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Old 06-08-2012, 03:57 PM   #21
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[QUOTE=JetMex;4487508][url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/08/darrelle-revis-i-want-to-retire-as-a-jet/[/url]

Posted by Josh Alper on June 8, 2012, 1:33 PM EDT

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There’s been a lot of speculation about whether Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis will hold out this summer.

In a lengthy interview with Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star-Ledger, Revis said that he has never asked for a new contract and that he will try to honor his current contract “the best way I can.” The obvious way to do that is to play under the terms of the deal, but Revis admitted that he’s looking for a multi-year extension that keeps him with the Jets for the long term.

“I want to retire here,” Revis said. “I think Mike (Tannenbaum) knows that. I think Rex (Ryan) knows that. (The Jets) drafted me, they gave me a chance, so yeah, I want to be here and never play for another organization again. If they feel that, if Mike feels that I’m that type of person to be here, then they will compensate me. If not, then it’s the business of it.”

Revis is much more likely to get paid at this time next year. If he were to hold out, which is pretty much his only card to play other than continuing to be one of the best defensive players in football, the Jets can add three years at $3 million per onto the end of his deal. Come next year, though, Revis will be entering the final year of a deal that does not permit the Jets to use the franchise tag on Revis. Revis seems to understand that.

“I could come here every day and make a hassle, ‘I want to get paid,’ but if they don’t want to do that — if Mike doesn’t want to do that — then they don’t want to do that,” Revis said. “It might be that way. It might be they want to do it, but they’ve got to figure out the best situation to get it done.”

[B]Revis’ best situation is obviously getting a deal done now and avoiding the possibility of an injury that would make it less desirable for the Jets next year. The Jets would be awfully silly to do that given the leverage they have over Revis at this point. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but all of the Revis chatter that’s popped up of late is really just an appetizer for next year. That’s when the Jets will have to sign Revis or risk losing him as a free agent after the 2013 season[/B].[/QUOTE]

Since Revis will have more leverage next summer, would it make sense for Jets to try and take care of long term deal this summer? I'd think a long term deal now would be more team friendly then next summer when Revis will have more leverage. Jets would have to take on more injury risk and pay Revis a year sooner, but I think it's at least worth exploring a long term deal now. If we have to make some cuts this season to free cap space, that's a sacrifice that could be worth making, since I don't think we're contenders anyway this year.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:18 PM   #22
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[QUOTE=JetFuel;4487574]Love Revis on the field but I am sick and tired of hearing about his contract.[/QUOTE]

Trade him now, before he starts playing his head games again.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:22 PM   #23
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[QUOTE=jpoppy7;4487665]Since Revis will have more leverage next summer, would it make sense for Jets to try and take care of long term deal this summer? I'd think a long term deal now would be more team friendly then next summer when Revis will have more leverage. Jets would have to take on more injury risk and pay Revis a year sooner, but I think it's at least worth exploring a long term deal now. If we have to make some cuts this season to free cap space, that's a sacrifice that could be worth making, since I don't think we're contenders anyway this year.[/QUOTE]

No chance. The Jets are extremely cash-strapped and would have to cut several high-profile players to make room. I'd have no problem exploring his contract next summer, but until then he can go kick ****ing rocks.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:31 PM   #24
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[QUOTE=OCCH;4487659]I am a fan of the TEAM -- why should I care that poor Revis needs an extra million or so to survive?

If he's so concerned about his health, go find another job -- I'll still be "bleeding green" long after he's gone . . .[/QUOTE]

That's sort of my point. He knows you don't care about him. But he has to.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:52 PM   #25
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Revis signed a 4 year contract that paid him total of about $40 million over the first three years of his contract.

That averages out to about $13.3 per year for the first three years and also puts Revis pretty much at the top of the CB pay scale over the course of those three years.

The plan was, on both Revis' side and the Jets' side to try and renegotiate the contract after the third year. Just like every other team in the league does with its stars, they don't let them get into free agency.

The Jets knew they were going to have to renegotiate after year three, that's why they agreed to the "no franchise tag" after four years with no hold out.

Revis knew the Jets would need to renegotiate after three years if they wanted to keep him. Thus, Revis agreed to the "no hold out" term of his deal.

It seems really simple to me, he plays this year, if he plays to an All-Pro level he will have earned another big pay day.

At that point the Jets need to decide if they want to pay him an average of $13 million plus a year from 2013 - 2017.

IMO - if Revis plays to an All Pro level he deserves every penny and I hope the Jets renegotiate after this year. If the Jets don't want to pay it. Revis plays 2013 for the 6-7 million left on his deal and become a free agent.

Revis is not holding out this year and the Jets are not renegotiating this year.

