(6) New Jersey Devils vs. (8) Los Angeles Kings: Stanley Cup Finals

[SMC]

Originally Posted by JStokes

Not the issue. It WASN'T a bad call. It was actually the correct call, Bernier should have gotten the major and been chucked. And it was an awful penalty kill and Brodeur did not look good at all during it.

Problem is, the hit should never have happened, they should have called the Kings for boarding on the Gionta hit seconds before.

No Bernier penalty, no 5 minute major power play, Devils on a power play, 0-0 score.

Not sour grapes, just feeling like it never should have happened.

Maybe the Kings win anyway, they were flying around, but Broduer was playing great up until that point.

The Bernier hit was clearly a major penalty and the Devils shat the bed during those 5 minutes.

Just never should have happened--changed the entire game and the Cup was basically awarded right there.


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Yeah, the Kings should have been called on the minor before then. But then you're turning this into a Star Trek episode with the space-time continuum and what would or wouldn't have happened afterwards.

The Devils were awful on the penalty kill all night so we have no idea what wouldve transpired afterward when they got another penalty.

As to the penalty on Bernier, I thought it was a minor, that's why I say it was a bad call. The blood was the difference.

[Apache 51]

Originally Posted by SMC

Yeah, the Kings should have been called on the minor before then. But then you're turning this into a Star Trek episode with the space-time continuum and what would or wouldn't have happened afterwards.

The Devils were awful on the penalty kill all night so we have no idea what wouldve transpired afterward when they got another penalty.

As to the penalty on Bernier, I thought it was a minor, that's why I say it was a bad call. The blood was the difference.

Awful PK.

[AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite]

Originally Posted by SMC

Yeah, the Kings should have been called on the minor before then. But then you're turning this into a Star Trek episode with the space-time continuum and what would or wouldn't have happened afterwards.

The Devils were awful on the penalty kill all night so we have no idea what wouldve transpired afterward when they got another penalty.

As to the penalty on Bernier, I thought it was a minor, that's why I say it was a bad call. The blood was the difference.

Awful on the PK all night? They shut it down for 4 mins straight on the Salvador high stick. Those ****in guys were exhausted.

[Vin]

Excuse me but :


Penalty Minutes

Devils 47

Kings 6



Just let that simmer in your brains a bit....






Devils got HOSED by that Major(which should've been a double-minor) and were hosed the entire game by the Refs.

Did you all see the one ref who GOT IN THE WAY of one of the Devils players, setting a PICK and thus leading to a Kings goal?


And people tell me that Hockey isn't fixed.....yeah, okay. It's approaching WWE levels of script-following fail.


Enjoy your Tainted Championship, Kings fans. Hope they engrave the two Refs as well on the Cup. They were your MVP's.




(Devils weren't even given a CHANCE to compete in this game, thanks to the Refs DELIBERATE actions of calling Penalties on the Devils but nothing on the Kings....and there were *plenty* to call on the Kings)

[Owen Reed]

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by SMC

Yeah, the Kings should have been called on the minor before then. But then you're turning this into a Star Trek episode with the space-time continuum and what would or wouldn't have happened afterwards.

The Devils were awful on the penalty kill all night so we have no idea what wouldve transpired afterward when they got another penalty.

As to the penalty on Bernier, I thought it was a minor, that's why I say it was a bad call. The blood was the difference.

No, I'm not. The Bernier hit WAS clearly boarding and should have been a major. I don't think that was a bad call at all.

But it never would have happended if an easy call was made on the Gionta hit.

It's not taking a play out of context and saying, for example, if Erik Smith makes a tackle we win the game.

The 5 minute major should never have occured--maybe the Devils don't get a penalty the rest of the game, maybe they get 5 more penalties and the Devils still lose 6-1. Maybe the Devils score on the power play had the non-boarding call on Gionta been made. Maybe not.

But the 3 goals in a 5 minute span never would have, never should have happened.

Spotting someone a 3 goal lead with Quick in goal sealed the game. We'll just never know.

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[Owen Reed]

Originally Posted by JStokes

No, I'm not. The Bernier hit WAS clearly boarding and should have been a major. I don't think that was a bad call at all.

But it never would have happended if an easy call was made on the Gionta hit.

It's not taking a play out of context and saying, for example, if Erik Smith makes a tackle we win the game.

The 5 minute major should never have occured--maybe the Devils don't get a penalty the rest of the game, maybe they get 5 more penalties and the Devils still lose 6-1. Maybe the Devils score on the power play had the non-boarding call on Gionta been made. Maybe not.

But the 3 goals in a 5 minute span never would have, never should have happened.

Spotting someone a 3 goal lead with Quick in goal sealed the game. We'll just never know.

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I wasn't watching.

Did the Devils pull the goalie during that 5 min PK?

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by Owen Reed

I wasn't watching.

Did the Devils pull the goalie during that 5 min PK?

The 5 minute PK didn't happen.

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[Vin]

Originally Posted by Owen Reed

Is that sarcasm or are you really upset?

[Austin]

Originally Posted by Vin

Is that sarcasm or are you really upset?

He's mocking you.

[FlagmanL11]

Originally Posted by JStokes

No, I'm not. The Bernier hit WAS clearly boarding and should have been a major. I don't think that was a bad call at all.

But it never would have happended if an easy call was made on the Gionta hit.

