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jetrider · 05-23-2012, 09:38 AM

Cubby blew it with the sappy description that wasn't necessary to begin with.

All Jets fans know what the design is all about.

If they didn't mention Tebow and explain their master plan - every neurotransmitter involved - they wouldn't be under attack by anyone.

Cubby has no chance now, they can't play dumb or say it was unintentional.

The logo clearly is what it is - a slightly altered Jets copyrighted logo.

TurkJetFan · 05-23-2012, 10:09 AM

[QUOTE=Brooklyn Jet;4470928]Maybe Im missing it, but where's the reference to Tebow, #15, etc? He owns the rights to the word Jesus now?

What if a Christian who thinks Tebow is overrated wanted to rock that shirt?[/QUOTE]

this will be the legal argument of the manufacturer...

Jordy · 05-23-2012, 10:49 AM

[QUOTE=gunnails;4474984]===============================================

You are a good guy and all, but, trust me, you have reached troll satus with this whole Tebow and mark thing.[/QUOTE]
It had to be said...again.

ucrenegade · 05-23-2012, 10:57 AM

whatever if liking another QB over another then I guess I am but at least I am not a mindless zombie like these blinded sanchez lovers. :P

Jordy · 05-23-2012, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4475036]Really >? One whole season to sit and watch as the 2nd string QB, or even the third string the first year ?

Just so we have this straight, Sanchez was ordained as the starter when he was drafted. He went into rookie mini camp as the starter. Then into OTAs and TC as the starter, which means getting first team reps and most of the attention from the coaches. First team reps in preseason games, then finally, he started his first 16.

[B]Tebow, on the other hand, came into the league as a 3-4 year project QB[/B]. He didn't get first team reps in OTAs or TC. Then, he rode the bench as a rookie, right up until he was thrown in for 3 games at the end of the season. Oh yeah, let's not forget the coaching change that occurred mid season. Have to be mindful of that.

Then, coming into his second season, there was another coaching change that brought in John Fox and Mike McCoy took over running the offense and the play calling. (Sure, he was "OC" under Josh McDaniels, but Josh ran that offense and called the plays.)

During this second year, OTAs and TC were severely limited due to the lockout. Once they did get started, again, Tebow wasn't getting first team reps, but rather was on another practice field throwing to camp bodies. Even still, he took over as the starter and went 7-4 in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs. And yes, through those games, he amassed BETTER stats than Sanchez did in his first 16 starts, even though Sanchez got all those first team reps in TC.

I'll stand by that any day of the week.[/QUOTE]

So if you look at stats, Tebow had better stats? Okay. And what does that prove? That Tebow is a better QB?

By the way, you're not mentioning the fact that Sanchez came into the NFL with a small sample of big stage experience and was thrust onto the biggest stage and in the biggest and most scrutinized market immediately. 1st team reps are great and all, but nothing prepares you for stepping on the field against the best talent in the world. He may not have had the most impressive stats, but he did QB a team to the ACFCG as a rookie. Yes, he had a lot of help. But that doesn't diminish what he did. How many QB's have done that in the history of the NFL? Do you think Tebow could have done that his first year out of Florida?

Oh, and I've never in my life seen a 1st round pick, QB or otherwise, who was viewed as a 3-4 year project. That's ridiculous. That's taking the Tebow apologist theory to another level.

Jordy · 05-23-2012, 11:04 AM

[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4475327]whatever if liking another QB over another then I guess I am but at least I am not a mindless zombie like these blinded sanchez lovers. :P[/QUOTE]

Your schtick is beyond just liking one player over another.

It's trolling. I think just about everyone on this board would agree.

doggin94it · 05-23-2012, 11:48 AM

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4474878]And reality says that Tebow was a young starter with less than 16 starts under his belt. Again, if you compare his stats to Sanchez's over their first 16 games, Tebow's are better :) [/quote]

Actually, reality says Tebow was a 3 year starter in college and Sanchez played all of 15 college games.

Tebow's completions over his first 15 starts (3 games in 2010, 11 in 2011 and the Pit playoff game): 172 - about 11 per game - out of 363 attempts, for a 47% completion percentage.

