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patman · 05-26-2012, 06:56 AM

[QUOTE=HoustonJET;4476427]Actually it was... Playing the nickel spot is not easy at all... Dude made improvements from his rookie year and didn't even have a formal offseason... Of course you can throw out the Victor Cruz joint, in which he was caught in a bad position... but nevertheless I think Wilson is a great piece for our defense...[/QUOTE]

There is no "nickel" position he takes the inside or slot wr in a 3wr set.

Sec340 · 05-26-2012, 07:19 AM

[QUOTE=Shark99;4478081]The only thing we have in common is we are jets fans. Your a hater of Tebow and I and bring a negative vibe to all my threads[/QUOTE]

I hope Tebow does a great job in everything else he's involved with and helps us win a Super bowl but he's the worst passer I have ever seen. My biggest concern on the Jets is who's going to play QB if god forbid Mark goes down. Lets all pray to Tebow's god that Mcelroy is ready to play in the NFL.

McGinley · 05-26-2012, 07:20 AM

Sigh. These Tebow fans are still trying to act like they care at all about the Jets? You know, if you cared about the Jets, you would be hoping that Sanchez steps up his game this year instead of hoping that he fails so that Tim "Useless unless being used as a surprise runner" Tebow can start.

SMH at all of these guys.

freestater · 05-26-2012, 07:59 AM

The Tebowphiliacs are really the only part of the Tebow trade I dislike. Like the Favre fans of a few years ago, they don't give a crap about the Green-N-White. Never have, never will. When Tebow leaves, they'll go back to hating the Jets. Unfortunately, they'll probably stick around here forever to tell us all how the Jets mistreated poor little Timmy. (ala gcherd) As for Mr. Tebow himself, I just hope his appearance in the wildcat packages and special teams keeps his minions in order.

In the meantime, I'l be rooting for the [I]real[/I] QB of the NYJ...

[IMG]http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/28/sports/photos_stories/cropped/mark_sanchez--300x450.jpg[/IMG]

Shark99 · 05-26-2012, 08:07 AM

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4477840]Give up, you're embarrassing yourself.

Theres no thank you needed.

Almost all of you posts are in Tebow QB related threads.

And yes, most QBs, all but a handful struggle. Dors not therefore mean that all QBs who struggle will go on to become elite.

You somehow missed that most who suck in their first two seasons usually go on to suck their entire career.

What you also missed is that someone like Elway, threw a great pass, looked like he would develop into a real QB.

Tebow looks like a QB that you put on ST's and use for gimmick plays. When someone dumps you like the Brons did and the team that traded for you says you aren't their QB, you should take notice.[/QUOTE]

Can't we all Jet fans get along!?

Shark99 · 05-26-2012, 08:09 AM

[QUOTE=freestater;4478097]The Tebowphiliacs are really the only part of the Tebow trade I dislike. Like the Favre fans of a few years ago, they don't give a crap about the Green-N-White. Never have, never will. When Tebow leaves, they'll go back to hating the Jets. Unfortunately, they'll probably stick around here forever to tell us all how the Jets mistreated poor little Timmy. (ala gcherd) As for Mr. Tebow himself, I just hope his appearance in the wildcat packages and special teams keeps his minions in order.

In the meantime, I'l be rooting for the [I]real[/I] QB of the NYJ...

[IMG]http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/28/sports/photos_stories/cropped/mark_sanchez--300x450.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

They can jump on board and buy tickets, merchandise etc. It only helps us. If they choose to leave once Tebow or the next big item leaves thats fine its there perogative.

Shark99 · 05-26-2012, 08:10 AM

[QUOTE=McGinley;4478092]Sigh. These Tebow fans are still trying to act like they care at all about the Jets? You know, if you cared about the Jets, you would be hoping that Sanchez steps up his game this year instead of hoping that he fails so that Tim "Useless unless being used as a surprise runner" Tebow can start.

