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doggin94it · 03-05-2012, 05:00 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4384888]Timeline of United States military operations
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/URL]

Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present)
[URL]http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html[/URL]

Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle.

If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism[/url]

With peaceful neighbors like these, who needs enemies?

doggin94it · 03-05-2012, 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4384888]Timeline of United States military operations
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/URL]

Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present)
[URL]http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html[/URL]

Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle.

If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.[/QUOTE]

As for your links:

1948 - started by the Arab states

[QUOTE][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][B]Israeli War of Independence/ "al-Nakba" (The Disaster)[/B] (1948-1949)--Upon independence, [U][B]Israel was invaded by the armies of six Arab nations[/B][/U]: Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. In addition, local Arab Palestinian forces also fought the Jewish Israelis.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]1967: Egypt commits an act of war before Israel fires a shot

1972:

[QUOTE][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][U][B]In a surprise attack launched on the Jewish Yom Kippur holiday ([/B][/U]the dates also fell on the Muslim Ramadan holiday),[U][B] Egypt and Syria attacked Israel.[/B][/U] Despite aid from Iraq, the Arab forces failed to defeat Israel.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]1982: Israel goes into Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from the PLO's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

1991: Israel sits out the Gulf War and is nevertheless attacked by Iraq

2006: Israel invades Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from Hezbollah's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

2008: Israel invades Gaza after repeated cross border attacks from Hamas (the elected government in Gaza).

Yep, damn those Israeli aggressors. It all started when the Israelis hit back.

chiefst2000 · 03-05-2012, 05:09 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4384888]Timeline of United States military operations
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/url]

Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present)
[url]http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html[/url]

Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle.

If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.[/QUOTE]

Not sure what any of this has to do with your [B]"Furthermore, Iran has been for the last 100 years a peaceful neighbor."[/B]

Iran was controlled by the Shah through 1979. The Shah was friendly to both the USA and Israel. Since the takeover by the Ayatollas they have funded a proxy war against Israel through their surrogate Hezbollah. They continue to fund and are the Hamas terrorists in the south as well. They have orchestrated attacks against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as taking hundreds of Americans hostage. You consider that a peaceful neighbor? Then you post a list of wars that took place prior to 1979 as your evidence? Are you serious? There are people here that understand these issues. If you want to speak on a topic with some seriousness you should research the topic before you speak.

long island leprechaun · 03-05-2012, 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=quantum;4384655]From what I've read, it was introduced into that network by someone friendly to the West and/or Israel. I'd be willing to bet that the AV signature was released as soon as the Iranians discovered it. I wouldn't worry about it destroying the Innernetz...[/QUOTE]

Per the people at Homeland Security, they're very worried indeed. The recipe for how to target our own infrastructure has been laid out for our enemies to exploit. Don't be surprised if some major dam shuts down or an electrical grid... there was real concern that once this methodology was out there it would be a boomerang.

Jetdawgg · 03-05-2012, 07:38 PM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4384894][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism[/url]

With peaceful neighbors like these, who needs enemies?[/QUOTE]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." JFK 1962.

Once again your truth is only partially correct. Iran took back their democratically elected gov't that was overthrown in 1953. 22 years of the brutal Shah regime was enough for the Iranians.

More reason why the USA does not need 'entangling alliances' as Jefferson stated.

Furthermore, Israel is not a 'peaceful' neighbor as my previously posted link informed some here.

Jetdawgg · 03-05-2012, 07:47 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4384911]Not sure what any of this has to do with your [B]"Furthermore, Iran has been for the last 100 years a peaceful neighbor."[/B]

Iran was controlled by the Shah through 1979. The Shah was friendly to both the USA and Israel. Since the takeover by the Ayatollas they have funded a proxy war against Israel through their surrogate Hezbollah. They continue to fund and are the Hamas terrorists in the south as well. They have orchestrated attacks against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as taking hundreds of Americans hostage. You consider that a peaceful neighbor? Then you post a list of wars that took place prior to 1979 as your evidence? Are you serious? There are people here that understand these issues. If you want to speak on a topic with some seriousness you should research the topic before you speak.[/QUOTE]

The Shah was nothing more than a puppet for the USA. His regime was brutal to the Iranian people:

[url]http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/savak.html[/url]

If you understood the seriousness of the situation you would gather all of the facts and then post something that people here could learn from. I really don't care what or where the nation is, the USA should not be taking US tax payer dollars and support dictators that the victimized nation(s) do not like.

