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10PennyToColes87 · 05-23-2012, 12:08 AM

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4475016]tell em grammar queen![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4475018]almost had it right ...Coples will be in the inside and Mo outside ... they'll mix it up but this will be the base line up. Messed up the grammar on purpose for the grammar queen![/QUOTE]

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Glad you're back. Really.

cant wait · 05-23-2012, 12:20 AM

in passing situations I'd like to see:
pace
wilk
coples
dixon

you could rush 4 with maybin lining up off the edge too, I don't really see pouha/devito getting a pass rush at DT in a 4-3

FijiJet · 05-23-2012, 03:11 AM

Agreed. That 4-3 package could be deadly if the consituent parts are firing on all cylinders. Geez Mayhem, Sapp tearing off the edge and even Davis shooting the gaps would be devastating. Even a corner or safety blitz becomes viable.

Rex's defensive myriads could be rocking the house in 2012.

Woody56 · 05-23-2012, 04:19 AM

[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4475018]almost had it right ...Coples will be in the inside and Mo outside ... they'll mix it up but this will be the base line up. Messed up the grammar on purpose for the grammar queen![/QUOTE]

No way. Wilkerson spent his career in college playing DT and thats what he would be in a 4-3, while Coples spent a lot of his college career as a DE. Coples would only play DT on a 4 man pass rush package like

DE Pace
DT Wilkerson
DT Coples
DE Maybin

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 05-23-2012, 05:40 AM

[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;4474965]Coples best year in college was when he played inside[/QUOTE]

Coples is going to be moving all over the line, he is big & versatile enough that he won't have any set position.

Boynton Beach Jets · 05-23-2012, 07:47 AM

[QUOTE=ARodFLKeysJetsFan;4475129]Coples is going to be moving all over the line, he is big & versatile enough that he won't have any set position.[/QUOTE]

Granted but still his best production to date has been inside playing against the guard

Boynton Beach Jets · 05-23-2012, 07:49 AM

[QUOTE=BigJet85;4475053]They will be thats the funny thing.[/QUOTE]

That said a lot now unless you are smoking something in which case you should share:D

JB1089 · 05-23-2012, 09:29 AM

[QUOTE=Woody56;4475126]No way. Wilkerson spent his career in college playing DT and thats what he would be in a 4-3, while Coples spent a lot of his college career as a DE. Coples would only play DT on a 4 man pass rush package like

DE Pace
DT Wilkerson
DT Coples
DE Maybin[/QUOTE]

That's how I see it too.

Rexipus Rex · 05-23-2012, 11:38 AM

[QUOTE=Woody56;4475126]No way. Wilkerson spent his career in college playing DT and thats what he would be in a 4-3, while Coples spent a lot of his college career as a DE. Coples would only play DT on a 4 man pass rush package like

DE Pace
DT Wilkerson
DT Coples
DE Maybin[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

And that is a pretty badass front four on passing downs, well at least way better than any front four we could have posed in the last three seasons. I think it has a great deal of athleticism coupled with a nice blend of speed, quickness, and power.

Surely Pace would be LDE and Maybin RDE, but who would be LDT -- Wilkerson or Coples?

endgameeugenics · 05-23-2012, 12:34 PM

Devito won't ever be on the edge. He's a DT.

Austin · 05-23-2012, 12:44 PM

If Coples is inside on 4 man fronts, then Maybin/Pace/Thomas etc. will be the DEs... No way Wilkerson is lined up as a 5 technique in pass rushing situations.

FijiJet · 05-23-2012, 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=endgameeugenics;4475425]Devito won't ever be on the edge. He's a DT.[/QUOTE]
That's what he does best - stuff the run. Out on the edge is a waste of his talents and creating a self inflicted problem. Leave him at DT where he flourishes

Rexipus Rex · 05-23-2012, 11:46 PM

[QUOTE=Austin;4475431]If Coples is inside on 4 man fronts, then Maybin/Pace/Thomas etc. will be the DEs... No way Wilkerson is lined up as a 5 technique in pass rushing situations.[/QUOTE]

Agree, but I don't think anyone lines up in a 5T in four man fronts anyway...at least ones on passing downs since you're not trying to occupy blockers or two gap on the edge. It would likely either be 7T or wide 9, something (like you said) would be better off for Pace or Maybin to do.

jetfan51 · 05-24-2012, 01:03 PM

[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;4474965]Coples best year in college was when he played inside[/QUOTE]

The is what everyone has said, but he wasn't chop liver as a senior when he played DE.. A lot of teams focus on you when you have a level of success like he did in his junior year.