Sanchez' completions over his first 15 starts: 198 - about 13 per game - for a 53% completion percentage.

Neither were very good, but Sanchez' numbers were better

[quote]Tommie Frazier NEVER put up the kind of passing stats that Tebow did. In his career as a QB at Nebraska, Frazier put up the following:

250 of 509, for a comp % of 49.1%, 4003 yards, 47 TDs and 18 Int's.

For Tebow:

661 of 985, for a comp % of 67.1, 9,286 yards, 88 TDs and 15 Int's.

[/QUOTE]

Threw the ball about half the time Tebow did, and put up about half the stats. Do you really want the list of prolific college QBs who couldn't make it in the pros?

David Klingler was 732/1268, 57.7%, 9,466 yards, 91TD, 38 INT

Rex Grossman was 677/1110, 61.0%, 9,164, 77/36

Graham Harrell was 1403/2010, [B]69.8[/B]%[B], 15,793[/B], [B]134[/B]/34

Colt Brennan was 1115/1584, [B]70.4%, 14,193, 131/42[/B]

I could go on, but I think the point is pretty obvious. Being a prolific college QB does not necessarily mean you will be a prolific pro-QB

doggin94it · 05-23-2012, 11:55 AM

[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4474949]it is not calling trolling it is called preferring one QB to the other or are we not allowed to do that now?

[B]
Like I said I only bring tebow up in a thread if A people are saying how great mark is and it is everyone else in the worlds fault why he sucked well then i think I have a right to debate that or
[/B]
B if it is a thread on Tebow or asking about the position ie QB,HB,coach,fb,wr, etc etc...........[/QUOTE]

Why are you bringing up Tebow in a thread about Mark Sanchez? Did Tebow impact his play?

ASG0531 · 05-23-2012, 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4475372]Actually, reality says Tebow was a 3 year starter in college and Sanchez played all of 15 college games.

Tebow's completions over his first 15 starts (3 games in 2010, 11 in 2011 and the Pit playoff game): 172 - about 11 per game - out of 363 attempts, for a 47% completion percentage.

Sanchez' completions over his first 15 starts: 198 - about 13 per game - for a 53% completion percentage.

Neither were very good, but Sanchez' numbers were better

Threw the ball about half the time Tebow did, and put up about half the stats. Do you really want the list of prolific college QBs who couldn't make it in the pros?

David Klingler was 732/1268, 57.7%, 9,466 yards, 91TD, 38 INT

Rex Grossman was 677/1110, 61.0%, 9,164, 77/36

Graham Harrell was 1403/2010, [B]69.8[/B]%[B], 15,793[/B], [B]134[/B]/34

Colt Brennan was 1115/1584, [B]70.4%, 14,193, 131/42[/B]

I could go on, but I think the point is pretty obvious. Being a prolific college QB does not necessarily mean you will be a prolific pro-QB[/QUOTE]

Rex Grossman QB'd his team to a Super Bowl appearance. Neither QB on the Jets roster can make that claim.

Jet Nut · 05-23-2012, 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4475381]Why are you bringing up Tebow in a thread about Mark Sanchez? Did Tebow impact his play?[/QUOTE]

He brings up Tebow in every thread.

He, wait, that would make him a troll. Nevermind.:rolleyes:

jetrider · 05-23-2012, 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4475285]this will be the legal argument of the manufacturer...[/QUOTE]

None of that matters. Cubby has no defense.

They clearly pitched their motive and sources in the product's advertisement.

The old myth that you can alter a design by X% and call it original isn't true anymore.

The court uses common sense, and if a design is an obvious ripoff of one that's copyrighted, you lose.

This one isn't just obvious, Cubby stated where it came from.

Limolady · 05-23-2012, 05:08 PM

Ok, now I'm in just because I can't stand to see the NFL bully a couple of cubby fans looking to have some fun while trying to make a few bucks.

There mission statement is stone cold truth and I couldn't agree more that there will be hundreds of knockoff NY Jet & Tebow tees being sold in the parking lots all around Metllife Stadium once the season starts. I just put in an order for My Jesus & Bountygate tee shirts. They carry up to size 4X, so these are going to make great gifts for my favorite NFL linemen.

