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Jordy · 06-20-2012, 09:56 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4495999]You have to be the most delusional poster on this board.

Holmes was the 62nd ranked WR in the NFL last year.

Top 5 WR's do not produce a pathetic 51 recetions for a measley 654 yards.

Top 5?

Now that is funny as hell.[/QUOTE]
He really said that?

Wow.

PatsFanTX · 06-20-2012, 09:58 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4496006]He really said that?

Wow.[/QUOTE]

Yep, Holmes averaged 3 catches a game for 40 yards, but he is a top 5 WR in the NFL according to sg3.

Funaz · 06-20-2012, 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=Untouchable;4495727]Yes, what a huge mistake.

It was so much of a mistake that Braylon was forced to sign a 1 year, $1 million deal in San Fran to be the #4 receiver on a team with one of the weakest receiving corps in the league and was then cut 4 weeks before the playoffs.

And he's still looking for a job.

Huge mistake that was. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Braylon might not have helped SF, but Holmes definately hurt the Jets.

If we offered Braylon 5 mil a season and Holmes 5 mil a season. We would have kept braylon for half the price we are paying holmes.

Braylon at 5 mil is 10x better value then Holmes at 10mil. Holmes is untradeable, and severly overpaid. Getting rid of Holmes at this point is better than bringing back Braylon, but the organization still made a big mistake giving a ton of money, then forcing captaincy on a jerk like Holmes.

People keep referencing no one liked Braylon, but I've yet to here anyone actually say that. This is all just BS and was used to defend the Holmes signing at the time. If anything its been proven that Holmes is a detriment to the lockerroom.

So yes, my initial statement is correct. Hopefully Hill pans out and Kerley can step into the #2 position away from Holmes.

Kentucky Jet · 06-20-2012, 05:56 PM

[QUOTE=JerseyJet80;4494344]I would take Edwards with one leg over Chaz Schilens[/QUOTE]

I am a fan of Edwards. But please tell us why you said what you did. Do you have info that we don't have? :eek:

NY2FLDWC85 · 06-20-2012, 06:22 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4495916]
Oh I know. Because you can't argue with them.

[/QUOTE]

Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland?

Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ?

Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF?

You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.

jetglass · 06-20-2012, 06:30 PM

[QUOTE=JetsCrazey;4494321]I like Braylon and he had a good rapport with Sanchez, but Stephen Hill is a beast and should be just as good, if not better.[/QUOTE]

Can I have some of what you are on?

Jordy · 06-20-2012, 06:30 PM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4496710]Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland?

Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ?

Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF?

You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

I don't think any of us have the answers to those questions.

Do you?

Did you answer my questions from earlier?

jetglass · 06-20-2012, 06:32 PM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4496710]Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland?

Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ?

Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF?

You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

For Cleveland there is no point in bringing a guy like Edwards, considering they are years away from contending either way. You would have to ask the 49ers for their reason. Appartently they were content with their wide receiver production of a whopping 2 catches for under 50 yards in the NFCG against the Giants.

NY2FLDWC85 · 06-20-2012, 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4496714]I don't think any of us have the answers to those questions.

Do you?

[/QUOTE]

I think I do. I think I know why 32 NFL teams haven't offered him an NFL contract as of yet. I think I not only know, but also understand some of the key reasons why Braylon Edwards is no longer on an NFL roster ala a free agent without a job.

It's because he's a 29 year old WR with previous off the field problems, a history of "the drops", locker room questions (personality wise), injury concerns and coming off a career low only putting up 15 receptions, 181 yards to go along with 0 TD's during 9 games of work.

On top of that, production wise, he's never been anything special at the WR position. He's always been a great run blocking WR but that's about it. Above average WR in regards to his career production. Never lived up to his talent, ability, potential or hype.

Yes, he had 1 career year where he put up 80 receptions, 1,289 yards and 16 TD's. He's been in the league for 8 years and only has one season of 1,000+ yards.

Outside of his "breakout season", which was back in 2007, Braylon Edwards has only averaged 37.2 receptions, 576 yards and 3.2 TD's per season throughout the course of his NFL career.

It's funny watching you cry over "Braylon Edwards".

2009fatman · 06-20-2012, 07:01 PM

Punktone doesn't want Braylon back with the Jets, and he's made it known to the FO. The selfish one, wants to be the diva on the team. The Holmes we saw in Miami last year, is the true Holmes. I just hope this kid Hill really shows something in pre-season, or we're going to be worse off then last year at WR. Sanchez needed Edwards back with the Jets this year in a big way, to get him back on track.

How any Jet fan can support Holmes, after what he pulled in the locker room and on the field last year amazes me.:confused:

sg3 · 06-20-2012, 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=2009fatman;4496728][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Punktone doesn't want Braylon back with the Jets, and he's made it known to the FO[/COLOR][/B]. The selfish one, wants to be the diva on the team. The Holmes we saw in Miami last year, is the true Holmes. I just hope this kid Hill really shows something in pre-season, or we're going to be worse off then last year at WR. Sanchez needed Edwards back with the Jets this year in a big way, to get him back on track.

