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patman · 06-09-2012, 12:04 PM

[QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4487937]Disagree completely. (not about the blocking tho) they'll lock him up long term next year, for about 60-65% of what they gave Gronk. Hernandez is more of a hybrid WR than a pure TE. There's a place for that on this team.[/QUOTE]

I think he will expect more along the line of 6 years 40 mill with the same bonus structure of Gronk. Or maybe 4-24 extension so that his is a FA again when he is 27YO

10PennyToColes87 · 06-09-2012, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=Spectre;4487929]You have inside info?[/QUOTE]

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GuidoYaztremski · 06-09-2012, 12:17 PM

[QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4487950]Ultimately it means less money for the other Patriot holes that need filling.[/QUOTE]

yeah....kinda like santonio....

not.

Jordy · 06-09-2012, 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487663]You are going a long way to make a point here. I'm not sure what it is.

The Patriots have signed its 2nd most valuable offensive asset to a a very reasonable contract, by ANYONE'S assessment. His a weekly missmatch nightmare, and 28 TD's in just 2 years is a huge number (Holmes has 34 in SIX years. Sorry I couldn't help mayself)....AND he has upside.

That's all there is to it. The Pats have had their share of dumb contracts just like every team. Just look at the $5MM they paid Ellis and the $6MM they paid Ocho. Lee Bodden ate up a lot of money for just one good season out of 3. the only difference is that is very rare the the Pats get snagged with big money long term contracts that don't work out (a la Scott, Pace, Holmes, etc)

Personally I don't think the the non-signings of Branch, Seymour, Law, or Samuel cost the Pats any super bowl wins. But it is an interesting and on going debate for Pats fans as well. What people who believe that it has fail to consider is the effect that keep them would have made. What players would have been let go so the Pats could have kept Law, Samuel, etc.

I remember one discussion (to bring this all full circle) when the poster demonstrated that if the Pats don't trade Seymour, there IS no Gronk. :eek:[/QUOTE]
Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.

Spectre · 06-09-2012, 01:51 PM

[QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4487950]Ultimately it means less money for the other Patriot holes that need filling.[/QUOTE]

What holes? :rolleyes:

Cap situation changes every year, dead money frees up, increase in cap dollars available.

Last time Patriots had to make a big choice was between paying Wilfork or Seymour. Yeah, it's tough having to choose between Pro Bowlers.

Patriots Salary Cap Limit: $128,991,862
Current Patriots Total: $117,293,489
Current Estimated Cap Space: $11,698,373

Looks like Pats have plenty of room to sign their 2 rookies that are left and sign Hernandes to a new contract should they want to. Wes could even be signed to a 2 or 3 year deal and save more cap space.

I think BB knows what he's doing.

FF2® · 06-09-2012, 01:58 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4487977]Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.[/QUOTE]

C'mon Jordy, your better than that.

(it's TUUKKAA time!)

Tackleem · 06-09-2012, 03:48 PM

It strikes me that this deal is as good or bad as the arms of this year's D1 redshirt quarterbacks.

patsfanken · 06-09-2012, 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4487977]Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.[/QUOTE]First of all I didn't know you needed permission to discuss one of your posts. I didn't think you were having a private conversation. I was responding your ludicrous assertion that the Pats were losers because the haven't won a superbowl since 2004. And they haven't won another super bowl because they got rid of a lot players that they refused to pay top of the market rates to like Law and Samuel.

Hey I understand how frustrating it must be to see the Pats do it well, while the Jets wind up with millstone contracts like the ones you've given to Pace, Scott, and Holmes.

BTW- after all the talk, Gronks deal breaks down like this. Its really 2 four year deals. The first is for 4 years at an average of $4.55MM. Then after the 2015 season the Pats have an option for another 4 years at $9.3MM/yr

jetsfan920 · 06-09-2012, 04:25 PM

Guy is amazing at his position. Good move by the Pats. Bad for us.

32green · 06-09-2012, 04:27 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4487977]Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.[/QUOTE]

Get a grip. This is fake talk in cyber space.

:dunno:

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Spectre · 06-09-2012, 05:09 PM

[QUOTE=32green;4488044]Get a grip. This is fake talk in cyber space.