;)

Demosthenes9 · 05-23-2012, 05:12 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4475333]So if you look at stats, Tebow had better stats? Okay. And what does that prove? That Tebow is a better QB? [/quote]

Actually, what it proves is that Tebow isn't near as bad as many are making him out to be.

[QUOTE]By the way, you're not mentioning the fact that Sanchez came into the NFL with a small sample of big stage experience and was thrust onto the biggest stage and in the biggest and most scrutinized market immediately. 1st team reps are great and all, but nothing prepares you for stepping on the field against the best talent in the world. He may not have had the most impressive stats, but he did QB a team to the ACFCG as a rookie. Yes, he had a lot of help. But that doesn't diminish what he did. How many QB's have done that in the history of the NFL? Do you think Tebow could have done that his first year out of Florida?
[/QUOTE]

See, you've got things kind of screwed up as I think that Mark has done a pretty good job to this point in his career. As to the question about Tebow, with the team that Mark had >? Yeah, I think he very well could have done that his first year out of Florida

[quote]Oh, and I've never in my life seen a 1st round pick, QB or otherwise, who was viewed as a 3-4 year project. That's ridiculous. That's taking the Tebow apologist theory to another level.[/QUOTE]

Dude, Tebow was always seen as a 3-4 year project. Here's a comment from Mike Mayock after Tebow was drafted:

[quote]Mike Mayock is a former NFL player and one of the most respected draft experts. Here's Mayock's take on Tebow "Tim Tebow is a physical specimen with off-the-chart intangibles. [COLOR="Red"][B]Redshirt him at least once; maybe redshirt him twice. I want that kind of kid in my huddle and in my building leading my franchise.[/B][/COLOR] I believe in the kid. You want to talk about athletic ability, he ran a 6.66-second three-cone drill, which is almost better than any wide receiver or corner at the combine. This is an athletic kid who will compete down the road for the Broncos."[/quote]

Or how about some draft reports ? From WalterFootball:

[quote]Summary: If I could take Tim Tebow's mind and put it into the body of some college quarterbacks, then they would be No. 1 overall picks. However, we have seen quarterbacks with outstanding intangibles bust at the next level. [COLOR="Red"]It will take Tebow 3-4 years to learn an NFL offense to where he could actually start a game.[/COLOR]
[/quote]

From New Era Scouting:

[quote]. He will get the opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL, [COLOR="Red"][B]but his experience playing under center is so minimal and his release is so long, he will need plenty of time to get acclimated to this kind of game.[/B][/COLOR] However, the immediate production he can bring via the increasingly popular wildcat offense could be as much as what a first round running back would do for a team. Considering the top notch intangibles, it is hard to dismiss the notion that Tebow is actually one of the safest picks in this draft class because one way or another, he is going to be a positive asset to an NFL team. [/quote]

Or Charlie Casserly:

[quote]"If you're looking at this guy as a quarterback, I wouldn't take him in the first three rounds," Casserly said. "[COLOR="Red"][B]I think he's a developmental quarterback.[/B][/COLOR]"
[/quote]

Or Tim Hasselbeck:

[quote]"Danny knows him well," Hasselbeck said, "and he told me: 'This kid is for real. He's not fake. This guy is solid.' You have to give him a chance. Whatever team he ends up on, he'll be part of an organization that embraces him. [COLOR="Red"][B]He'll be with a team that's willing to have patience with him.[/B][/COLOR] There will be guys in the locker room that aren't fans. But I have a feeling he's the kind of guy that won't be bothered by that [COLOR="Red"][B]and, over time, will be able to swing the vote in his favor[/B][/COLOR]. . . . Without a doubt, he's an interesting player." [/quote]

Or Todd McShay:

[quote]Working hard and having football intelligence is not enough in the eyes of many. [COLOR="Red"][B]Tebow's inability as a pocket passer make him[/B][/COLOR], in ESPN analyst Todd McShay's eyes, [COLOR="Red"][B]a project.[/B][/COLOR]

"It's a philosophical approach I have," McShay said. "You have to draft players who have legitimate shots at being a starter right away. [COLOR="Red"][B]With Tim Tebow, you have at least three years before he can compete for a starting job at quarterback.[/B][/COLOR] I think he can give value to a team, short yardage running, special teams and possibly moving to H-back at some point."[/quote]

And yes, in certain circumstances, 1st round draft picks CAN BE "project" players. Look at Denver. They were loaded with draft picks in 2010 and their "real" 1st round pick was used to select Demaryius Thomas. McDaniels was worried that Tebow would get snapped up by another team so he traded up to get another 1st round pick.

