for us, which is exceptional production from the 30th pick.

Dreamers · 02-02-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fivewide

Nicely done.

Haven't watched that YouTube video in awhile. The crazy loud "we want Sapp chants" followed by the Jets select Tight end from Penn State Kyle Brady is surreal.

that part always makes me cry.

DDNYjets · 02-02-2012, 07:38 PM

Why do Jet fans need everybody's approval of their players? Who cares what Kiper says.

Truth is Wilk was bad the first half of the season and really began to play well in the second half as he learned and got more experience. He did a lot of dirty work and did not rack up stats.

Wilk will be fine.

Dreamers · 02-02-2012, 07:45 PM

I'm more shocked that people even still bother reading Kipers thoughts.

TheMo · 02-02-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Gholston was a combine jumper. He was a freak of nature in the combine and he jumped. Before that, the knock on him was that he took plays off and people questioned his football desire.

That is simply wrong, and hindsight. Gholston was in the top 10 of the draft well before the combine. He put up great numbers at OSU and played that leo position. It was considered a no brainer pick with McFadden and Ryan off the board.

FijiJet · 02-02-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PMarsico9

Listening to Kiper about anything lowers your IQ.

The guy gets paid to speculate about something he has no idea about and is nearly always wrong.

Never liked Kiper. Occassionally he has some noteworthy insights, most of the time though when he has the spotlight he and his hair go into beast mode

Astoria · 02-02-2012, 11:50 PM

It's absolutely unbelievable he would have guys like Sam Nacho, A.J Wright, and Alex f___cking Henerey as honorable mentions without mentioning Big Wilk.

Shows his years at ESPN have warped his football brain to include only players at "impact positions". What a farce. And yet he still includes Phil Taylor probably by virtue of the one lucky interception and "highlight" return he had.

I don't think I can ever take Kiper seriously anymore. I might be a huge Jets homer but anyone objectively who knows football would put a rookie who started every game and put up decent-to-good numbers as one of the top 30 rookies. Can't even feel like this is a "snub", this is more of an embarassment by Mellie.

Tucsonpaint · 02-02-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

All of the "elite" pass rushers were gone. I don't count Brooks Reid as elite.

Glad you know all about Brooks and whereof you speak. His name is spelled "Reed".

C Mart · 02-02-2012, 11:57 PM

Oh great look who's back.

John_0515 · 02-03-2012, 12:06 AM

Mel Kiper Jr. clearly didn't even look at the Jets' roster when making this top 20.

Not putting Wilkerson on this list just means you don't take anything he says as seriously as you used to.

MTJets · 02-03-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Mel Kiper Jr. clearly didn't even look at the Jets' roster when making this top 20.

Not putting Wilkerson on this list just means you don't take anything he says as seriously as you used to.

...which means I take it as a complete joke.

Woody56 · 02-03-2012, 12:28 AM

He was 3rd in the NFL in TFL'S, pretty impressive stat. In comparison, Justin Smith, probably the best 3-4 DE in the NFL had 2, Wilkerson 9.

John_0515 · 02-03-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Woody56

He was 3rd in the NFL in TFL'S, pretty impressive stat. In comparison, Justin Smith, probably the best 3-4 DE in the NFL had 2, Wilkerson 9.

No, that doesn't matter. I'm sure that....Alex......Henery.....had a great year compared to what Wilkerson did.

Baddniss · 02-03-2012, 12:48 AM

all of the Top 10 players on Kipers rookie list ARE monsters and Wilk does not belong in that group.

John_0515 · 02-03-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Baddniss

all of the Top 10 players on Kipers rookie list ARE monsters and Wilk does not belong in that group.

Come on, dude. We're talking top 20, and then he doesn't even mention him on in the honorable mention portion. Wilkerson had a better rookie season than a lot of those players.

Maury77 · 02-03-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

I don't consider either Gholston or Sanchez blunders because they both were in very weak drafts for their respective positions. Especially Gholston. That 2007 draft was very weak in the first round after Matt Ryan. A total of 7 pro-bowlers in 3 years service whereas in 2009 there are 6 pro-bowlers in 2 years service.

Plus a lot of people wanted us to go with Gholston, so it wasn't a typical Kyle Brady blunder.

As for Mark Sanchez, I can't see any reasonable alternative that would have gotten us better. Maybe if we picked up Jay Cutler, but he would have been risky in this media market.

Ducasse I will give you though.

I can't quote Magnus because he is on my ignore list, but seriously, he needs to acquire a new hobby. It seems his M.O. is to knock Sanchez or find anti Sanchez stuff and post it on this board. This thread was about Wilkerson and he brings up Sanchez again.

Memo to you Magnus. WE ALL KNOW YOU DON"T LIKE SANCHEZ. The ones that agree with you do not need to be reminded. The ones that don't agree with you don't care about what you post on the subject because your arguments are not very compelling. Get over it already and move on.

02-02-2012, 07:38 PM	#47
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,297	Why do Jet fans need everybody's approval of their players? Who cares what Kiper says. Truth is Wilk was bad the first half of the season and really began to play well in the second half as he learned and got more experience. He did a lot of dirty work and did not rack up stats. Wilk will be fine.

02-02-2012, 07:45 PM	#48
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,396	I'm more shocked that people even still bother reading Kipers thoughts.

02-02-2012, 11:50 PM	#51
Astoria Bababa basketball, gimme gimme gimme the ball because I'm gonna dunk it Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,750	It's absolutely unbelievable he would have guys like Sam Nacho, A.J Wright, and Alex f___cking Henerey as honorable mentions without mentioning Big Wilk. Shows his years at ESPN have warped his football brain to include only players at "impact positions". What a farce. And yet he still includes Phil Taylor probably by virtue of the one lucky interception and "highlight" return he had. I don't think I can ever take Kiper seriously anymore. I might be a huge Jets homer but anyone objectively who knows football would put a rookie who started every game and put up decent-to-good numbers as one of the top 30 rookies. Can't even feel like this is a "snub", this is more of an embarassment by Mellie.

02-02-2012, 11:57 PM	#53
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	Oh great look who's back.

02-03-2012, 12:06 AM	#54
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	Mel Kiper Jr. clearly didn't even look at the Jets' roster when making this top 20. Not putting Wilkerson on this list just means you don't take anything he says as seriously as you used to.

02-03-2012, 12:28 AM	#56
Woody56 Purifying myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,068	He was 3rd in the NFL in TFL'S, pretty impressive stat. In comparison, Justin Smith, probably the best 3-4 DE in the NFL had 2, Wilkerson 9.

02-03-2012, 12:48 AM	#58
Baddniss Hall of Fame...First Ballot Inductee...Canton,Ohio...2009 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,492	all of the Top 10 players on Kipers rookie list ARE monsters and Wilk does not belong in that group.