:dunno:

-[/QUOTE]

Why isn't there such a thing as a fake banning then :D

EternalChampion · 06-09-2012, 05:15 PM

He had a great season, but only 1, and that's when he came out of nowhere and teams weren't ready for him. Teams will be scheming for him now. He'll be a good but not great TE, and that's if he doesn't aggravate one of his existing injuries. Patriots could have taken a wait-and-see approach for one more season but wanted some headlines to distract from Kraft's gal-pal. Dumb move.

Redrew · 06-09-2012, 06:11 PM

The Pats control Gronk for 8 years now....but essentially this is two 4 year contracts. The first 4 years equate to what salaries Gronk would have been originally paid in the last 2 years of his rookie contract, the expected franchise $$$ in '14, and the expected franchise $$$ for '15 plus 20%= $18+ million. (1+1+7+9=18). Gronk gets some up front coin and Belichick gets to smooth out the cap #s.
After fours, the Pats have the option to continue with the contract or end it and let him hit the market.
Summary....4 years with a team option of 4 more years at double the cost.

Now if they can get Hernandez hooked into a two year extension similar to Gronks (1+1+7+9)....then the Patriots can lock up 170 catches/2200yds/25 TDs yearly (they hope) over the next 4 years at a total yearly cost of $9 mill/year combined.....that's a bargain any GM would kill for considering the production.

GuidoYaztremski · 06-09-2012, 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=EternalChampion;4488055]He had a great season, but only 1, and that's when he came out of nowhere and teams weren't ready for him. Teams will be scheming for him now. He'll be a good but not great TE, and that's if he doesn't aggravate one of his existing injuries. Patriots could have taken a wait-and-see approach for one more season but wanted some headlines to distract from Kraft's gal-pal. Dumb move.[/QUOTE]

This post is so far out there...even for this board. You can't be serious.

PatsFanTX · 06-09-2012, 10:54 PM

[QUOTE=EternalChampion;4488055]He had a great season, but only 1, and that's when he came out of nowhere and teams weren't ready for him. Teams will be scheming for him now. He'll be a good but not great TE, and that's if he doesn't aggravate one of his existing injuries. Patriots could have taken a wait-and-see approach for one more season but wanted some headlines to distract from Kraft's gal-pal. [B][U]Dumb move[/U][/B].[/QUOTE]

Dumb move to lock up the best TE in the NFL? :rolleyes:

Where do you guys come up with this crap?

FijiJet · 06-10-2012, 02:16 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4487452]So your first post in this thread about a patsie player signing a contract is to flame and be a troll and diss a Jets player.

Nice job Ken.[/QUOTE]
Usual boorish behaviour from our resident pigmy trolls. Child please...

sameoldjets · 06-10-2012, 10:33 AM

welker also cost his team an sb win. no matter how anyone wants to slice the last superbowl, if welker makes that catch it's game over.

but the real bottom line is how much guaranteed money gronkowski gets.

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487436]Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.[/QUOTE]

sameoldjets · 06-10-2012, 10:36 AM

not a dumb move to lock up a good player but if the money is true he's getting paid an awful lot for his position. how much of that is guaranteed?

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4488135]Dumb move to lock up the best TE in the NFL? :rolleyes:

Where do you guys come up with this crap?[/QUOTE]

Apache 51 · 06-10-2012, 10:38 AM

Who gives a sh*t.

GuidoYaztremski · 06-10-2012, 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=sameoldjets;4488235]not a dumb move to lock up a good player but if the money is true he's getting paid an awful lot for his position. how much of that is guaranteed?[/QUOTE]

For the moment, only his signing bonus ($8 M ) is guaranteed. His salary remains unchanged for the next 2 seasons. After 2015, the team has to exercise a $10M option which will mean he'd be under contract through 2019, and he gets $13m in skill guarantees and $18m for injury.