Too much downside in that equation.

As for my seriousness, I spent 6 yeas as a US Marine. I have a degree in engineering and I run my own business. That is a boat load of 'seriousness' right there imo for starters.

Jetdawgg · 03-05-2012, 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4384906]As for your links:

1948 - started by the Arab states

1967: Egypt commits an act of war before Israel fires a shot

1972:

1982: Israel goes into Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from the PLO's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

1991: Israel sits out the Gulf War and is nevertheless attacked by Iraq

2006: Israel invades Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from Hezbollah's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

2008: Israel invades Gaza after repeated cross border attacks from Hamas (the elected government in Gaza).

Yep, damn those Israeli aggressors. It all started when the Israelis hit back.[/QUOTE]

You omitted this part:

[IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG]

I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.

Jetdawgg · 03-05-2012, 07:53 PM

[QUOTE=Trades;4384414]I think this is the image you are looking for...

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/JimmyCarterPortrait2.jpg/220px-JimmyCarterPortrait2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Another proud veteran:

Lieutenant James Earle Carter, Jr., USN
[url]http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm[/url]

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 03-05-2012, 08:28 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385019]You omitted this part:

[IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG]

I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.[/QUOTE]

How did Palestine lose land that it didn't own?

Jetdawgg · 03-05-2012, 09:46 PM

[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4385040]How did Palestine lose land that it didn't own?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/url]

Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 03-05-2012, 10:01 PM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385084][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/url]

Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?[/QUOTE]

Nvm. Not even worth it...

sunmou · 03-05-2012, 10:43 PM

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis[/url]

listing any conflict between Israel and Lebanon without taking into account
the uncountable violations, such as Israeli jets flying all over there air space
is rather disingenuous. much like reporting of violence by militants is often
mentioned with the laughable phrase "after a lull in the violence". As if no
violence against by the colonial power the day before, the week before, and
the month before does not count. On both sides there are those who want
peace and those who have zero interest in peace. The problem is the
people in the drivers seat on both sides.

chiefst2000 · 03-06-2012, 09:42 AM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385019]You omitted this part:

[IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG]

I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.[/QUOTE]

I didn't realize those dirty jews stole the land from the state of Palestine. Their president should be ashamed he let it happen. Wait, who was the President of the State of Palestine in 1946? I wiki'd it but the Country of Palestine doesn't show up.

In all seriousness thank you for your unbiased information from some fabricated jpg from an anti-semitic website called zionism explained. Do you have any information on why the Germans gassed 6 million jews in the Holocaust? Maybe you can go to the Nazi Party website and get us some information. I heard those jews were plotting something so thats why they had to burn. You agree?

doggin94it · 03-06-2012, 10:37 AM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385019]You omitted this part:

[IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG]

I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.[/QUOTE]

LOL again. Palestinians chose war - and lost. Repeatedly. There are consequences to that.

Winstonbiggs · 03-06-2012, 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385084][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/url]

Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?[/QUOTE]

If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?

doggin94it · 03-06-2012, 10:49 AM

[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385084][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/URL]

Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?[/QUOTE]

Says the guy taking information from sites that blame Israel for 9/11 :rolleyes:

Note: your wikipedia link doesn't refer to anything as "Palestinian Land" . . . you may want to read your sources a bit more closely next time :D

doggin94it · 03-06-2012, 10:52 AM

[QUOTE=sunmou;4385138][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis[/URL]

listing any conflict between Israel and Lebanon without taking into account
the uncountable violations, such as Israeli jets flying all over there air space
is rather disingenuous. much like reporting of violence by militants is often
mentioned with the laughable phrase "after a lull in the violence". As if no
violence against by the colonial power the day before, the week before, and
the month before does not count. On both sides there are those who want
peace and those who have zero interest in peace. The problem is the
people in the drivers seat on both sides.[/QUOTE]

Israeli jets were overflying Lebanon when the PLO was lobbing bombs in 82? Overflying Egypt when Nasser ordered Od Bull to pull the Peacekeepers out of the Sinai in 67? Overflying Syria and Egypt in 1972?

Lebanon, today, has a terrorist organization armed with rockets and missiles sitting in its southern territory. The day Lebanon exercises its sovereignty over south Lebanon by enforcing a monopoly on the use of force is the day Israeli jets can stop overflying the south.

PlumberKhan · 03-06-2012, 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4385410]If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?[/QUOTE]

Only because GMC bought the land first...for his new summer home :P

doggin94it · 03-06-2012, 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4385410]If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?[/QUOTE]

YES!

sunmou · 03-06-2012, 11:09 PM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4385422]Israeli jets were overflying Lebanon when the PLO was lobbing bombs in 82? Overflying Egypt when Nasser ordered Od Bull to pull the Peacekeepers out of the Sinai in 67? Overflying Syria and Egypt in 1972?

Lebanon, today, has a terrorist organization armed with rockets and missiles sitting in its southern territory. The day Lebanon exercises its sovereignty over south Lebanon by enforcing a monopoly on the use of force is the day Israeli jets can stop overflying the south.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, Israel was not violating Lebanon weekly in 82. I should have been more clear but i posted while stoned, which explains why i would even get into such a misfit argument. I just fail to understand why the United States should attack Iran because some Israeli's (not all) are claiming Iran is making an nuke. I guess war is the health of the state, pax americana.

03-05-2012, 05:00 PM	#41
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,395	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4384888]Timeline of United States military operations [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/URL] Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present) [URL]http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html[/URL] Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle. If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism[/url] With peaceful neighbors like these, who needs enemies?

03-05-2012, 05:08 PM	#42
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,395	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4384888]Timeline of United States military operations [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/URL] Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present) [URL]http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html[/URL] Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle. If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.[/QUOTE] As for your links: 1948 - started by the Arab states [QUOTE][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][B]Israeli War of Independence/ "al-Nakba" (The Disaster)[/B] (1948-1949)--Upon independence, [U][B]Israel was invaded by the armies of six Arab nations[/B][/U]: Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. In addition, local Arab Palestinian forces also fought the Jewish Israelis.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]1967: Egypt commits an act of war before Israel fires a shot 1972: [QUOTE][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=-1][FONT=Times New Roman][U][B]In a surprise attack launched on the Jewish Yom Kippur holiday ([/B][/U]the dates also fell on the Muslim Ramadan holiday),[U][B] Egypt and Syria attacked Israel.[/B][/U] Despite aid from Iraq, the Arab forces failed to defeat Israel.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]1982: Israel goes into Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from the PLO's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon 1991: Israel sits out the Gulf War and is nevertheless attacked by Iraq 2006: Israel invades Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from Hezbollah's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon 2008: Israel invades Gaza after repeated cross border attacks from Hamas (the elected government in Gaza). Yep, damn those Israeli aggressors. It all started when the Israelis hit back.

03-05-2012, 05:09 PM	#43
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,823	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4384888]Timeline of United States military operations [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations[/url] Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present) [url]http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html[/url] Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle. If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.[/QUOTE] Not sure what any of this has to do with your [B]"Furthermore, Iran has been for the last 100 years a peaceful neighbor."[/B] Iran was controlled by the Shah through 1979. The Shah was friendly to both the USA and Israel. Since the takeover by the Ayatollas they have funded a proxy war against Israel through their surrogate Hezbollah. They continue to fund and are the Hamas terrorists in the south as well. They have orchestrated attacks against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as taking hundreds of Americans hostage. You consider that a peaceful neighbor? Then you post a list of wars that took place prior to 1979 as your evidence? Are you serious? There are people here that understand these issues. If you want to speak on a topic with some seriousness you should research the topic before you speak.