It's not taking a play out of context and saying, for example, if Erik Smith makes a tackle we win the game.

The 5 minute major should never have occured--maybe the Devils don't get a penalty the rest of the game, maybe they get 5 more penalties and the Devils still lose 6-1. Maybe the Devils score on the power play had the non-boarding call on Gionta been made. Maybe not.

But the 3 goals in a 5 minute span never would have, never should have happened.

Spotting someone a 3 goal lead with Quick in goal sealed the game. We'll just never know.

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1. Cross Check on Broduer about 90 sec into the game
2. Non-boarding call on Gionta as you said
3. The hold on kovy to set up the odd man rush for the 3rd goal

and that is just for starters. A friend of mine who is a Rangers fan said before the game that the Devils will not get a PP until the Kings are up 4-0. Did not think he would actually be right...

Of course there is no conspiracy going on where Bettman said not to call penalities on the Kings, but as one who watched the game with a bunch of people including Ranger fans, they even said the ref'ing was very one sided. It is easy for one ref to take it upon himself to call the game for the home team, esp with what was planned for LA last night party wise...

[Austin]

Not to troll, but for the people complaining about the officiating -- how about you don't go down 3-0 in the series in the first place?

Truth always is and always has been: if you take care of your business officiating never even comes into question.

[FlagmanL11]

Originally Posted by Austin

Not to troll, but for the people complaining about the officiating -- how about you don't go down 3-0 in the series in the first place?

Truth always is and always has been: if you take care of your business officiating never even comes into question.

Troll.... J/K But you do not want to see one sided ref'ing in any game

[SMC]

Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite

Awful on the PK all night? They shut it down for 4 mins straight on the Salvador high stick. Those ****in guys were exhausted.

But they were fresh for those 5 minutes when they gave up 3 goals.

[SMC]

Originally Posted by JStokes

But the 3 goals in a 5 minute span never would have, never should have happened.

Spotting someone a 3 goal lead with Quick in goal sealed the game. We'll just never know.

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But the refs didn't spot the Kings 3 goals. The Devils atrocious PK did.

Like AW noted, the Devils did kill Salvador's 4 minute double minor in the 2nd. If the Devils were up to the task in 1st period like they were in the 2nd it might have ended differently.

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by Austin

Not to troll, but for the people complaining about the officiating -- how about you don't go down 3-0 in the series in the first place?

Truth always is and always has been: if you take care of your business officiating never even comes into question.

I'm not actually complaining about the officiating--I don't believe in conspiracies or the league wants team A to beat team B or it's good for the league blahblahblah. The calls were legit calls.

The Kings were the better team, but the Devils had grabbed some momentum coming back.

My only quarrel is in missing such a crucial call, literally seconds later something that might never have happened happened and it changed the entire outcome of the game.

Devils STILL might have lost.

But maybe not.

You step off a curb one day and a bus runs you over, that'll change your day, had the bus just sped right past you whilst standing on the safety of the curb.

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[JStokes]

Originally Posted by SMC

But the refs didn't spot the Kings 3 goals. The Devils atrocious PK did.

Like AW noted, the Devils did kill Salvador's 4 minute double minor in the 2nd. If the Devils were up to the task in 1st period like they were in the 2nd it might have ended differently.

Again, you're missing my point. The Devils shat the bed during those 5 minutes. It was clearly the right call--the 5 minute major.

But the 5 minutes never should have happened.

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[AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite]

Originally Posted by SMC

But they were fresh for those 5 minutes when they gave up 3 goals.

No argument here, except a questionable no call on the third goal... But even two was too many. We're talking about the best PK in the league and it was hit or miss throughout the playoffs...

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by Vin

Devils got HOSED by that Major(which should've been a double-minor) and were hosed the entire game by the Refs.

I don't think there is a double minor call available when it's boarding. It's either a 2 or a 5.

That was definitely a 5. That was a nasty hit fellas. There's no denying that.

And for Devils fans to whine about reffing is hilarious. The crap that team got away with in the Rangers series was laughable but then, I can't say that, because I'd be a whiner too.

[rep]

Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite

Spoken like a rags fan...

Just spoken like a non-Devils fan really.

Does it suck that they missed that call? Sure. But as I said, I didn't hear any Devils fans offering any condolences when Gionta nailed Stepan in the face moments before scoring his goal that may very well have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

Originally Posted by Vin

Excuse me but :


Penalty Minutes

Devils 47

Kings 6



Just let that simmer in your brains a bit....

Why? They absolutely deserved just about all those penalties. After they realized that their season was likely over, they went open season on the Kings taking more than a few cheap shots. The refs recognized how embarrassing the Devils were acting and issued a few 10 minute game misconducts as a warning.

I mean exactly what penalty was called on the Devils that wasn't EXTREMELY obvious?

Originally Posted by Jordy

I don't think there is a double minor call available when it's boarding. It's either a 2 or a 5.

That was definitely a 5. That was a nasty hit fellas. There's no denying that.

And for Devils fans to whine about reffing is hilarious. The crap that team got away with in the Rangers series was laughable but then, I can't say that, because I'd be a whiner too.

According to the rules, a boarding penalty that causes injury is an automatic 5 minute major and game misconduct. What is an injury? Is bleeding and laying on the ground (understandably) for 2 minutes an injury? I would say an injury is one that actually causes a player to miss real time, but you can't exactly wait 5 minutes to see if a player is really hurt....