Israel – Iran Military Comparison Juan Cole - Jets Insider.com Forums

Jetdawgg · 03-01-2012, 06:15 PM

[QUOTE]With all the hooplah about a possible Israeli attack on Iran (which I view as rather unlikely), it is worthwhile revisiting the issue of how weak and how much of a nothing the Iranian military is compared to powerhouse Israel. Statistics mostly 2011 from Global Firepower. Note that some comparisons are invidious, as with Israeli reservists, who are quite professional and Iranian reservists, who typically are not.

Or, comparing Israeli fighter jets and other aircraft to old broken down Iranian ones is silly. If Israel’s and Iran’s air forces were close enough to tangle (they are not), Iran’s wouldn’t last a day.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/israel-iran-military-comparison.html[/url]

Winstonbiggs · 03-02-2012, 07:44 AM

Cool, lets give Iran Nuclear weapons to put on their medium range rockets to even the playing field because it's clear Iran has a responsible government that should be safe from Israeli agression.:rolleyes:

More Iran love from the former Marine.

doggin94it · 03-02-2012, 08:25 AM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381325][URL]http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/israel-iran-military-comparison.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Hmm . . .and yet, Iran, with the weak military, is the one subsidizing attacks on Israel (by funding, trading and arming Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah) and threatening to wipe Israel off the map.

Given that, it would probably be a good thing if Iran got nukes. That way, things would be more peaceful . . .:chimp:

quantum · 03-02-2012, 08:40 AM

So it'll be over before it starts, and then we can hit Hamas? yee-****in-haw! :banana:

Apache 51 · 03-02-2012, 09:45 AM

This is why we kill em all.

Jetdawgg · 03-02-2012, 11:26 AM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4381555]Cool, lets give Iran Nuclear weapons to put on their medium range rockets to even the playing field because it's clear Iran has a responsible government that should be safe from Israeli agression.:rolleyes:

More Iran love from the former Marine.[/QUOTE]

This looks more like fact than love. The only nation I love is America.

Jetdawgg · 03-02-2012, 11:35 AM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4381575]Hmm . . .and yet, Iran, with the weak military, is the one subsidizing attacks on Israel (by funding, trading and arming Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah) and threatening to wipe Israel off the map.

Given that, it would probably be a good thing if Iran got nukes. That way, things would be more peaceful . . .:chimp:[/QUOTE]

In any attack on Iran by the US/NATO/Israel I think that the terror threat would increase exponentially. It is clear to me here that Iran cannot stand up to a head-to-head confrontation.

With this being public knowledge about the Iranian [I]war machine[/I] why not just use sanctions like we are now doing? Many people not involved in the war efforts will be put at risk or worse by any attack on Iran

Winstonbiggs · 03-02-2012, 11:41 AM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381819]In any attack on Iran by the US/NATO/Israel I think that the terror threat would increase exponentially. It is clear to me here that Iran cannot stand up to a head-to-head confrontation.

With this being public knowledge about the Iranian [I]war machine[/I] why not just use sanctions like we are now doing? Many people not involved in the war efforts will be put at risk or worse by any attack on Iran[/QUOTE]

Carter tried sanctions to get our hostages out. Didn't work and in fact we ultimately paid Iran for our hostages. If sanctions work great if they don't we may need to take another path. Regardless Iran will continue to fund terrorism, without a terror network both domestically and internationally they would be out of power by now.

Jetdawgg · 03-02-2012, 01:19 PM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4381833]Carter tried sanctions to get our hostages out. Didn't work and in fact we ultimately paid Iran for our hostages. If sanctions work great if they don't we may need to take another path. Regardless Iran will continue to fund terrorism, without a terror network both domestically and internationally they would be out of power by now.[/QUOTE]

Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?

chiefst2000 · 03-02-2012, 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE]

It's all America's fault right. Maybe it's because America is an ally of Israel. Yeah that's the ticket. If we just abandon Israel all will be forgiven right? Right? Oh and also we should just allow them to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula too right? We have no business there anyway.

OCCH · 03-02-2012, 01:39 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE]

So there are actually reasons that VALIDATE terror?:huh:

kennyo7 · 03-02-2012, 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4381977]It's all America's fault right. Maybe it's because America is an ally of Israel. Yeah that's the ticket. If we just abandon Israel all will be forgiven right? Right? Oh and also we should just allow them to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula too right? We have no business there anyway.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the US should not have orchestrated the overthrow of the popular and democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh and forced a puppet leader who was brutal to his people down the Iranian people's throat? Our support of the Shah was not in Iran's best interest.