03-05-2012, 05:17 PM	#44
long island leprechaun Don't mess with Angel Eyes. All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: greenwich village, NYC Posts: 7,219	[QUOTE=quantum;4384655]From what I've read, it was introduced into that network by someone friendly to the West and/or Israel. I'd be willing to bet that the AV signature was released as soon as the Iranians discovered it. I wouldn't worry about it destroying the Innernetz...[/QUOTE] Per the people at Homeland Security, they're very worried indeed. The recipe for how to target our own infrastructure has been laid out for our enemies to exploit. Don't be surprised if some major dam shuts down or an electrical grid... there was real concern that once this methodology was out there it would be a boomerang.

03-05-2012, 07:38 PM	#45
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4384894][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism[/url] With peaceful neighbors like these, who needs enemies?[/QUOTE] "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." JFK 1962. Once again your truth is only partially correct. Iran took back their democratically elected gov't that was overthrown in 1953. 22 years of the brutal Shah regime was enough for the Iranians. More reason why the USA does not need 'entangling alliances' as Jefferson stated. Furthermore, Israel is not a 'peaceful' neighbor as my previously posted link informed some here.

03-05-2012, 07:47 PM	#46
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4384911]Not sure what any of this has to do with your [B]"Furthermore, Iran has been for the last 100 years a peaceful neighbor."[/B] Iran was controlled by the Shah through 1979. The Shah was friendly to both the USA and Israel. Since the takeover by the Ayatollas they have funded a proxy war against Israel through their surrogate Hezbollah. They continue to fund and are the Hamas terrorists in the south as well. They have orchestrated attacks against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as taking hundreds of Americans hostage. You consider that a peaceful neighbor? Then you post a list of wars that took place prior to 1979 as your evidence? Are you serious? There are people here that understand these issues. If you want to speak on a topic with some seriousness you should research the topic before you speak.[/QUOTE] The Shah was nothing more than a puppet for the USA. His regime was brutal to the Iranian people: [url]http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/savak.html[/url] If you understood the seriousness of the situation you would gather all of the facts and then post something that people here could learn from. I really don't care what or where the nation is, the USA should not be taking US tax payer dollars and support dictators that the victimized nation(s) do not like. Too much downside in that equation. As for my seriousness, I spent 6 yeas as a US Marine. I have a degree in engineering and I run my own business. That is a boat load of 'seriousness' right there imo for starters.

03-05-2012, 07:51 PM	#47
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4384906]As for your links: 1948 - started by the Arab states 1967: Egypt commits an act of war before Israel fires a shot 1972: 1982: Israel goes into Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from the PLO's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon 1991: Israel sits out the Gulf War and is nevertheless attacked by Iraq 2006: Israel invades Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from Hezbollah's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon 2008: Israel invades Gaza after repeated cross border attacks from Hamas (the elected government in Gaza). Yep, damn those Israeli aggressors. It all started when the Israelis hit back.[/QUOTE] You omitted this part: [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG] I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.

03-05-2012, 07:53 PM	#48
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	[QUOTE=Trades;4384414]I think this is the image you are looking for... [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/JimmyCarterPortrait2.jpg/220px-JimmyCarterPortrait2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Another proud veteran: Lieutenant James Earle Carter, Jr., USN [url]http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm[/url]

03-05-2012, 08:28 PM	#49
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,448	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385019]You omitted this part: [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG] I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.[/QUOTE] How did Palestine lose land that it didn't own?

03-05-2012, 09:46 PM	#50
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4385040]How did Palestine lose land that it didn't own?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/url] Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?

03-05-2012, 10:01 PM	#51
AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite is all out of fuCks to give... All Pro Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7,448	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385084][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/url] Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?[/QUOTE] Nvm. Not even worth it...