SMH at all of these guys.[/QUOTE]

There are die hard fans and there are Tebow fans. It's all good we are now all Jet fans! The more the merrier. This is a Giants town and the only way we take it over is by winning!

palmetto defender · 05-26-2012, 10:01 AM

I am not really a fan of too many players. I am a Jets fan. i admire stars throughout the league regardless of team.
I recall a similar situation. There was a player I never saw play in college. Only in the NFL. He played QB for a very mediocre team in college. He won the Heisman and was drafted #1 overall. His pro coach didn't want him at QB so he moved him to HB. He worked out pretty well and performed a lot of versatile functions. The player was Paul Hornung.
Not saying that Tebow is as good as Hornubg - he is not. But Sanchez sure as hell is no Bart Starr.
Tebow would not be in NY if Sanchez was really that good. He is not the worst QB in the league but he is in the bottom half.

GandWFan · 05-26-2012, 10:16 AM

[QUOTE=patman;4478089]There is no "nickel" position he takes the inside or slot wr in a 3wr set.[/QUOTE]

err.. the "nickel" position takes the inside or slot wr in a 3wr set. duh...

Shark99 · 05-26-2012, 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4478149]I am not really a fan of too many players. I am a Jets fan. i admire stars throughout the league regardless of team.
I recall a similar situation. There was a player I never saw play in college. Only in the NFL. He played QB for a very mediocre team in college. He won the Heisman and was drafted #1 overall. His pro coach didn't want him at QB so he moved him to HB. He worked out pretty well and performed a lot of versatile functions. The player was Paul Hornung.
Not saying that Tebow is as good as Hornubg - he is not. But Sanchez sure as hell is no Bart Starr.
Tebow would not be in NY if Sanchez was really that good. He is not the worst QB in the league but he is in the bottom half.[/QUOTE]

Sanchez in the bottom half the Qb's...wow that was harsh! ouch!

He only brought us to 2 AFC championship games. Last year we had a horrendous line and he was sacked like a potato bag/dummy b/c our OL was hot garbage at protecting him!

Demosthenes9 · 05-26-2012, 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=sg3;4478085]I googled up this Tom Martinez expert

says he was a mentor to Brady

says he was a mentor to Jamarcus Russell

says he can't be saying much or doing much about fixing the impossibly awful mechanics of your adored Timmy since he died in February[/QUOTE]

Guess you missed that he helped John Elway when he was younger also? Or did you leave that out on purpose ? I can see what a terrible QB coach Martinez was, I mean, having a current HoF'er and a sure thing 1st ballot HoF'er as pupils. Man, he must have been awful.

And yes, he did pass away, but point remains that he was still a highly regarded expert in the field and he said that Tebow's mechanics could be fixed.

palmetto defender · 05-26-2012, 10:48 AM

[QUOTE=Rock48nj;4477854]Lets get this back to a football thread and talk about the whole world of early 20th century, pre-WWI offensive packages we can run with tebow that will revolutionize the modern day NFL. I much like hearing about those from the Tebow sycophants.[/QUOTE]

They did not have pro football before WWI.
No Heisman until the mid 30s.

Demosthenes9 · 05-26-2012, 10:52 AM

[QUOTE=Mogglez;4478077]I remember that rumor, but if I remember correctly, the Raiders were asking for a first, Favre had already informed the team he would be back for 2007 and was personally lobbying for the Moss deal to get done. The Packers weren't willing to shell out a first but offered Rodgers straight up (although it was rumored they were willing to to also part with a 4th) knowing that the Raiders desperately needed a QB. The Packers felt that Rodgers was a good enough prospect to get the deal done, but in the end the trade never got done, the Raiders selected Jamarcus Russell No.1 overall, and Moss was shipped off to NE.

I've never seen any special on Rodgers, but if thats all true then almost being traded because of an injury is still completely different than being traded because you suck. There was barely any body of work to go by (5 games & 0 starts) so thats BS.

Like I stated above, if what RR said is true than almost being traded because of an injury is completely different than being traded because you suck. Rodgers was taken in the first round and prior to the 2007 season he had played in 5 games, and had zero starts meaning there was literally no body of work to say that he sucked, so that's utter nonsense. [COLOR="Red"]If the Packers really felt that Rodgers wasn't the guy to lead their franchise, then they would have traded him for peanuts and drafted another guy to take over when Favre left. Instead they handed him the team in 2008 (I don't even think there was a competition) and he never looked back.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Sigh....