I think they let Wilkerson and Coples take edge and pouha and DeVito (who is versatile) on inside..

theire 4 man fronts will have multiple looks.... I am sure Wilkerson and Coples will have opportunity to rush from inside.. Still have Pace, Maybin as outside Pass rushers..... along w/ nickel and dime packages.

Dixon is another rotational player... Would love to see something from Ellis....

Austin · 05-24-2012, 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=Rexipus Rex;4476038]Agree, but I don't think anyone lines up in a 5T in four man fronts anyway...at least ones on passing downs since you're not trying to occupy blockers or two gap on the edge. It would likely either be 7T or wide 9, something (like you said) would be better off for Pace or Maybin to do.[/QUOTE]

Well if there's no TE a 5 pretty much is a 7...

But I agree, it seems that we'll be doing some "wide 9" stuff based on what Rex and co. have been saying.

Rexipus Rex · 05-24-2012, 05:16 PM

[QUOTE=Austin;4476650]Well if there's no TE a 5 pretty much is a 7...

But I agree, it seems that we'll be doing some "wide 9" stuff based on what Rex and co. have been saying.[/QUOTE]

[nitpicking] Not exactly. 5T means you line head up on the lineman. 7T means you're shading on one side of the lineman and in a gap.. [/nitpicking]

Other than that minor detail, we're on the same page. In fact, I did see Mayhem in a little bit of Wide 9 last year

05-23-2012, 12:08 AM	#21
10PennyToColes87 Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoFla Posts: 15,374	[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4475016]tell em grammar queen![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4475018]almost had it right ...Coples will be in the inside and Mo outside ... they'll mix it up but this will be the base line up. Messed up the grammar on purpose for the grammar queen![/QUOTE] [IMG]http://emotibot.net/pix/4799.jpg[/IMG] Glad you're back. Really.

05-23-2012, 12:20 AM	#22
cant wait to silence the non-believers Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,978	in passing situations I'd like to see: pace wilk coples dixon you could rush 4 with maybin lining up off the edge too, I don't really see pouha/devito getting a pass rush at DT in a 4-3

05-23-2012, 03:11 AM	#23
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,433	Agreed. That 4-3 package could be deadly if the consituent parts are firing on all cylinders. Geez Mayhem, Sapp tearing off the edge and even Davis shooting the gaps would be devastating. Even a corner or safety blitz becomes viable. Rex's defensive myriads could be rocking the house in 2012.

05-23-2012, 04:19 AM	#24
Woody56 Purifying myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,066	[QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4475018]almost had it right ...Coples will be in the inside and Mo outside ... they'll mix it up but this will be the base line up. Messed up the grammar on purpose for the grammar queen![/QUOTE] No way. Wilkerson spent his career in college playing DT and thats what he would be in a 4-3, while Coples spent a lot of his college career as a DE. Coples would only play DT on a 4 man pass rush package like DE Pace DT Wilkerson DT Coples DE Maybin

05-23-2012, 05:40 AM	#25
ARodFLKeysJetsFan Jets GM John Idzik is handling business.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Currently Norfolk, VA.... Posts: 18,325	[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;4474965]Coples best year in college was when he played inside[/QUOTE] Coples is going to be moving all over the line, he is big & versatile enough that he won't have any set position.

05-23-2012, 07:47 AM	#26
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=ARodFLKeysJetsFan;4475129]Coples is going to be moving all over the line, he is big & versatile enough that he won't have any set position.[/QUOTE] Granted but still his best production to date has been inside playing against the guard

05-23-2012, 07:49 AM	#27
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=BigJet85;4475053]They will be thats the funny thing.[/QUOTE] That said a lot now unless you are smoking something in which case you should share:D

05-23-2012, 09:29 AM	#28
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,710	[QUOTE=Woody56;4475126]No way. Wilkerson spent his career in college playing DT and thats what he would be in a 4-3, while Coples spent a lot of his college career as a DE. Coples would only play DT on a 4 man pass rush package like DE Pace DT Wilkerson DT Coples DE Maybin[/QUOTE] That's how I see it too.

