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quantum · 05-18-2012, 12:09 PM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4470992]The last 10 years has proven, with NO DOUBT, that there aren't sub market wages.

Public teachers out earn private teachers by double
Police and Firemen in NY earn on average 100K (google it)
In Quantams workplace, accountants earn between 50 and 125K[/QUOTE]

Most IT people are underpaid, unless you have political connections. Then you are way OVERpaid. :rolleyes:

MnJetFan · 05-18-2012, 01:01 PM

The question who will bail out the states when the crap hits the fan. Unions, States and the Federal Government had better address this or they go the way of California, There are not enough 1% ers to cover this mindfield!

chiefst2000 · 05-18-2012, 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4472061]The question who will bail out the states when the crap hits the fan. Unions, States and the Federal Government had better address this or they go the way of California, There are not enough 1% ers to cover this mindfield![/QUOTE]

Maybe Obama's 4 billion dollar a year Buffet Rule tax will fix all these problems?

southparkcpa · 05-18-2012, 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=quantum;4471990]Most IT people are underpaid, unless you have political connections. Then you are way OVERpaid. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Disagree..when I worked for your group, they still used punch cards. The HEAD of IT made a statement in a meeting that he wanted to stay on punch cards because they had at least 30 punch card operators.

Typical government..GROW the government employee workforce to justify the existence.

PlumberKhan · 05-18-2012, 03:57 PM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4470992]Police and Firemen in NY earn on average 100K (google it)[/QUOTE]

ok:

[url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/Fire-Fighter-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url]

[url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url]

Jungle Shift Jet · 05-18-2012, 04:23 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472237]ok:

[URL]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/Fire-Fighter-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/URL]

[URL]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/URL][/QUOTE]

OK:

[URL]http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/community/ff_salary_benefits_080106.shtml[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview[/URL]

chiefst2000 · 05-18-2012, 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472237]ok:

[url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/Fire-Fighter-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url]

[url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url][/QUOTE]

The Median salaries for NYC was much higher then I thought. Thanks for posting. Now try Long Island, Westchester and Rockland.

PlumberKhan · 05-18-2012, 04:30 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472276]The Median salaries for NYC was much higher then I thought.[/QUOTE]

Which is good.

Do you think Guatemalan day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot would have ran into the WTC towers on 9/11?

Nice to see how one day, these guys were heroes....and now they are the downfall of America. :rolleyes:

brady's a catcher · 05-18-2012, 04:33 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472282]Which is good.

[B]Do you think Guatemalan day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot would have ran into the WTC towers on 9/11?[/B]

Nice to see how one day, these guys were heroes....and now they are the downfall of America. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Depends on how much free crap they were promised. Verified Metro NYC 9/11 first responders have been treated very poorly.

chiefst2000 · 05-18-2012, 04:35 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472282]Which is good.

Do you think Guatemalan day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot would have ran into the WTC towers on 9/11?

Nice to see how one day, these guys were heroes....and now they are the downfall of America. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You have never seen me post anything about the salaries of firefighters or police. I feel that people that put their lives on the line deserve a special place in our system alongside soldiers. It is the salaries of teachers and government beurocrats that bother me.

southparkcpa · 05-18-2012, 06:15 PM

[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472290]You have never seen me post anything about the salaries of firefighters or police. I feel that people that put their lives on the line deserve a special place in our system alongside soldiers. It is the salaries of teachers and government beurocrats that bother me.[/QUOTE]

Agreed...the salary is not the big issue. It is moreover the tremendous pension plan and how those plans work. Cuomo and Bloomberg have both cited these plans as unsustainable.

we have thousands of police and fireman and sanitation workers whose pensions are over 100K tens of thousands whose pensions are over 75K.

these men and women are entitled to retire in comfort no question but to retire at 50 and under with a 75K plus pension puts a strain on the system.

kennyo7 · 05-20-2012, 12:17 PM

[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4470992]The last 10 years has proven, with NO DOUBT, that there aren't sub market wages.

Public teachers out earn private teachers by double
[B]Police and Firemen in NY earn on average 100K (google it)[/B]
In Quantams workplace, accountants earn between 50 and 125K[/QUOTE]

In NY, considering the cost of living here,an income of $100k is not that much.

southparkcpa · 05-20-2012, 02:32 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;4473143]In NY, considering the cost of living here,an income of $100k is not that much.[/QUOTE]

Why is that relevant?

My point was that civil wages are NOT below private wages. In fact, far above in almost every category.

05-18-2012, 12:09 PM	#41
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,884	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4470992]The last 10 years has proven, with NO DOUBT, that there aren't sub market wages. Public teachers out earn private teachers by double Police and Firemen in NY earn on average 100K (google it) In Quantams workplace, accountants earn between 50 and 125K[/QUOTE] Most IT people are underpaid, unless you have political connections. Then you are way OVERpaid. :rolleyes:

05-18-2012, 01:01 PM	#42
MnJetFan All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,302	The question who will bail out the states when the crap hits the fan. Unions, States and the Federal Government had better address this or they go the way of California, There are not enough 1% ers to cover this mindfield!