[url]http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rodgers-made-a-career-audible-with-packers-4p3loj7-136856133.html[/url]

[quote]For Rodgers to be in this place, on the cusp of becoming the NFL's most valuable player,[COLOR="Red"][B] when it is remembered where he was earlier in his career is almost unfathomable.[/B][/COLOR]

Last week, I spent a full day poring over practices files, game notes and a large assortment of interviews in an attempt to offer some perspective on the career of Rodgers in Green Bay.

[B][COLOR="Red"]If someone had asked after his first season whether Rodgers had a better chance to be a star or a bust, I might have answered bust. Many personnel people probably would have, too.[/COLOR][/B]

As a rookie, Rodgers' six substantial outings included a scrimmage against Buffalo, four exhibition games and the fourth quarter of a December night game in Baltimore.

[COLOR="Red"][B]He was brutal every time out.[/B][/COLOR]

In each of the exhibition games, Brett Favre started before turning it over to Rodgers. [COLOR="Red"][B]Until his 20th and final series, when the Packers scored a touchdown in Tennessee with the aid of a 33-yard penalty for pass interference, Rodgers had not generated a point. Sixteen possessions ended with punts, two on interceptions and one on a fumble.
[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"][B]If the No. 2 quarterback job had been awarded based on performance in training camp and games, it would have gone to Craig Nall hands-down.
[/B][/COLOR][/quote]

[quote][COLOR="Red"][B]Against the Ravens, Rodgers threw an interception, fumbled twice and was sacked three times.[/B][/COLOR]

As the 2006 draft drew near, [COLOR="Red"][B]Rodgers told NFL Network that he had heard the rumors of the Packers possibly selecting a quarterback with the No. 5 selection in a move that would likely end his career in Green Bay. [/B][/COLOR]Ted Thompson, the general manager who had drafted Rodgers with the No. 24 pick the year before, [B][COLOR="Red"]didn't rule it out.[/COLOR][/B]

A month before the draft, [COLOR="Red"][B]a panel of 18 personnel men were asked to compare Rodgers against that year's quarterback pool led by Matt Leinart, Vince Young and Jay Cutler. Not only didn't Rodgers draw any first-place votes, he had only one second and three thirds. Eleven scouts put him fourth, and three others even had him behind Brodie Croyle and Charlie Whitehurst.[/B][/COLOR]
[/quote]

[quote]The coaching change from Mike Sherman to Mike McCarthy could have been the kiss of death for Rodgers. McCarthy preferred Alex Smith to Rodgers before the 2005 draft.

Rodgers participated fully in the quarterback school led by position coach Tom Clements. [COLOR="Red"][B]Still, he was inconsistent in the off-season and only slightly improved in his second training camp.[/B][/COLOR]

There was considerable optimism after Rodgers turned in his best performance up to then in the exhibition opener against San Diego. [COLOR="Red"][B]But he was very average in the second game, not very good in the third and awful in the fourth.
[/B][/COLOR]

In his only meaningful regular-season appearance, Rodgers played the entire second half against New England. [COLOR="Red"][B]Once again, he played poorly, holding the ball for three sacks and missing several open receivers.[/B][/COLOR][/quote]

[quote]"You don't want to be critical of the kid because he's in a new system," an AFC personnel director said at the time.[COLOR="Red"][B][SIZE="4"] "But it looks like it will be awhile, if ever, if he develops."[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

Last week, that same scout said, "[COLOR="Red"][B]After his second preseason, if they had released him, I don't know that anybody would have been shocked. [SIZE="4"]I mean, he wasn't a very good player. He couldn't make a play.[/SIZE]"[/B][/COLOR]

Once again, [COLOR="Red"][B]Thompson said he wouldn't rule out drafting a quarterback. In April 2007, 12 of 18 scouts said Brady Quinn was a better prospect than Rodgers.[/B][/COLOR]
[/quote]

That's a pretty good recap of Rodgers' first 2 years riding the bench in the NFL. Point blank, he SUCKED. The article goes on to talk about how he changed coming into his third year, how he did pretty good in an exhibition game and then lit it when he came in during the season.

It's been an amazing ride since then and Rodgers' is one of the best QBs in the league now.

palmetto defender · 05-26-2012, 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Shark99;4478164]Sanchez in the bottom half the Qb's...wow that was harsh! ouch!