I dont think we have much credibility in Iran after such actions.

chiefst2000 · 03-02-2012, 02:46 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;4382038]Maybe the US should not have orchestrated the overthrow of the popular and democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh and forced a puppet leader who was brutal to his people down the Iranian people's throat? Our support of the Shah was not in Iran's best interest.

I dont think we have much credibility in Iran after such actions.[/QUOTE]

Yup thats probably right. So now we should just let them get nukes and take over the middle east. We deserve it for supporting the Shah I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.

cr726 · 03-02-2012, 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4382082]Yup thats probably right. So now we should just let them get nukes and take over the middle east. We deserve it for supporting the Shah I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]

If we go to war with Iran, there be a draft, Americans need to own the wars and not just sit there and cheer.

kennyo7 · 03-02-2012, 03:38 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4382082]Yup thats probably right. So now we should just let them get nukes and take over the middle east. We deserve it for supporting the Shah I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]

Where did I say that we should let them take over the Mid East?
Granted, dingbats like you supported strengthening Iran by removing Saddam Hussein, the biggest buffer between Iran and the rest of Mid East.

You see, my young friend, our actions today in the Mid East will have lasting consequences for us for decades to come. So while i am for sanctions against Iran and for a strong united front against them with Europe, I do not feel military action against Iran is wise or in our interest in the long run.

DeanPatsFan · 03-02-2012, 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;4382038]Maybe the US should not have orchestrated the overthrow of the popular and democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh and forced a puppet leader who was brutal to his people down the Iranian people's throat? Our support of the Shah was not in Iran's best interest.

[/QUOTE]

You might want to take that up with the Eisenhower Administration....

PlumberKhan · 03-02-2012, 04:06 PM

Awwwwww...isn't that cute? Big Iran wants to have it's "My Little First A-Bomb"?

Give the rest of the world a call when you've moved past the M-80 stage of nuclear weapons:

[url]

PlumberKhan · 03-02-2012, 04:06 PM

[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4382144]You might want to take that up with the Eisenhower Administration....[/QUOTE]

At least you finally managed to acknowledge it. That;s the first step, Dean-O :P

Winstonbiggs · 03-02-2012, 09:27 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE]

Fear is the ultimate weapon of any tyrant.

sunmou · 03-02-2012, 10:47 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE]

Should be easy to find, because some posters believe the American press
is Anti-semtic and pro-islam.

03-01-2012, 06:15 PM	#1
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,718	Israel – Iran Military Comparison Juan Cole [QUOTE]With all the hooplah about a possible Israeli attack on Iran (which I view as rather unlikely), it is worthwhile revisiting the issue of how weak and how much of a nothing the Iranian military is compared to powerhouse Israel. Statistics mostly 2011 from Global Firepower. Note that some comparisons are invidious, as with Israeli reservists, who are quite professional and Iranian reservists, who typically are not. Or, comparing Israeli fighter jets and other aircraft to old broken down Iranian ones is silly. If Israel’s and Iran’s air forces were close enough to tangle (they are not), Iran’s wouldn’t last a day.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/israel-iran-military-comparison.html[/url]

03-02-2012, 09:27 PM	#19
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,105	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE] Fear is the ultimate weapon of any tyrant. Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 03-02-2012 at 09:30 PM.

03-02-2012, 07:44 AM	#2
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,105	Cool, lets give Iran Nuclear weapons to put on their medium range rockets to even the playing field because it's clear Iran has a responsible government that should be safe from Israeli agression.:rolleyes: More Iran love from the former Marine.

03-02-2012, 08:25 AM	#3
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,523	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381325][URL]http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/israel-iran-military-comparison.html[/URL][/QUOTE] Hmm . . .and yet, Iran, with the weak military, is the one subsidizing attacks on Israel (by funding, trading and arming Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah) and threatening to wipe Israel off the map. Given that, it would probably be a good thing if Iran got nukes. That way, things would be more peaceful . . .:chimp:

03-02-2012, 08:40 AM	#4
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 18,031	So it'll be over before it starts, and then we can hit Hamas? yee-****in-haw! :banana:

03-02-2012, 09:45 AM	#5
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,826	This is why we kill em all.

03-02-2012, 11:26 AM	#6
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,718	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4381555]Cool, lets give Iran Nuclear weapons to put on their medium range rockets to even the playing field because it's clear Iran has a responsible government that should be safe from Israeli agression.:rolleyes: More Iran love from the former Marine.[/QUOTE] This looks more like fact than love. The only nation I love is America.