Even after trading 3 picks to move up for Tebow, Denver still ended up with 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick, a 6th round pick and 2 7th round picks.

Apache 51 · 05-23-2012, 05:32 PM

[QUOTE=langnba;4474905]Does he immediately become the biggest Jet legend of all time?
Obviously it would be the best trade in franchise history.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you are gonna have to worry about that.

Jordy · 05-23-2012, 05:44 PM

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4475731]Actually, what it proves is that Tebow isn't near as bad as many are making him out to be.

See, you've got things kind of screwed up as I think that Mark has done a pretty good job to this point in his career. As to the question about Tebow, with the team that Mark had >? Yeah, I think he very well could have done that his first year out of Florida

Dude, Tebow was always seen as a 3-4 year project. Here's a comment from Mike Mayock after Tebow was drafted:

Or how about some draft reports ? From WalterFootball:

From New Era Scouting:

Or Charlie Casserly:

Or Tim Hasselbeck:

Or Todd McShay:

And yes, in certain circumstances, 1st round draft picks CAN BE "project" players. Look at Denver. They were loaded with draft picks in 2010 and their "real" 1st round pick was used to select Demaryius Thomas. McDaniels was worried that Tebow would get snapped up by another team so he traded up to get another 1st round pick.

Even after trading 3 picks to move up for Tebow, Denver still ended up with 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick, a 6th round pick and 2 7th round picks.[/QUOTE]
None of this changes my belief that "projects" shouldn't be drafted in the 1st round.

Casserly even said that he wouldn't take him in the first 3 rounds.

Do you have quotes from these same experts saying that was a good move?

Edit: And I notice that you haven't responded to doggin's last post.

Apache 51 · 05-23-2012, 05:44 PM

All that matters is what he can contribute on the field. If you think the D is gonna listen to this guy you're as high as a kite.

GangGreenAFFLICTION · 05-23-2012, 05:52 PM

Thank goodness for TT otherwise the offseason would be unbearable.

[B]The GOOD[/B]
Didn’t give up much to get him
Better than Brunell
Competition for 6
Cheap
A PR wet dream
Good teammate
Good kid
X factor

BTW I beleive that both QBs are good kids with a team-first mentality and will make this odd couple arrangement work. Sparano will implement ground and pound

[B]The BAD[/B]
Not a groomed QB
Multi-position role = gimmick
Split personality offense

[B]The UGLY[/B]
High clusterFOLK potential……everyone gets axed ….a new five-year plan awaits

ucrenegade · 05-23-2012, 05:55 PM

[QUOTE=doggin94it;4475381]Why are you bringing up Tebow in a thread about Mark Sanchez? Did Tebow impact his play?[/QUOTE]

Tebow brings it is a thread about sanchez...........:confused:

Jordy · 05-23-2012, 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4475776]Tebow brings it is a thread about sanchez...........:confused:[/QUOTE]
Re-read his post and the part he bolded.

ucrenegade · 05-23-2012, 06:05 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4475779]Re-read his post and the part he bolded.[/QUOTE]

If their was a thread where everyone was saying how great mark is and did not blame his o-coordinator, RT, wr's, rex, running game, etc etc etc. Then I would not be in it but as long as they blame the others I have a right to debate. Tebow usually does not enter until someone else says something religious or about him then it usually ends in a whole circle -jerk thing instead of a nice concise debate.