He only brought us to 2 AFC championship games. Last year we had a horrendous line and he was sacked like a potato bag/dummy b/c our OL was hot garbage at protecting him![/QUOTE]

He DIDN'T DO CRAP. The first two years the Jet defense was outstanding. A top five unit. Look at Markey Marks' ratings. LOW. I am being generous saying bottom half. That would be maybe 17.
Facts.

Demosthenes9 · 05-26-2012, 10:57 AM

[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4478172]He DIDN'T DO CRAP. The first two years the Jet defense was outstanding. A top five unit. Look at Markey Marks' ratings. LOW. I am being generous saying bottom half. That would be maybe 17.
Facts.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, Mark definitely didn't put up HoF numbers either of those years, but he did something just as good. He DIDN'T fark things up too badly and at times, he was clutch and made some good throws.

So, it would be wrong to say that he carried the team, but it would also be wrong to say that they got there in spite of him.

If you will, he was Dilfer++ in that he managed the games pretty well, AND at times, did some really nice things.

JStokes · 05-26-2012, 11:27 AM

[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4478072]So let me see if I have this straight. You make the asinine statement that "that [SIZE="4"][B]every expert[/B][/SIZE] has opined it would be impossible to fix".

I then took the two seconds to demonstrate that you were talking out your ass by quoting an acknowledged expert who said that Tebow's mechanics could be fixed.

And you want to say that I'm embarrassing ?

Bwahahahahahahahaha, now that's funny. Truly, it is. Thanks for the laugh Counselor.[/QUOTE]

No, you're an assinine idiot. Because one "acknowleded expert" says he can fix the impossible doesn't mean he can actually fix the impossible.

Lots of folks claim they can do a LOT of things but they are grasping at straws.

Yet your blind devotion to Tebow demands that you would dismiss basically everyone who has looked at Tebow over the past 7 years and said his windmill delivery can't be fixed, and make you point to the one or two outliers who SAY it can be fixed without any real plan or proof or anything about how that's supposed to be accomplished.

That is some brilliant debating right there.

You've convinced me, I'm not going to believe every expert who says Tim Tebow sucks at throwing, I'm going to believe a Tebow fan-boi looking for any evidence anywhere that says he's can be fixed as a thrower.

Bwhahahahahahahahaaa, now that's funny. It truly is. Thanks for the laugh, Tebow Butt boy.

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JStokes · 05-26-2012, 11:33 AM

[QUOTE=sg3;4478085]I googled up this Tom Martinez expert

says he can't be saying much or doing much about fixing the impossibly awful mechanics of your adored Timmy since he died in February[/QUOTE]

Holy f*ck Demothsenes, the one EXPERT on the planet that can fix Tebow's delivery is...dead?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Martinez[/url]

Oh, I get it, Tebow's going to visit him in heaven and in two weeks--poof--his delivery is going to be magically fixed.

Brilliant.

Stop, you are embarrassing yourself.

Please try and conduct yourself with less agenda driven drivel on whatever team's board you start to troll next year.

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JStokes · 05-26-2012, 11:38 AM

[QUOTE=Sec340;4478091]I hope Tebow does a great job in everything else he's involved with and helps us win a Super bowl [B]but he's the worst passer I have ever seen.[/B] [/QUOTE]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Did you SEE his stats at Florida? And the Heisman Trophy?

There are new guys here that have followed the Broncos for like a year and a half who have actually SEEN him with their own eyes and have seen stuff you and I haven't seen on TV--that most experts can't pick up on TV.

The guy is an AWESOME thrower and he's going to get better when Tom Martinez fixes his looping windmill delivery.

Two weeks top and he's going to have that nice compact tight delivery you want out of your QB.

You wait.

Awesome.

Jets_Penguin · 05-26-2012, 11:44 AM

really care what a cast off, back up QB does in OTA's months before a real game starts?

Just Saying................

Kentucky Jet · 05-26-2012, 11:49 AM

[QUOTE=RoadFan;4477014]Schitty's gameplan often looked like it was designed by the opposing team's defensive coordinator.[/QUOTE]

Especially when Schotty and his schemes brought us to two consecutive AFCCG with a raw and inaccurate QB.

You are ridiculous! But fit right in with the Doom and Gloom crowd of hero worshippers! DUMP

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05-26-2012, 11:44 AM	#439
Jets_Penguin Bench Sanchez- DONE, Fire Tanny- DONE and Rex, DRAFT a QB, Hire new coach and GM- DONE...start fresh Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The ZONE, Az Posts: 882	Does Anyone............... really care what a cast off, back up QB does in OTA's months before a real game starts? Just Saying................