03-02-2012, 11:35 AM	#7
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,718	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4381575]Hmm . . .and yet, Iran, with the weak military, is the one subsidizing attacks on Israel (by funding, trading and arming Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah) and threatening to wipe Israel off the map. Given that, it would probably be a good thing if Iran got nukes. That way, things would be more peaceful . . .:chimp:[/QUOTE] In any attack on Iran by the US/NATO/Israel I think that the terror threat would increase exponentially. It is clear to me here that Iran cannot stand up to a head-to-head confrontation. With this being public knowledge about the Iranian [I]war machine[/I] why not just use sanctions like we are now doing? Many people not involved in the war efforts will be put at risk or worse by any attack on Iran

03-02-2012, 11:41 AM	#8
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,105	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381819]In any attack on Iran by the US/NATO/Israel I think that the terror threat would increase exponentially. It is clear to me here that Iran cannot stand up to a head-to-head confrontation. With this being public knowledge about the Iranian [I]war machine[/I] why not just use sanctions like we are now doing? Many people not involved in the war efforts will be put at risk or worse by any attack on Iran[/QUOTE] Carter tried sanctions to get our hostages out. Didn't work and in fact we ultimately paid Iran for our hostages. If sanctions work great if they don't we may need to take another path. Regardless Iran will continue to fund terrorism, without a terror network both domestically and internationally they would be out of power by now.

03-02-2012, 01:19 PM	#9
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,718	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4381833]Carter tried sanctions to get our hostages out. Didn't work and in fact we ultimately paid Iran for our hostages. If sanctions work great if they don't we may need to take another path. Regardless Iran will continue to fund terrorism, without a terror network both domestically and internationally they would be out of power by now.[/QUOTE] Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?

03-02-2012, 01:23 PM	#10
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,891	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE] It's all America's fault right. Maybe it's because America is an ally of Israel. Yeah that's the ticket. If we just abandon Israel all will be forgiven right? Right? Oh and also we should just allow them to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula too right? We have no business there anyway.

03-02-2012, 01:39 PM	#11
OCCH glad I have more purpose in life than Jets football . . . Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,422	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE] So there are actually reasons that VALIDATE terror?:huh:

03-02-2012, 02:18 PM	#12
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,417	[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4381977]It's all America's fault right. Maybe it's because America is an ally of Israel. Yeah that's the ticket. If we just abandon Israel all will be forgiven right? Right? Oh and also we should just allow them to take over the entire Arabian Peninsula too right? We have no business there anyway.[/QUOTE] Maybe the US should not have orchestrated the overthrow of the popular and democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh and forced a puppet leader who was brutal to his people down the Iranian people's throat? Our support of the Shah was not in Iran's best interest. I dont think we have much credibility in Iran after such actions.

03-02-2012, 02:46 PM	#13
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,891	[QUOTE=kennyo7;4382038]Maybe the US should not have orchestrated the overthrow of the popular and democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh and forced a puppet leader who was brutal to his people down the Iranian people's throat? Our support of the Shah was not in Iran's best interest. I dont think we have much credibility in Iran after such actions.[/QUOTE] Yup thats probably right. So now we should just let them get nukes and take over the middle east. We deserve it for supporting the Shah I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.

03-02-2012, 02:54 PM	#14
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,537	[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4382082]Yup thats probably right. So now we should just let them get nukes and take over the middle east. We deserve it for supporting the Shah I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE] If we go to war with Iran, there be a draft, Americans need to own the wars and not just sit there and cheer.

03-02-2012, 03:38 PM	#15
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,417	[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4382082]Yup thats probably right. So now we should just let them get nukes and take over the middle east. We deserve it for supporting the Shah I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE] Where did I say that we should let them take over the Mid East? Granted, dingbats like you supported strengthening Iran by removing Saddam Hussein, the biggest buffer between Iran and the rest of Mid East. You see, my young friend, our actions today in the Mid East will have lasting consequences for us for decades to come. So while i am for sanctions against Iran and for a strong united front against them with Europe, I do not feel military action against Iran is wise or in our interest in the long run.

03-02-2012, 03:53 PM	#16
DeanPatsFan Lib Free Or Die..... All Pro Annoying Chowd Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=kennyo7;4382038]Maybe the US should not have orchestrated the overthrow of the popular and democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh and forced a puppet leader who was brutal to his people down the Iranian people's throat? Our support of the Shah was not in Iran's best interest. [/QUOTE] You might want to take that up with the Eisenhower Administration....

03-02-2012, 04:06 PM	#17
PlumberKhan HAIL SATAN! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,081	Awwwwww...isn't that cute? Big Iran wants to have it's "My Little First A-Bomb"? Give the rest of the world a call when you've moved past the M-80 stage of nuclear weapons: [url]

03-02-2012, 10:47 PM	#20
sunmou Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 549	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4381969]Ever look at the reasons WHY they fund terror?[/QUOTE] Should be easy to find, because some posters believe the American press is Anti-semtic and pro-islam.