06-09-2012, 12:54 PM	#124
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487663]You are going a long way to make a point here. I'm not sure what it is. The Patriots have signed its 2nd most valuable offensive asset to a a very reasonable contract, by ANYONE'S assessment. His a weekly missmatch nightmare, and 28 TD's in just 2 years is a huge number (Holmes has 34 in SIX years. Sorry I couldn't help mayself)....AND he has upside. That's all there is to it. The Pats have had their share of dumb contracts just like every team. Just look at the $5MM they paid Ellis and the $6MM they paid Ocho. Lee Bodden ate up a lot of money for just one good season out of 3. the only difference is that is very rare the the Pats get snagged with big money long term contracts that don't work out (a la Scott, Pace, Holmes, etc) Personally I don't think the the non-signings of Branch, Seymour, Law, or Samuel cost the Pats any super bowl wins. But it is an interesting and on going debate for Pats fans as well. What people who believe that it has fail to consider is the effect that keep them would have made. What players would have been let go so the Pats could have kept Law, Samuel, etc. I remember one discussion (to bring this all full circle) when the poster demonstrated that if the Pats don't trade Seymour, there IS no Gronk. :eek:[/QUOTE] Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB. Last edited by Jordy; 06-09-2012 at 12:58 PM.

06-09-2012, 01:51 PM	#125
Spectre N40 48.79182 W74 4.48859 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 572	[QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4487950]Ultimately it means less money for the other Patriot holes that need filling.[/QUOTE] What holes? :rolleyes: Cap situation changes every year, dead money frees up, increase in cap dollars available. Last time Patriots had to make a big choice was between paying Wilfork or Seymour. Yeah, it's tough having to choose between Pro Bowlers. Patriots Salary Cap Limit: $128,991,862 Current Patriots Total: $117,293,489 Current Estimated Cap Space: $11,698,373 Looks like Pats have plenty of room to sign their 2 rookies that are left and sign Hernandes to a new contract should they want to. Wes could even be signed to a 2 or 3 year deal and save more cap space. I think BB knows what he's doing. Last edited by Spectre; 06-09-2012 at 02:04 PM. Reason: Added Patriot Cap with new Gronkowski contract

06-09-2012, 07:03 PM	#134
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,647	[QUOTE=EternalChampion;4488055]He had a great season, but only 1, and that's when he came out of nowhere and teams weren't ready for him. Teams will be scheming for him now. He'll be a good but not great TE, and that's if he doesn't aggravate one of his existing injuries. Patriots could have taken a wait-and-see approach for one more season but wanted some headlines to distract from Kraft's gal-pal. Dumb move.[/QUOTE] This post is so far out there...even for this board. You can't be serious. Last edited by GuidoYaztremski; 06-09-2012 at 07:12 PM.

06-09-2012, 12:04 PM	#121
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,160	[QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4487937]Disagree completely. (not about the blocking tho) they'll lock him up long term next year, for about 60-65% of what they gave Gronk. Hernandez is more of a hybrid WR than a pure TE. There's a place for that on this team.[/QUOTE] I think he will expect more along the line of 6 years 40 mill with the same bonus structure of Gronk. Or maybe 4-24 extension so that his is a FA again when he is 27YO

06-09-2012, 12:08 PM	#122
10PennyToColes87 Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoFla Posts: 15,377	[QUOTE=Spectre;4487929]You have inside info?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://img2.ranker.com/user_node_img/50007/1000136055/C300/yao-ming-rage-face-photo-u1.jpg[/IMG]

06-09-2012, 12:17 PM	#123
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,647	[QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4487950]Ultimately it means less money for the other Patriot holes that need filling.[/QUOTE] yeah....kinda like santonio.... not.

06-09-2012, 01:58 PM	#126
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,192	[QUOTE=Jordy;4487977]Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.[/QUOTE] C'mon Jordy, your better than that. (it's TUUKKAA time!)

06-09-2012, 03:48 PM	#127
Tackleem The phonetic spelling of how Phil Simms says 'tackle him" Practice Squad Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 308	It strikes me that this deal is as good or bad as the arms of this year's D1 redshirt quarterbacks.

06-09-2012, 04:15 PM	#128
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=Jordy;4487977]Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.[/QUOTE]First of all I didn't know you needed permission to discuss one of your posts. I didn't think you were having a private conversation. I was responding your ludicrous assertion that the Pats were losers because the haven't won a superbowl since 2004. And they haven't won another super bowl because they got rid of a lot players that they refused to pay top of the market rates to like Law and Samuel. Hey I understand how frustrating it must be to see the Pats do it well, while the Jets wind up with millstone contracts like the ones you've given to Pace, Scott, and Holmes. BTW- after all the talk, Gronks deal breaks down like this. Its really 2 four year deals. The first is for 4 years at an average of $4.55MM. Then after the 2015 season the Pats have an option for another 4 years at $9.3MM/yr

06-09-2012, 04:25 PM	#129
jetsfan920 Lets Get It Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,606	Guy is amazing at his position. Good move by the Pats. Bad for us.