05-26-2012, 06:56 AM	#421
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,160	[QUOTE=HoustonJET;4476427]Actually it was... Playing the nickel spot is not easy at all... Dude made improvements from his rookie year and didn't even have a formal offseason... Of course you can throw out the Victor Cruz joint, in which he was caught in a bad position... but nevertheless I think Wilson is a great piece for our defense...[/QUOTE] There is no "nickel" position he takes the inside or slot wr in a 3wr set.

05-26-2012, 07:19 AM	#422
Sec340 Rookie Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 508	[QUOTE=Shark99;4478081]The only thing we have in common is we are jets fans. Your a hater of Tebow and I and bring a negative vibe to all my threads[/QUOTE] I hope Tebow does a great job in everything else he's involved with and helps us win a Super bowl but he's the worst passer I have ever seen. My biggest concern on the Jets is who's going to play QB if god forbid Mark goes down. Lets all pray to Tebow's god that Mcelroy is ready to play in the NFL.

05-26-2012, 07:20 AM	#423
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,446	Sigh. These Tebow fans are still trying to act like they care at all about the Jets? You know, if you cared about the Jets, you would be hoping that Sanchez steps up his game this year instead of hoping that he fails so that Tim "Useless unless being used as a surprise runner" Tebow can start. SMH at all of these guys.

05-26-2012, 07:59 AM	#424
freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,507	The Tebowphiliacs are really the only part of the Tebow trade I dislike. Like the Favre fans of a few years ago, they don't give a crap about the Green-N-White. Never have, never will. When Tebow leaves, they'll go back to hating the Jets. Unfortunately, they'll probably stick around here forever to tell us all how the Jets mistreated poor little Timmy. (ala gcherd) As for Mr. Tebow himself, I just hope his appearance in the wildcat packages and special teams keeps his minions in order. In the meantime, I'l be rooting for the [I]real[/I] QB of the NYJ... [IMG]http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/28/sports/photos_stories/cropped/mark_sanchez--300x450.jpg[/IMG]

05-26-2012, 08:07 AM	#425
Shark99 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,743	[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4477840]Give up, you're embarrassing yourself. Theres no thank you needed. Almost all of you posts are in Tebow QB related threads. And yes, most QBs, all but a handful struggle. Dors not therefore mean that all QBs who struggle will go on to become elite. You somehow missed that most who suck in their first two seasons usually go on to suck their entire career. What you also missed is that someone like Elway, threw a great pass, looked like he would develop into a real QB. Tebow looks like a QB that you put on ST's and use for gimmick plays. When someone dumps you like the Brons did and the team that traded for you says you aren't their QB, you should take notice.[/QUOTE] Can't we all Jet fans get along!?

05-26-2012, 08:09 AM	#426
Shark99 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,743	[QUOTE=freestater;4478097]The Tebowphiliacs are really the only part of the Tebow trade I dislike. Like the Favre fans of a few years ago, they don't give a crap about the Green-N-White. Never have, never will. When Tebow leaves, they'll go back to hating the Jets. Unfortunately, they'll probably stick around here forever to tell us all how the Jets mistreated poor little Timmy. (ala gcherd) As for Mr. Tebow himself, I just hope his appearance in the wildcat packages and special teams keeps his minions in order. In the meantime, I'l be rooting for the [I]real[/I] QB of the NYJ... [IMG]http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/28/sports/photos_stories/cropped/mark_sanchez--300x450.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] They can jump on board and buy tickets, merchandise etc. It only helps us. If they choose to leave once Tebow or the next big item leaves thats fine its there perogative.

05-26-2012, 08:10 AM	#427
Shark99 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,743	[QUOTE=McGinley;4478092]Sigh. These Tebow fans are still trying to act like they care at all about the Jets? You know, if you cared about the Jets, you would be hoping that Sanchez steps up his game this year instead of hoping that he fails so that Tim "Useless unless being used as a surprise runner" Tebow can start. SMH at all of these guys.[/QUOTE] There are die hard fans and there are Tebow fans. It's all good we are now all Jet fans! The more the merrier. This is a Giants town and the only way we take it over is by winning!