05-23-2012, 05:08 PM	#232
Limolady Here On A "Need To Know" Basis. Jets Insider VIP Super*****/Prom Queen Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,402	Ok, now I'm in just because I can't stand to see the NFL bully a couple of cubby fans looking to have some fun while trying to make a few bucks. There mission statement is stone cold truth and I couldn't agree more that there will be hundreds of knockoff NY Jet & Tebow tees being sold in the parking lots all around Metllife Stadium once the season starts. I just put in an order for My Jesus & Bountygate tee shirts. They carry up to size 4X, so these are going to make great gifts for my favorite NFL linemen. ;) Last edited by Limolady; 05-23-2012 at 05:13 PM.

05-23-2012, 05:52 PM	#237
GangGreenAFFLICTION NO Distractions!!! Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Green Frozen North Posts: 165	Thank goodness for TT otherwise the offseason would be unbearable. [B]The GOOD[/B] Didn’t give up much to get him Better than Brunell Competition for 6 Cheap A PR wet dream Good teammate Good kid X factor BTW I beleive that both QBs are good kids with a team-first mentality and will make this odd couple arrangement work. Sparano will implement ground and pound [B]The BAD[/B] Not a groomed QB Multi-position role = gimmick Split personality offense [B]The UGLY[/B] High clusterFOLK potential……everyone gets axed ….a new five-year plan awaits Last edited by GangGreenAFFLICTION; 05-23-2012 at 05:55 PM. Reason: addition

05-23-2012, 09:38 AM	#221
jetrider Where are the Jets? Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,956	Cubby blew it with the sappy description that wasn't necessary to begin with. All Jets fans know what the design is all about. If they didn't mention Tebow and explain their master plan - every neurotransmitter involved - they wouldn't be under attack by anyone. Cubby has no chance now, they can't play dumb or say it was unintentional. The logo clearly is what it is - a slightly altered Jets copyrighted logo.

05-23-2012, 10:09 AM	#222
TurkJetFan Praise Idzik All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,098	[QUOTE=Brooklyn Jet;4470928]Maybe Im missing it, but where's the reference to Tebow, #15, etc? He owns the rights to the word Jesus now? What if a Christian who thinks Tebow is overrated wanted to rock that shirt?[/QUOTE] this will be the legal argument of the manufacturer...

05-23-2012, 10:49 AM	#223
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=gunnails;4474984]=============================================== You are a good guy and all, but, trust me, you have reached troll satus with this whole Tebow and mark thing.[/QUOTE] It had to be said...again.

05-23-2012, 10:57 AM	#224
ucrenegade Is thankful for a loving wonderful GOD. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Flippen GA Posts: 7,030	whatever if liking another QB over another then I guess I am but at least I am not a mindless zombie like these blinded sanchez lovers. :P

05-23-2012, 11:02 AM	#225
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4475036]Really >? One whole season to sit and watch as the 2nd string QB, or even the third string the first year ? Just so we have this straight, Sanchez was ordained as the starter when he was drafted. He went into rookie mini camp as the starter. Then into OTAs and TC as the starter, which means getting first team reps and most of the attention from the coaches. First team reps in preseason games, then finally, he started his first 16. [B]Tebow, on the other hand, came into the league as a 3-4 year project QB[/B]. He didn't get first team reps in OTAs or TC. Then, he rode the bench as a rookie, right up until he was thrown in for 3 games at the end of the season. Oh yeah, let's not forget the coaching change that occurred mid season. Have to be mindful of that. Then, coming into his second season, there was another coaching change that brought in John Fox and Mike McCoy took over running the offense and the play calling. (Sure, he was "OC" under Josh McDaniels, but Josh ran that offense and called the plays.) During this second year, OTAs and TC were severely limited due to the lockout. Once they did get started, again, Tebow wasn't getting first team reps, but rather was on another practice field throwing to camp bodies. Even still, he took over as the starter and went 7-4 in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs. And yes, through those games, he amassed BETTER stats than Sanchez did in his first 16 starts, even though Sanchez got all those first team reps in TC. I'll stand by that any day of the week.[/QUOTE] So if you look at stats, Tebow had better stats? Okay. And what does that prove? That Tebow is a better QB? By the way, you're not mentioning the fact that Sanchez came into the NFL with a small sample of big stage experience and was thrust onto the biggest stage and in the biggest and most scrutinized market immediately. 1st team reps are great and all, but nothing prepares you for stepping on the field against the best talent in the world. He may not have had the most impressive stats, but he did QB a team to the ACFCG as a rookie. Yes, he had a lot of help. But that doesn't diminish what he did. How many QB's have done that in the history of the NFL? Do you think Tebow could have done that his first year out of Florida? Oh, and I've never in my life seen a 1st round pick, QB or otherwise, who was viewed as a 3-4 year project. That's ridiculous. That's taking the Tebow apologist theory to another level.