This is all media fueled speculation, fed by the fact that Revis isn't the most articulate person in the world and isn't savvy enough to answer the baited questions about his contract in a way that doesn't fuel more speculation.
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:09 PM   #26
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Amazing....that was the most backhanded "I want to be here" statement of all time.

I want the team to win, and I want our best players here obviously, but Revis is just arguably the most difficult player any team has seen in years. I understand where he is coming from, that he is the best player at his position and arguably the best defensive player in the league, but at the end of the day, the jets, his teammates, and honoring his contract don't mean A THING to him.

Im not saying he doesn't work hard, which he does, but what he is currently doing, regardless if the media is feeding the flames, hurts the team and there is no argument that it doesn't.

All he had to say is "I am under contract and all I care about is a Super Bowl." Let his agents and the Jets handle this behind the scenes...his quotes and talk are nothing but posturing and hurt his teammates and the organization.

Id love to see him sign a good deal and avoid a TC holdout and then dump his ass for a bunch of draft picks next spring!
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:38 PM   #27
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[QUOTE=bullitt929;4487605]Fans like us want the players to bleed the color of their team's jersey, and many of these fans will spew venom if a player dares to suggest that he's in it to get paid. But it's the players who are putting their bodies and their future health on the line. Revis is not a politician and does not care to be, and so he says out loud what every player knows, and every organization knows---it's a business. There is no player who has done more for a city and an organization than Peyton Manning, and he's a Bronco now, because of age and money. Is Revis supposed to think that it will be different for him if he publicly bleeds Jet green?[/QUOTE]


+1
great post bro. the player{ revis} is only putting as much honor behind the contract as the organization is. just imagine if he played like garbage last year, dont think for one second that tanny would not be entertaining offers from other teams.

anyone that believes otherwise probably still thinks that wrestling is real :rolleyes:
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:56 PM   #28
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[QUOTE=bullitt929;4487693]That's sort of my point. He knows you don't care about him. But he has to.[/QUOTE]

He can think whatever he wants. It's the "know better" fans who try telling us what we should or shouldn't feel about the situation that gets a little annoying . . .
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:20 AM   #29
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Revis needs to keep his mouth shut and play through 2012. After that, he can talk all he wants because the Jets WILL get him resigned. I am convinced of one thing in all of this, Woody Johnson will NEVER let Revis go to another team. NEVER.
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Old 06-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #30
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[QUOTE=bullitt929;4487605]Fans like us want the players to bleed the color of their team's jersey, and many of these fans will spew venom if a player dares to suggest that he's in it to get paid. But it's the players who are putting their bodies and their future health on the line. Revis is not a politician and does not care to be, and so he says out loud what every player knows, and every organization knows---it's a business. There is no player who has done more for a city and an organization than Peyton Manning, and he's a Bronco now, because of age and money. Is Revis supposed to think that it will be different for him if he publicly bleeds Jet green?[/QUOTE]

God Bless You sir.

I think Revis is actually exhibiting slightly MORE loyalty than the average star. But loyalty cuts both ways. We expect players to bleed green and we expect the front office to think of nothing BUT green. That's a sh**** double standard. I do believe there is a place for loyalty and sentiment in situations like this. But even that has a dollar value. I believe Revis when he says he wants to retire a Jet. But maybe that desire is worth a ten percent discount on his open market value. Do we really have any right to be ticked at him if T wants a 15 percent discount and he walks?
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:04 PM   #31
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[QUOTE=bullitt929;4487605]There is no player who has done more for a city and an organization than Peyton Manning, and he's a Bronco now, because of age and money. Is Revis supposed to think that it will be different for him if he publicly bleeds Jet green?[/QUOTE]

Manning was due to collect $28M on a deadline date his playing/career status was unknown. How could Irsay write the check?

Revis wants to protect himself and his future - understandably - by seeing how many golden nuts he can stuff in his cheeks like a chipmunk.

Meanwhile, a team doesn't want to get screwed by paying for services that are never rendered. And they shouldn't have to.

Football isn't the only physically hazardous occupation.

Players are paid extremely well, so well that if they go broke afterwards it's because of a lack of smarts, not money.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:21 PM   #32
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He's letting the team know he wants a new contract. He probably won't get it and when it's time to play he'll play like he has something to prove. I want him with a chip on his shoulder.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:33 PM   #33
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[QUOTE=IndianaJet;4487757]Revis signed a 4 year contract that paid him total of about $40 million over the first three years of his contract.

That averages out to about $13.3 per year for the first three years and also puts Revis pretty much at the top of the CB pay scale over the course of those three years.

The plan was, on both Revis' side and the Jets' side to try and renegotiate the contract after the third year. Just like every other team in the league does with its stars, they don't let them get into free agency.