05-26-2012, 10:01 AM	#428
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	I am not really a fan of too many players. I am a Jets fan. i admire stars throughout the league regardless of team. I recall a similar situation. There was a player I never saw play in college. Only in the NFL. He played QB for a very mediocre team in college. He won the Heisman and was drafted #1 overall. His pro coach didn't want him at QB so he moved him to HB. He worked out pretty well and performed a lot of versatile functions. The player was Paul Hornung. Not saying that Tebow is as good as Hornubg - he is not. But Sanchez sure as hell is no Bart Starr. Tebow would not be in NY if Sanchez was really that good. He is not the worst QB in the league but he is in the bottom half.

05-26-2012, 10:16 AM	#429
GandWFan Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,099	[QUOTE=patman;4478089]There is no "nickel" position he takes the inside or slot wr in a 3wr set.[/QUOTE] err.. the "nickel" position takes the inside or slot wr in a 3wr set. duh...

05-26-2012, 10:25 AM	#430
Shark99 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,743	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4478149]I am not really a fan of too many players. I am a Jets fan. i admire stars throughout the league regardless of team. I recall a similar situation. There was a player I never saw play in college. Only in the NFL. He played QB for a very mediocre team in college. He won the Heisman and was drafted #1 overall. His pro coach didn't want him at QB so he moved him to HB. He worked out pretty well and performed a lot of versatile functions. The player was Paul Hornung. Not saying that Tebow is as good as Hornubg - he is not. But Sanchez sure as hell is no Bart Starr. Tebow would not be in NY if Sanchez was really that good. He is not the worst QB in the league but he is in the bottom half.[/QUOTE] Sanchez in the bottom half the Qb's...wow that was harsh! ouch! He only brought us to 2 AFC championship games. Last year we had a horrendous line and he was sacked like a potato bag/dummy b/c our OL was hot garbage at protecting him!

05-26-2012, 10:26 AM	#431
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,291	[QUOTE=sg3;4478085]I googled up this Tom Martinez expert says he was a mentor to Brady says he was a mentor to Jamarcus Russell says he can't be saying much or doing much about fixing the impossibly awful mechanics of your adored Timmy since he died in February[/QUOTE] Guess you missed that he helped John Elway when he was younger also? Or did you leave that out on purpose ? I can see what a terrible QB coach Martinez was, I mean, having a current HoF'er and a sure thing 1st ballot HoF'er as pupils. Man, he must have been awful. And yes, he did pass away, but point remains that he was still a highly regarded expert in the field and he said that Tebow's mechanics could be fixed.

05-26-2012, 10:48 AM	#432
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=Rock48nj;4477854]Lets get this back to a football thread and talk about the whole world of early 20th century, pre-WWI offensive packages we can run with tebow that will revolutionize the modern day NFL. I much like hearing about those from the Tebow sycophants.[/QUOTE] They did not have pro football before WWI. No Heisman until the mid 30s.