05-23-2012, 11:38 AM	#29
Rexipus Rex Mo' money Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: E'Ville Posts: 1,199	[QUOTE=Woody56;4475126]No way. Wilkerson spent his career in college playing DT and thats what he would be in a 4-3, while Coples spent a lot of his college career as a DE. Coples would only play DT on a 4 man pass rush package like DE Pace DT Wilkerson DT Coples DE Maybin[/QUOTE] Agreed. And that is a pretty badass front four on passing downs, well at least way better than any front four we could have posed in the last three seasons. I think it has a great deal of athleticism coupled with a nice blend of speed, quickness, and power. Surely Pace would be LDE and Maybin RDE, but who would be LDT -- Wilkerson or Coples?

05-23-2012, 12:34 PM	#30
endgameeugenics Practice Squad Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 305	Devito won't ever be on the edge. He's a DT.

05-23-2012, 12:44 PM	#31
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,185	If Coples is inside on 4 man fronts, then Maybin/Pace/Thomas etc. will be the DEs... No way Wilkerson is lined up as a 5 technique in pass rushing situations.

05-23-2012, 10:46 PM	#32
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,433	[QUOTE=endgameeugenics;4475425]Devito won't ever be on the edge. He's a DT.[/QUOTE] That's what he does best - stuff the run. Out on the edge is a waste of his talents and creating a self inflicted problem. Leave him at DT where he flourishes

05-23-2012, 11:46 PM	#33
Rexipus Rex Mo' money Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: E'Ville Posts: 1,199	[QUOTE=Austin;4475431]If Coples is inside on 4 man fronts, then Maybin/Pace/Thomas etc. will be the DEs... No way Wilkerson is lined up as a 5 technique in pass rushing situations.[/QUOTE] Agree, but I don't think anyone lines up in a 5T in four man fronts anyway...at least ones on passing downs since you're not trying to occupy blockers or two gap on the edge. It would likely either be 7T or wide 9, something (like you said) would be better off for Pace or Maybin to do.

05-24-2012, 01:03 PM	#34
jetfan51 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 962	[QUOTE=Boynton Beach Jets;4474965]Coples best year in college was when he played inside[/QUOTE] The is what everyone has said, but he wasn't chop liver as a senior when he played DE.. A lot of teams focus on you when you have a level of success like he did in his junior year. I think they let Wilkerson and Coples take edge and pouha and DeVito (who is versatile) on inside.. theire 4 man fronts will have multiple looks.... I am sure Wilkerson and Coples will have opportunity to rush from inside.. Still have Pace, Maybin as outside Pass rushers..... along w/ nickel and dime packages. Dixon is another rotational player... Would love to see something from Ellis....

05-24-2012, 03:04 PM	#35
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,185	[QUOTE=Rexipus Rex;4476038]Agree, but I don't think anyone lines up in a 5T in four man fronts anyway...at least ones on passing downs since you're not trying to occupy blockers or two gap on the edge. It would likely either be 7T or wide 9, something (like you said) would be better off for Pace or Maybin to do.[/QUOTE] Well if there's no TE a 5 pretty much is a 7... But I agree, it seems that we'll be doing some "wide 9" stuff based on what Rex and co. have been saying.

05-24-2012, 05:16 PM	#36
Rexipus Rex Mo' money Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: E'Ville Posts: 1,199	[QUOTE=Austin;4476650]Well if there's no TE a 5 pretty much is a 7... But I agree, it seems that we'll be doing some "wide 9" stuff based on what Rex and co. have been saying.[/QUOTE] [nitpicking] Not exactly. 5T means you line head up on the lineman. 7T means you're shading on one side of the lineman and in a gap.. [/nitpicking] Other than that minor detail, we're on the same page. In fact, I did see Mayhem in a little bit of Wide 9 last year