05-23-2012, 11:04 AM	#226
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4475327]whatever if liking another QB over another then I guess I am but at least I am not a mindless zombie like these blinded sanchez lovers. :P[/QUOTE] Your schtick is beyond just liking one player over another. It's trolling. I think just about everyone on this board would agree.

05-23-2012, 11:48 AM	#227
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,516	[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4474878]And reality says that Tebow was a young starter with less than 16 starts under his belt. Again, if you compare his stats to Sanchez's over their first 16 games, Tebow's are better :) [/quote] Actually, reality says Tebow was a 3 year starter in college and Sanchez played all of 15 college games. Tebow's completions over his first 15 starts (3 games in 2010, 11 in 2011 and the Pit playoff game): 172 - about 11 per game - out of 363 attempts, for a 47% completion percentage. Sanchez' completions over his first 15 starts: 198 - about 13 per game - for a 53% completion percentage. Neither were very good, but Sanchez' numbers were better [quote]Tommie Frazier NEVER put up the kind of passing stats that Tebow did. In his career as a QB at Nebraska, Frazier put up the following: 250 of 509, for a comp % of 49.1%, 4003 yards, 47 TDs and 18 Int's. For Tebow: 661 of 985, for a comp % of 67.1, 9,286 yards, 88 TDs and 15 Int's. [/QUOTE] Threw the ball about half the time Tebow did, and put up about half the stats. Do you really want the list of prolific college QBs who couldn't make it in the pros? David Klingler was 732/1268, 57.7%, 9,466 yards, 91TD, 38 INT Rex Grossman was 677/1110, 61.0%, 9,164, 77/36 Graham Harrell was 1403/2010, [B]69.8[/B]%[B], 15,793[/B], [B]134[/B]/34 Colt Brennan was 1115/1584, [B]70.4%, 14,193, 131/42[/B] I could go on, but I think the point is pretty obvious. Being a prolific college QB does not necessarily mean you will be a prolific pro-QB

05-23-2012, 11:55 AM	#228
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,516	[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4474949]it is not calling trolling it is called preferring one QB to the other or are we not allowed to do that now? [B] Like I said I only bring tebow up in a thread if A people are saying how great mark is and it is everyone else in the worlds fault why he sucked well then i think I have a right to debate that or [/B] B if it is a thread on Tebow or asking about the position ie QB,HB,coach,fb,wr, etc etc...........[/QUOTE] Why are you bringing up Tebow in a thread about Mark Sanchez? Did Tebow impact his play?

05-23-2012, 12:03 PM	#229
ASG0531 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,804	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4475372]Actually, reality says Tebow was a 3 year starter in college and Sanchez played all of 15 college games. Tebow's completions over his first 15 starts (3 games in 2010, 11 in 2011 and the Pit playoff game): 172 - about 11 per game - out of 363 attempts, for a 47% completion percentage. Sanchez' completions over his first 15 starts: 198 - about 13 per game - for a 53% completion percentage. Neither were very good, but Sanchez' numbers were better Threw the ball about half the time Tebow did, and put up about half the stats. Do you really want the list of prolific college QBs who couldn't make it in the pros? David Klingler was 732/1268, 57.7%, 9,466 yards, 91TD, 38 INT Rex Grossman was 677/1110, 61.0%, 9,164, 77/36 Graham Harrell was 1403/2010, [B]69.8[/B]%[B], 15,793[/B], [B]134[/B]/34 Colt Brennan was 1115/1584, [B]70.4%, 14,193, 131/42[/B] I could go on, but I think the point is pretty obvious. Being a prolific college QB does not necessarily mean you will be a prolific pro-QB[/QUOTE] Rex Grossman QB'd his team to a Super Bowl appearance. Neither QB on the Jets roster can make that claim.