05-26-2012, 10:52 AM	#433
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,291	[QUOTE=Mogglez;4478077]I remember that rumor, but if I remember correctly, the Raiders were asking for a first, Favre had already informed the team he would be back for 2007 and was personally lobbying for the Moss deal to get done. The Packers weren't willing to shell out a first but offered Rodgers straight up (although it was rumored they were willing to to also part with a 4th) knowing that the Raiders desperately needed a QB. The Packers felt that Rodgers was a good enough prospect to get the deal done, but in the end the trade never got done, the Raiders selected Jamarcus Russell No.1 overall, and Moss was shipped off to NE. I've never seen any special on Rodgers, but if thats all true then almost being traded because of an injury is still completely different than being traded because you suck. There was barely any body of work to go by (5 games & 0 starts) so thats BS. Like I stated above, if what RR said is true than almost being traded because of an injury is completely different than being traded because you suck. Rodgers was taken in the first round and prior to the 2007 season he had played in 5 games, and had zero starts meaning there was literally no body of work to say that he sucked, so that's utter nonsense. [COLOR="Red"]If the Packers really felt that Rodgers wasn't the guy to lead their franchise, then they would have traded him for peanuts and drafted another guy to take over when Favre left. Instead they handed him the team in 2008 (I don't even think there was a competition) and he never looked back.[/COLOR][/QUOTE] Sigh.... [url]http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rodgers-made-a-career-audible-with-packers-4p3loj7-136856133.html[/url] [quote]For Rodgers to be in this place, on the cusp of becoming the NFL's most valuable player,[COLOR="Red"][B] when it is remembered where he was earlier in his career is almost unfathomable.[/B][/COLOR] Last week, I spent a full day poring over practices files, game notes and a large assortment of interviews in an attempt to offer some perspective on the career of Rodgers in Green Bay. [B][COLOR="Red"]If someone had asked after his first season whether Rodgers had a better chance to be a star or a bust, I might have answered bust. Many personnel people probably would have, too.[/COLOR][/B] As a rookie, Rodgers' six substantial outings included a scrimmage against Buffalo, four exhibition games and the fourth quarter of a December night game in Baltimore. [COLOR="Red"][B]He was brutal every time out.[/B][/COLOR] In each of the exhibition games, Brett Favre started before turning it over to Rodgers. [COLOR="Red"][B]Until his 20th and final series, when the Packers scored a touchdown in Tennessee with the aid of a 33-yard penalty for pass interference, Rodgers had not generated a point. Sixteen possessions ended with punts, two on interceptions and one on a fumble. [/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"][B]If the No. 2 quarterback job had been awarded based on performance in training camp and games, it would have gone to Craig Nall hands-down. [/B][/COLOR][/quote] [quote][COLOR="Red"][B]Against the Ravens, Rodgers threw an interception, fumbled twice and was sacked three times.[/B][/COLOR] As the 2006 draft drew near, [COLOR="Red"][B]Rodgers told NFL Network that he had heard the rumors of the Packers possibly selecting a quarterback with the No. 5 selection in a move that would likely end his career in Green Bay. [/B][/COLOR]Ted Thompson, the general manager who had drafted Rodgers with the No. 24 pick the year before, [B][COLOR="Red"]didn't rule it out.[/COLOR][/B] A month before the draft, [COLOR="Red"][B]a panel of 18 personnel men were asked to compare Rodgers against that year's quarterback pool led by Matt Leinart, Vince Young and Jay Cutler. Not only didn't Rodgers draw any first-place votes, he had only one second and three thirds. Eleven scouts put him fourth, and three others even had him behind Brodie Croyle and Charlie Whitehurst.[/B][/COLOR] [/quote] [quote]The coaching change from Mike Sherman to Mike McCarthy could have been the kiss of death for Rodgers. McCarthy preferred Alex Smith to Rodgers before the 2005 draft. Rodgers participated fully in the quarterback school led by position coach Tom Clements. [COLOR="Red"][B]Still, he was inconsistent in the off-season and only slightly improved in his second training camp.[/B][/COLOR] There was considerable optimism after Rodgers turned in his best performance up to then in the exhibition opener against San Diego. [COLOR="Red"][B]But he was very average in the second game, not very good in the third and awful in the fourth. [/B][/COLOR] In his only meaningful regular-season appearance, Rodgers played the entire second half against New England. [COLOR="Red"][B]Once again, he played poorly, holding the ball for three sacks and missing several open receivers.[/B][/COLOR][/quote] [quote]"You don't want to be critical of the kid because he's in a new system," an AFC personnel director said at the time.[COLOR="Red"][B][SIZE="4"] "But it looks like it will be awhile, if ever, if he develops."[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR] Last week, that same scout said, "[COLOR="Red"][B]After his second preseason, if they had released him, I don't know that anybody would have been shocked. [SIZE="4"]I mean, he wasn't a very good player. He couldn't make a play.[/SIZE]"[/B][/COLOR] Once again, [COLOR="Red"][B]Thompson said he wouldn't rule out drafting a quarterback. In April 2007, 12 of 18 scouts said Brady Quinn was a better prospect than Rodgers.[/B][/COLOR] [/quote] That's a pretty good recap of Rodgers' first 2 years riding the bench in the NFL. Point blank, he SUCKED. The article goes on to talk about how he changed coming into his third year, how he did pretty good in an exhibition game and then lit it when he came in during the season. It's been an amazing ride since then and Rodgers' is one of the best QBs in the league now.