05-18-2012, 01:06 PM	#43
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,829	[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4472061]The question who will bail out the states when the crap hits the fan. Unions, States and the Federal Government had better address this or they go the way of California, There are not enough 1% ers to cover this mindfield![/QUOTE] Maybe Obama's 4 billion dollar a year Buffet Rule tax will fix all these problems?

05-18-2012, 03:45 PM	#44
southparkcpa I see the 88 to 97 period all over again. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 15,730	[QUOTE=quantum;4471990]Most IT people are underpaid, unless you have political connections. Then you are way OVERpaid. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Disagree..when I worked for your group, they still used punch cards. The HEAD of IT made a statement in a meeting that he wanted to stay on punch cards because they had at least 30 punch card operators. Typical government..GROW the government employee workforce to justify the existence.

05-18-2012, 03:57 PM	#45
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,013	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4470992]Police and Firemen in NY earn on average 100K (google it)[/QUOTE] ok: [url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/Fire-Fighter-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url] [url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url]

05-18-2012, 04:23 PM	#46
Jungle Shift Jet Occasionally stoops to uploading hotties pix to boost his postcount All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alive with a superior intellect in an erudite world of fine tastes that you will never, EVER acquire Posts: 5,038	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472237]ok: [URL]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/Fire-Fighter-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/URL] [URL]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/URL][/QUOTE] OK: [URL]http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/community/ff_salary_benefits_080106.shtml[/URL] [URL]http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview[/URL]

05-18-2012, 04:25 PM	#47
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,829	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472237]ok: [url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/Fire-Fighter-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url] [url]http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-New-York-NY.aspx?hdcbxbonuse=off&isshowpiechart=true&isshowjobchart=false&isshowsalarydetailcharts=false&isshownextsteps=false&isshowcompanyfct=false&isshowaboutyou=false[/url][/QUOTE] The Median salaries for NYC was much higher then I thought. Thanks for posting. Now try Long Island, Westchester and Rockland.

05-18-2012, 04:30 PM	#48
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,013	[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472276]The Median salaries for NYC was much higher then I thought.[/QUOTE] Which is good. Do you think Guatemalan day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot would have ran into the WTC towers on 9/11? Nice to see how one day, these guys were heroes....and now they are the downfall of America. :rolleyes:

05-18-2012, 04:33 PM	#49
brady's a catcher R.I.P Goofy Maloof All Pro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 6,690	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472282]Which is good. [B]Do you think Guatemalan day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot would have ran into the WTC towers on 9/11?[/B] Nice to see how one day, these guys were heroes....and now they are the downfall of America. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Depends on how much free crap they were promised. Verified Metro NYC 9/11 first responders have been treated very poorly.

05-18-2012, 04:35 PM	#50
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,829	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4472282]Which is good. Do you think Guatemalan day laborers from the Home Depot parking lot would have ran into the WTC towers on 9/11? Nice to see how one day, these guys were heroes....and now they are the downfall of America. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] You have never seen me post anything about the salaries of firefighters or police. I feel that people that put their lives on the line deserve a special place in our system alongside soldiers. It is the salaries of teachers and government beurocrats that bother me.

05-18-2012, 06:15 PM	#51
southparkcpa I see the 88 to 97 period all over again. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 15,730	[QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472290]You have never seen me post anything about the salaries of firefighters or police. I feel that people that put their lives on the line deserve a special place in our system alongside soldiers. It is the salaries of teachers and government beurocrats that bother me.[/QUOTE] Agreed...the salary is not the big issue. It is moreover the tremendous pension plan and how those plans work. Cuomo and Bloomberg have both cited these plans as unsustainable. we have thousands of police and fireman and sanitation workers whose pensions are over 100K tens of thousands whose pensions are over 75K. these men and women are entitled to retire in comfort no question but to retire at 50 and under with a 75K plus pension puts a strain on the system.

05-20-2012, 12:17 PM	#52
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=southparkcpa;4470992]The last 10 years has proven, with NO DOUBT, that there aren't sub market wages. Public teachers out earn private teachers by double [B]Police and Firemen in NY earn on average 100K (google it)[/B] In Quantams workplace, accountants earn between 50 and 125K[/QUOTE] In NY, considering the cost of living here,an income of $100k is not that much.

05-20-2012, 02:32 PM	#53
southparkcpa I see the 88 to 97 period all over again. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 15,730	[QUOTE=kennyo7;4473143]In NY, considering the cost of living here,an income of $100k is not that much.[/QUOTE] Why is that relevant? My point was that civil wages are NOT below private wages. In fact, far above in almost every category.