06-09-2012, 04:27 PM	#130
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	[QUOTE=Jordy;4487977]Guess what? I wasn't talking to you Ken. Evidenced further by the fact you went off the topic I was discussing with the OTHER poster . So STFU you boring SOB.[/QUOTE] Get a grip. This is fake talk in cyber space. :dunno: -

06-09-2012, 05:09 PM	#131
Spectre N40 48.79182 W74 4.48859 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 572	[QUOTE=32green;4488044]Get a grip. This is fake talk in cyber space. :dunno: -[/QUOTE] Why isn't there such a thing as a fake banning then :D

06-09-2012, 05:15 PM	#132
EternalChampion In talks to purchase JetsInsider Practice Squad Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 381	He had a great season, but only 1, and that's when he came out of nowhere and teams weren't ready for him. Teams will be scheming for him now. He'll be a good but not great TE, and that's if he doesn't aggravate one of his existing injuries. Patriots could have taken a wait-and-see approach for one more season but wanted some headlines to distract from Kraft's gal-pal. Dumb move.

06-09-2012, 06:11 PM	#133
Redrew Jets Savant Practice Squad Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 317	The Pats control Gronk for 8 years now....but essentially this is two 4 year contracts. The first 4 years equate to what salaries Gronk would have been originally paid in the last 2 years of his rookie contract, the expected franchise $$$ in '14, and the expected franchise $$$ for '15 plus 20%= $18+ million. (1+1+7+9=18). Gronk gets some up front coin and Belichick gets to smooth out the cap #s. After fours, the Pats have the option to continue with the contract or end it and let him hit the market. Summary....4 years with a team option of 4 more years at double the cost. Now if they can get Hernandez hooked into a two year extension similar to Gronks (1+1+7+9)....then the Patriots can lock up 170 catches/2200yds/25 TDs yearly (they hope) over the next 4 years at a total yearly cost of $9 mill/year combined.....that's a bargain any GM would kill for considering the production.

06-09-2012, 10:54 PM	#135
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=EternalChampion;4488055]He had a great season, but only 1, and that's when he came out of nowhere and teams weren't ready for him. Teams will be scheming for him now. He'll be a good but not great TE, and that's if he doesn't aggravate one of his existing injuries. Patriots could have taken a wait-and-see approach for one more season but wanted some headlines to distract from Kraft's gal-pal. [B][U]Dumb move[/U][/B].[/QUOTE] Dumb move to lock up the best TE in the NFL? :rolleyes: Where do you guys come up with this crap?

06-10-2012, 02:16 AM	#136
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,439	[QUOTE=Jordy;4487452]So your first post in this thread about a patsie player signing a contract is to flame and be a troll and diss a Jets player. Nice job Ken.[/QUOTE] Usual boorish behaviour from our resident pigmy trolls. Child please...

06-10-2012, 10:33 AM	#137
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,481	welker also cost his team an sb win. no matter how anyone wants to slice the last superbowl, if welker makes that catch it's game over. but the real bottom line is how much guaranteed money gronkowski gets. [QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487436]Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.[/QUOTE]

06-10-2012, 10:36 AM	#138
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,481	not a dumb move to lock up a good player but if the money is true he's getting paid an awful lot for his position. how much of that is guaranteed? [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4488135]Dumb move to lock up the best TE in the NFL? :rolleyes: Where do you guys come up with this crap?[/QUOTE]

06-10-2012, 10:38 AM	#139
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,641	Who gives a sh*t.

06-10-2012, 10:47 AM	#140
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,647	[QUOTE=sameoldjets;4488235]not a dumb move to lock up a good player but if the money is true he's getting paid an awful lot for his position. how much of that is guaranteed?[/QUOTE] For the moment, only his signing bonus ($8 M ) is guaranteed. His salary remains unchanged for the next 2 seasons. After 2015, the team has to exercise a $10M option which will mean he'd be under contract through 2019, and he gets $13m in skill guarantees and $18m for injury.