05-26-2012, 10:53 AM	#434
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,649	[QUOTE=Shark99;4478164]Sanchez in the bottom half the Qb's...wow that was harsh! ouch! He only brought us to 2 AFC championship games. Last year we had a horrendous line and he was sacked like a potato bag/dummy b/c our OL was hot garbage at protecting him![/QUOTE] He DIDN'T DO CRAP. The first two years the Jet defense was outstanding. A top five unit. Look at Markey Marks' ratings. LOW. I am being generous saying bottom half. That would be maybe 17. Facts.

05-26-2012, 10:57 AM	#435
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,291	[QUOTE=palmetto defender;4478172]He DIDN'T DO CRAP. The first two years the Jet defense was outstanding. A top five unit. Look at Markey Marks' ratings. LOW. I am being generous saying bottom half. That would be maybe 17. Facts.[/QUOTE] To be fair, Mark definitely didn't put up HoF numbers either of those years, but he did something just as good. He DIDN'T fark things up too badly and at times, he was clutch and made some good throws. So, it would be wrong to say that he carried the team, but it would also be wrong to say that they got there in spite of him. If you will, he was Dilfer++ in that he managed the games pretty well, AND at times, did some really nice things.

05-26-2012, 11:27 AM	#436
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=Demosthenes9;4478072]So let me see if I have this straight. You make the asinine statement that "that [SIZE="4"][B]every expert[/B][/SIZE] has opined it would be impossible to fix". I then took the two seconds to demonstrate that you were talking out your ass by quoting an acknowledged expert who said that Tebow's mechanics could be fixed. And you want to say that I'm embarrassing ? Bwahahahahahahahaha, now that's funny. Truly, it is. Thanks for the laugh Counselor.[/QUOTE] No, you're an assinine idiot. Because one "acknowleded expert" says he can fix the impossible doesn't mean he can actually fix the impossible. Lots of folks claim they can do a LOT of things but they are grasping at straws. Yet your blind devotion to Tebow demands that you would dismiss basically everyone who has looked at Tebow over the past 7 years and said his windmill delivery can't be fixed, and make you point to the one or two outliers who SAY it can be fixed without any real plan or proof or anything about how that's supposed to be accomplished. That is some brilliant debating right there. You've convinced me, I'm not going to believe every expert who says Tim Tebow sucks at throwing, I'm going to believe a Tebow fan-boi looking for any evidence anywhere that says he's can be fixed as a thrower. Bwhahahahahahahahaaa, now that's funny. It truly is. Thanks for the laugh, Tebow Butt boy. _

05-26-2012, 11:33 AM	#437
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=sg3;4478085]I googled up this Tom Martinez expert says he can't be saying much or doing much about fixing the impossibly awful mechanics of your adored Timmy since he died in February[/QUOTE] Holy f*ck Demothsenes, the one EXPERT on the planet that can fix Tebow's delivery is...dead? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Martinez[/url] Oh, I get it, Tebow's going to visit him in heaven and in two weeks--poof--his delivery is going to be magically fixed. Brilliant. Stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Please try and conduct yourself with less agenda driven drivel on whatever team's board you start to troll next year. _

05-26-2012, 11:38 AM	#438
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=Sec340;4478091]I hope Tebow does a great job in everything else he's involved with and helps us win a Super bowl [B]but he's the worst passer I have ever seen.[/B] [/QUOTE] You don't know what you are talking about. Did you SEE his stats at Florida? And the Heisman Trophy? There are new guys here that have followed the Broncos for like a year and a half who have actually SEEN him with their own eyes and have seen stuff you and I haven't seen on TV--that most experts can't pick up on TV. The guy is an AWESOME thrower and he's going to get better when Tom Martinez fixes his looping windmill delivery. Two weeks top and he's going to have that nice compact tight delivery you want out of your QB. You wait. Awesome.

05-26-2012, 11:49 AM	#440
Kentucky Jet A NY JETS fan! Go Jets! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ormond Beach, Florida Posts: 10,876	[QUOTE=RoadFan;4477014]Schitty's gameplan often looked like it was designed by the opposing team's defensive coordinator.[/QUOTE] Especially when Schotty and his schemes brought us to two consecutive AFCCG with a raw and inaccurate QB. You are ridiculous! But fit right in with the Doom and Gloom crowd of hero worshippers! DUMP --- I am here: [url]http://tapatalk.com/map.php?klomab[/url]