How any Jet fan can support Holmes, after what he pulled in the locker room and on the field last year amazes me.:confused:[/QUOTE]

and you know this HOW??

or are you just pulling stuff out of your arse like usual??

Mainejet · 06-20-2012, 08:27 PM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4496710]Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland?

Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ?

Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF?

You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

You know what? You're right about all of the above. I'm not debating it.

However, and if you are willing to be truthful and honest is the fact that you CANNOT deny Braylon had chemistry with Sanchez. They hooked up for a lot of big plays over 2009 and 2010. You also cannot deny that the JETS (which is the most important thing here, not what we think about any player)made out better having BOTH Edwards and Holmes on the team. They complimented each other well and kept defenses honest.

He also came up big in playoff games. Maybe even bigger than Santonio Holmes? I remember Holmes reception in the corner of the end zone against the Patsies and that was great. But what Braylon's big time reception to set up the winning field goal against the Colts? What about Braylon DRAGGING two Patsy pro bowl defenders into the end zone for a TD. What about Braylon's 80 yard TD reception against the Colts in 2009?

So no matter how much you would like to discount Braylon Edwards you cannot explain those facts away.

My take on why Braylon isn't back is because although the Jets very much did want Braylon back last offseason, they felt his asking price was too high when their main priority was resigning Santonio Holmes. Holmes had the past statistics to warrant big money from the Jets, Braylon didn't.

detectivekimble · 06-20-2012, 08:28 PM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4495610]When he came to the Jets is a moot point. I was responding to a poster who stated that no one on the Jets currently has as much chemistry with Sanchez and Braylon did. I'll agree to disagree. The highest amount of receptions that Braylon put up during the two years that Braylon was with the Jets, was 53 receptions. He played an entire season that year. Dustin Keller on the other hand? He put up 55 receptions in 2010 and 65 receptions last year. After working with Sanchez for 4 years, I'd say that Dustin Keller has a lot more chemistry with Sanchez when compared to Edwards.

Santonio Holmes came to the Jets, and during his first couple of games, began catching game winning TD after game winning TD during 4th quarter performances. Since you've mentioned that Braylon Edwards missed 4 games with the Jets, lets not act like Santonio Holmes hasn't sat out 4 games with the Jets as well. In my eyes, Holmes is another pass catching option who has more chemistry with Sanchez when compared to Braylon Edwards. Who knows how any of these players feel about each other off the field (reports have it that Braylon wasn't liked by our locker room) but the only thing that truly matters is gameday. And come Sunday's? Holmes has been the much better WR when compared to Braylon Edwards.

During Braylon's first two seasons with the Jets (30 games). During Holmes first two seasons with the Jets (30 games).

Braylon Edwards: 88 receptions, 1,445 yards, 11 TD's, 67 first down receptions.

Santonio Holmes: 103 receptions, 1400 yards, 14 TD's, 70 first down receptions.

[B]He's out performed Braylon Edwards. Our front office made the right choice by going with Holmes over a Braylon Edwards, who wasn't wanted by our locker room to begin with.[/B] He's also a player in which has had a history of "the drops" throughout the course of his entire career. Santonio Holmes on the other hand? Has missed a total of 4 games during his entire career (not including the first 4 games of 2010). Holmes is also a little over 1 year younger than Braylon Edwards, without all of those injuries as well.

Why wouldn't I? We're talking about why the Edwards is still a free agent, right? It's because he played in 9 games last season (injured during 7 games) and could only put up 15 receptions, 181 yards and 0 TD's. Lets not act like he was injured the entire season, when he played 9 football games. The fact of the matter is this, he only averaged 1.6 receptions, 20.1 yards and 0.0 TD's per game as a 49er. Am I supposed to ignore the fact that we're dealing with a soon to be 30 year old WR with a history of both injuries and drops?

I'm sorry, but I'd rather go with a 21 year old athlete in Stephen Hill, who's 6'4/6'5, runs a 4.3 flat and also has outstanding (top of the line) leaping ability, especially over a 29 year old Braylon Edwards moving forward. He's been injured in the past, he was injured as recently as last season, he's had the history of drops throughout his entire NFL career and he's also coming off a career low in receptions, TD's and yards.

Our front office made the right move by going with Plaxico over Braylon last offseason. We've also made the right move by replacing an aging Plaxico with a very gifted/talented WR prospect in Stephen Hill.

Braylon is no longer a Jet. It's obvious that our locker room/coaching staff/franchise wanted nothing to do with him after the 2010 season. It's obvious that 31 other teams feel they have better options on their current roster instead of spending a single penny on Edwards. I trust that the 49ers also made the right decision in regards to not offering Edwards another contract, his career could be on the decline from here on out.[/QUOTE]

The locker room didn't want him back? Cromartie and Bryan Thomas have said they wanted him back, just this offseason. Show us ONE quote from a player saying he was a problem in the Jets locker room. And don't give us some crap about how players don't talk, because we can post several quotes from Jets players about Santonio Holmes.