The Jets knew they were going to have to renegotiate after year three, that's why they agreed to the "no franchise tag" after four years with no hold out.

Revis knew the Jets would need to renegotiate after three years if they wanted to keep him. Thus, Revis agreed to the "no hold out" term of his deal.

It seems really simple to me, he plays this year, if he plays to an All-Pro level he will have earned another big pay day.

At that point the Jets need to decide if they want to pay him an average of $13 million plus a year from 2013 - 2017.

IMO - if Revis plays to an All Pro level he deserves every penny and I hope the Jets renegotiate after this year. If the Jets don't want to pay it. Revis plays 2013 for the 6-7 million left on his deal and become a free agent.

Revis is not holding out this year and the Jets are not renegotiating this year.

This is all media fueled speculation, fed by the fact that Revis isn't the most articulate person in the world and isn't savvy enough to answer the baited questions about his contract in a way that doesn't fuel more speculation.[/QUOTE]

Facts and logic. Good post
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:49 PM   #34
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It would be stupid for Revis to hold out this year, he would lose the leverage he'll get if he just plays out the season. The Jets can't franchise tag him after this contract, so that 1 year left will put pressure on the Jets. If he holds out he better get a new contract otherwise he screwed himself, the Jets have shown no indications of being willing to get into contract talks this year.

In the end, I don't see him holding out and I think he just plays this season out.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:34 PM   #35
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[QUOTE=Tackleem;4488027]God Bless You sir.

I think Revis is actually exhibiting slightly MORE loyalty than the average star. But loyalty cuts both ways. We expect players to bleed green and we expect the front office to think of nothing BUT green. That's a sh**** double standard. I do believe there is a place for loyalty and sentiment in situations like this. But even that has a dollar value. I believe Revis when he says he wants to retire a Jet. But maybe that desire is worth a ten percent discount on his open market value. Do we really have any right to be ticked at him if T wants a 15 percent discount and he walks?[/QUOTE]

I'd love to know where this "bleed green" stuff comes from.

The guy got OVERPAID in the first two years, knowing that the third would be lower, and then the 4th would probably get renegotiated. This has nothing to do with him giving the Jets a "hometown discount" -- if he waits until next year, most fans would understand. But the fact that he's even HINTING there might be a problem this year -- IMO it's ridiculous anyone would even ATTEMPT to defend him . . .
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:35 PM   #36
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Drew Brees has not been at Saints OTAs because he's unhappy with his contract. He wants his $20M/yr.


Is Drew Brees not a team player?


Revis has been at every one of these (non-mandatory) workouts and people are whining about him being selfish.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:39 PM   #37
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[QUOTE=JB1089;4488077]Drew Brees has not been at Saints OTAs because he's unhappy with his contract. He wants his $20M/yr.


Is Drew Brees not a team player?


Revis has been at every one of these (non-mandatory) workouts and people are whining about him being selfish.[/QUOTE]

It's a given that he's selfish -- even his biggest supporters admit that.

The question is whether you're OK with that or not. Some just accept it, while others tired of it a while ago . . .
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:43 PM   #38
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[QUOTE=JB1089;4488077]Drew Brees has not been at Saints OTAs because he's unhappy with his contract. He wants his $20M/yr.

Is Drew Brees not a team player?

Revis has been at every one of these (non-mandatory) workouts and people are whining about him being selfish.[/QUOTE]

Season must be getting close b.c we are disagreeing. :)

Drew Brees is the only reason why the Saints are still in New Orleans. He has given that team and that part of the country more that they can ever repay. He is a QB and a SB champion.

What exactly has Revis done for the Jets or NY/NJ?

Then there is the fact the Brees played out his contract. Revis has not. Brees has honor. It is an insult to Brees to compare Revis to him.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:56 PM   #39
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[QUOTE=JB1089;4488077]Drew Brees has not been at Saints OTAs because he's unhappy with his contract. He wants his $20M/yr.


Is Drew Brees not a team player?


Revis has been at every one of these (non-mandatory) workouts and people are whining about him being selfish.[/QUOTE]

You do know that Brees is a FREE AGENT while Revis is currently under contract right?

The difference in being an UFA and consistently holding out while you are under contract is monumental, no reason even comparing the 2 things.

Oh and btw, Brees is a team leader and led his team to a SB win.

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Old 06-09-2012, 08:19 PM   #40
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[QUOTE=JB1089;4488077][B]Drew Brees has not been at Saints OTAs because he's unhappy with his contract. He wants his $20M/yr.[/B]


Is Drew Brees not a team player?


[B]Revis has been at every one of these (non-mandatory) workouts and people are whining about him being selfish[/B].[/QUOTE]

Revis has a contract for 2 more seasons; Brees's contract expired after last season.
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