03-05-2012, 10:43 PM	#52
sunmou Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 549	[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis[/url] listing any conflict between Israel and Lebanon without taking into account the uncountable violations, such as Israeli jets flying all over there air space is rather disingenuous. much like reporting of violence by militants is often mentioned with the laughable phrase "after a lull in the violence". As if no violence against by the colonial power the day before, the week before, and the month before does not count. On both sides there are those who want peace and those who have zero interest in peace. The problem is the people in the drivers seat on both sides.

03-06-2012, 09:42 AM	#53
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,823	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385019]You omitted this part: [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG] I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize those dirty jews stole the land from the state of Palestine. Their president should be ashamed he let it happen. Wait, who was the President of the State of Palestine in 1946? I wiki'd it but the Country of Palestine doesn't show up. In all seriousness thank you for your unbiased information from some fabricated jpg from an anti-semitic website called zionism explained. Do you have any information on why the Germans gassed 6 million jews in the Holocaust? Maybe you can go to the Nazi Party website and get us some information. I heard those jews were plotting something so thats why they had to burn. You agree?

03-06-2012, 10:37 AM	#54
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,395	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385019]You omitted this part: [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg&sa=X&ei=kV9VT-P4D4Hi0gGb57jADQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHYPEdQPDYcHQNwOzu5rJS5gge2HA[/IMG] I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.[/QUOTE] LOL again. Palestinians chose war - and lost. Repeatedly. There are consequences to that.

03-06-2012, 10:41 AM	#55
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,917	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385084][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/url] Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?[/QUOTE] If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?

03-06-2012, 10:49 AM	#56
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,395	[QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4385084][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine[/URL] Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?[/QUOTE] Says the guy taking information from sites that blame Israel for 9/11 :rolleyes: Note: your wikipedia link doesn't refer to anything as "Palestinian Land" . . . you may want to read your sources a bit more closely next time :D

03-06-2012, 10:52 AM	#57
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,395	[QUOTE=sunmou;4385138][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis[/URL] listing any conflict between Israel and Lebanon without taking into account the uncountable violations, such as Israeli jets flying all over there air space is rather disingenuous. much like reporting of violence by militants is often mentioned with the laughable phrase "after a lull in the violence". As if no violence against by the colonial power the day before, the week before, and the month before does not count. On both sides there are those who want peace and those who have zero interest in peace. The problem is the people in the drivers seat on both sides.[/QUOTE] Israeli jets were overflying Lebanon when the PLO was lobbing bombs in 82? Overflying Egypt when Nasser ordered Od Bull to pull the Peacekeepers out of the Sinai in 67? Overflying Syria and Egypt in 1972? Lebanon, today, has a terrorist organization armed with rockets and missiles sitting in its southern territory. The day Lebanon exercises its sovereignty over south Lebanon by enforcing a monopoly on the use of force is the day Israeli jets can stop overflying the south.

03-06-2012, 10:53 AM	#58
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,013	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4385410]If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?[/QUOTE] Only because GMC bought the land first...for his new summer home :P

03-06-2012, 11:09 PM	#60
sunmou Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 549	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4385422]Israeli jets were overflying Lebanon when the PLO was lobbing bombs in 82? Overflying Egypt when Nasser ordered Od Bull to pull the Peacekeepers out of the Sinai in 67? Overflying Syria and Egypt in 1972? Lebanon, today, has a terrorist organization armed with rockets and missiles sitting in its southern territory. The day Lebanon exercises its sovereignty over south Lebanon by enforcing a monopoly on the use of force is the day Israeli jets can stop overflying the south.[/QUOTE] You are correct, Israel was not violating Lebanon weekly in 82. I should have been more clear but i posted while stoned, which explains why i would even get into such a misfit argument. I just fail to understand why the United States should attack Iran because some Israeli's (not all) are claiming Iran is making an nuke. I guess war is the health of the state, pax americana.