05-23-2012, 12:03 PM	#230
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,364	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4475381]Why are you bringing up Tebow in a thread about Mark Sanchez? Did Tebow impact his play?[/QUOTE] He brings up Tebow in every thread. He, wait, that would make him a troll. Nevermind.:rolleyes:

05-23-2012, 02:50 PM	#231
jetrider Where are the Jets? Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,956	[QUOTE=TurkJetFan;4475285]this will be the legal argument of the manufacturer...[/QUOTE] None of that matters. Cubby has no defense. They clearly pitched their motive and sources in the product's advertisement. The old myth that you can alter a design by X% and call it original isn't true anymore. The court uses common sense, and if a design is an obvious ripoff of one that's copyrighted, you lose. This one isn't just obvious, Cubby stated where it came from.

05-23-2012, 05:12 PM	#233
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,317	[QUOTE=Jordy;4475333]So if you look at stats, Tebow had better stats? Okay. And what does that prove? That Tebow is a better QB? [/quote] Actually, what it proves is that Tebow isn't near as bad as many are making him out to be. [QUOTE]By the way, you're not mentioning the fact that Sanchez came into the NFL with a small sample of big stage experience and was thrust onto the biggest stage and in the biggest and most scrutinized market immediately. 1st team reps are great and all, but nothing prepares you for stepping on the field against the best talent in the world. He may not have had the most impressive stats, but he did QB a team to the ACFCG as a rookie. Yes, he had a lot of help. But that doesn't diminish what he did. How many QB's have done that in the history of the NFL? Do you think Tebow could have done that his first year out of Florida? [/QUOTE] See, you've got things kind of screwed up as I think that Mark has done a pretty good job to this point in his career. As to the question about Tebow, with the team that Mark had >? Yeah, I think he very well could have done that his first year out of Florida [quote]Oh, and I've never in my life seen a 1st round pick, QB or otherwise, who was viewed as a 3-4 year project. That's ridiculous. That's taking the Tebow apologist theory to another level.[/QUOTE] Dude, Tebow was always seen as a 3-4 year project. Here's a comment from Mike Mayock after Tebow was drafted: [quote]Mike Mayock is a former NFL player and one of the most respected draft experts. Here's Mayock's take on Tebow "Tim Tebow is a physical specimen with off-the-chart intangibles. [COLOR="Red"][B]Redshirt him at least once; maybe redshirt him twice. I want that kind of kid in my huddle and in my building leading my franchise.[/B][/COLOR] I believe in the kid. You want to talk about athletic ability, he ran a 6.66-second three-cone drill, which is almost better than any wide receiver or corner at the combine. This is an athletic kid who will compete down the road for the Broncos."[/quote] Or how about some draft reports ? From WalterFootball: [quote]Summary: If I could take Tim Tebow's mind and put it into the body of some college quarterbacks, then they would be No. 1 overall picks. However, we have seen quarterbacks with outstanding intangibles bust at the next level. [COLOR="Red"]It will take Tebow 3-4 years to learn an NFL offense to where he could actually start a game.[/COLOR] [/quote] From New Era Scouting: [quote]. He will get the opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL, [COLOR="Red"][B]but his experience playing under center is so minimal and his release is so long, he will need plenty of time to get acclimated to this kind of game.[/B][/COLOR] However, the immediate production he can bring via the increasingly popular wildcat offense could be as much as what a first round running back would do for a team. Considering the top notch intangibles, it is hard to dismiss the notion that Tebow is actually one of the safest picks in this draft class because one way or another, he is going to be a positive asset to an NFL team. [/quote] Or Charlie Casserly: [quote]"If you're looking at this guy as a quarterback, I wouldn't take him in the first three rounds," Casserly said. "[COLOR="Red"][B]I think he's a developmental quarterback.[/B][/COLOR]" [/quote] Or Tim Hasselbeck: [quote]"Danny knows him well," Hasselbeck said, "and he told me: 'This kid is for real. He's not fake. This guy is solid.' You have to give him a chance. Whatever team he ends up on, he'll be part of an organization that embraces him. [COLOR="Red"][B]He'll be with a team that's willing to have patience with him.[/B][/COLOR] There will be guys in the locker room that aren't fans. But I have a feeling he's the kind of guy that won't be bothered by that [COLOR="Red"][B]and, over time, will be able to swing the vote in his favor[/B][/COLOR]. . . . Without a doubt, he's an interesting player." [/quote] Or Todd McShay: [quote]Working hard and having football intelligence is not enough in the eyes of many. [COLOR="Red"][B]Tebow's inability as a pocket passer make him[/B][/COLOR], in ESPN analyst Todd McShay's eyes, [COLOR="Red"][B]a project.[/B][/COLOR] "It's a philosophical approach I have," McShay said. "You have to draft players who have legitimate shots at being a starter right away. [COLOR="Red"][B]With Tim Tebow, you have at least three years before he can compete for a starting job at quarterback.[/B][/COLOR] I think he can give value to a team, short yardage running, special teams and possibly moving to H-back at some point."[/quote] And yes, in certain circumstances, 1st round draft picks CAN BE "project" players. Look at Denver. They were loaded with draft picks in 2010 and their "real" 1st round pick was used to select Demaryius Thomas. McDaniels was worried that Tebow would get snapped up by another team so he traded up to get another 1st round pick. Even after trading 3 picks to move up for Tebow, Denver still ended up with 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick, a 6th round pick and 2 7th round picks.

05-23-2012, 05:32 PM	#234
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,809	[QUOTE=langnba;4474905]Does he immediately become the biggest Jet legend of all time? Obviously it would be the best trade in franchise history.[/QUOTE] I don't think you are gonna have to worry about that.

05-23-2012, 05:44 PM	#235
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4475731]Actually, what it proves is that Tebow isn't near as bad as many are making him out to be. See, you've got things kind of screwed up as I think that Mark has done a pretty good job to this point in his career. As to the question about Tebow, with the team that Mark had >? Yeah, I think he very well could have done that his first year out of Florida Dude, Tebow was always seen as a 3-4 year project. Here's a comment from Mike Mayock after Tebow was drafted: Or how about some draft reports ? From WalterFootball: From New Era Scouting: Or Charlie Casserly: Or Tim Hasselbeck: Or Todd McShay: And yes, in certain circumstances, 1st round draft picks CAN BE "project" players. Look at Denver. They were loaded with draft picks in 2010 and their "real" 1st round pick was used to select Demaryius Thomas. McDaniels was worried that Tebow would get snapped up by another team so he traded up to get another 1st round pick. Even after trading 3 picks to move up for Tebow, Denver still ended up with 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick, a 6th round pick and 2 7th round picks.[/QUOTE] None of this changes my belief that "projects" shouldn't be drafted in the 1st round. Casserly even said that he wouldn't take him in the first 3 rounds. Do you have quotes from these same experts saying that was a good move? Edit: And I notice that you haven't responded to doggin's last post.

05-23-2012, 05:44 PM	#236
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,809	All that matters is what he can contribute on the field. If you think the D is gonna listen to this guy you're as high as a kite.

05-23-2012, 05:55 PM	#238
ucrenegade Is thankful for a loving wonderful GOD. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Flippen GA Posts: 7,030	[QUOTE=doggin94it;4475381]Why are you bringing up Tebow in a thread about Mark Sanchez? Did Tebow impact his play?[/QUOTE] Tebow brings it is a thread about sanchez...........:confused:

05-23-2012, 05:58 PM	#239
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=ucrenegade;4475776]Tebow brings it is a thread about sanchez...........:confused:[/QUOTE] Re-read his post and the part he bolded.

05-23-2012, 06:05 PM	#240
ucrenegade Is thankful for a loving wonderful GOD. All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Flippen GA Posts: 7,030	[QUOTE=Jordy;4475779]Re-read his post and the part he bolded.[/QUOTE] If their was a thread where everyone was saying how great mark is and did not blame his o-coordinator, RT, wr's, rex, running game, etc etc etc. Then I would not be in it but as long as they blame the others I have a right to debate. Tebow usually does not enter until someone else says something religious or about him then it usually ends in a whole circle -jerk thing instead of a nice concise debate.