And Santonio Holmes outperformed Edwards? Laughable. Edwards made him better. Look at Santonio's **** season as the "number one" receiver last year. Edwards put up better numbers, in the same offense the year before as the number one receiver. Edwards was also on the team in 2009, with a rookie QB.

Santonio Holmes is no stud. He's an opportunistic front-runner who will make plays here and there on a good team, where other players make things easier for him. The guy doesn't make anyone better and isn't scaring anyone as the main guy. Just look at last year. How many big or game winning plays did he have? 0.

And chemistry? Give me a break. In 2010, the Jets offense looked better than it ever had under Schottenheimer during the games Holmes was suspended. Holmes is a chemistry killer, just like Jeremy Shockey. The faster we ship this guy's ass out of town, the better.

cant wait · 06-20-2012, 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=detectivekimble;4496769]The locker room didn't want him back? Cromartie and Bryan Thomas have said they wanted him back, just this offseason. Show us ONE quote from a player saying he was a problem in the Jets locker room. And don't give us some crap about how players don't talk, because we can post several quotes from Jets players about Santonio Holmes.

And Santonio Holmes outperformed Edwards? Laughable. Edwards made him better. Look at Santonio's **** season as the "number one" receiver last year. Edwards put up better numbers, in the same offense the year before as the number one receiver. Edwards was also on the team in 2009, with a rookie QB.

Santonio Holmes is no stud. He's an opportunistic front-runner who will make plays here and there on a good team, where other players make things easier for him. The guy doesn't make anyone better and isn't scaring anyone as the main guy. Just look at last year. How many big or game winning plays did he have? 0.

And chemistry? Give me a break. In 2010, the Jets offense looked better than it ever had under Schottenheimer during the games Holmes was suspended. Holmes is a chemistry killer, just like Jeremy Shockey. The faster we ship this guy's ass out of town, the better.[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling it was more along the lines of woody didn't want braylon back... remember his daughter died from drugs and alcohol and I don't think the DUI thing went over lightly. if we didn't draft hill I could see them giving him another shot but it appears that window has closed for better or worse

Mainejet · 06-20-2012, 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=detectivekimble;4496769]The locker room didn't want him back? Cromartie and Bryan Thomas have said they wanted him back, just this offseason. Show us ONE quote from a player saying he was a problem in the Jets locker room. And don't give us some crap about how players don't talk, because we can post several quotes from Jets players about Santonio Holmes.

And Santonio Holmes outperformed Edwards? Laughable. Edwards made him better. Look at Santonio's **** season as the "number one" receiver last year. Edwards put up better numbers, in the same offense the year before as the number one receiver. Edwards was also on the team in 2009, with a rookie QB.

Santonio Holmes is no stud. He's an opportunistic front-runner who will make plays here and there on a good team, where other players make things easier for him. The guy doesn't make anyone better and isn't scaring anyone as the main guy. Just look at last year. How many big or game winning plays did he have? 0.

And chemistry? Give me a break. In 2010, the Jets offense looked better than it ever had under Schottenheimer during the games Holmes was suspended. Holmes is a chemistry killer, just like Jeremy Shockey. The faster we ship this guy's ass out of town, the better.[/QUOTE]

Nice response. Kudos.

Vin · 06-20-2012, 10:57 PM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4495610]
During Braylon's first two seasons with the Jets (30 games). During Holmes first two seasons with the Jets (30 games).

Braylon Edwards: 88 receptions, 1,445 yards, 11 TD's, 67 first down receptions.

Santonio Holmes: 103 receptions, 1400 yards, 14 TD's, 70 first down receptions.

[b]He's out performed Braylon Edwards.[/b][/QUOTE]

Holmes had way more receptions which is basically the ONLY thing he outperformed Braylon in.

Think about this, too :

103 Receptions to 14 TD's

Braylon had 88 Receptions to 11 TD's

BE scored only 3 less TDs than Holmes with way less Receptions. A Good percentage.

The Yards and the 1st downs are just about even, too.

I don't see where Holmes "outperformed" Braylon in this regard.

Hope that Stephen Hill outperforms Holmes so he can pitch another Hissy-fit like he always does.... If he thought Braylon outshined him when he was here, wait 'till he gets a load of Mr. Version 2.0. :yes:

[QUOTE=cant wait;4496778]I have a feeling it was more along the lines of woody didn't want braylon back... remember his daughter died from drugs and alcohol and I don't think the DUI thing went over lightly. if we didn't draft hill I could see them giving him another shot but it appears that window has closed for better or worse[/QUOTE]

Don't mean to sound callous but if that's really the case then Woody let his emotions get the best of him unfortunately to the detriment of the team.

We're all entitled to 2nd chances but BE never even got that. Of course, this is all speculation 'cause we'll never truly know....

but really....Who cares?

It's STEPHEN HILL TIME!!! :yes:

NY's stepchild · 06-20-2012, 11:26 PM

So anyone want to argue that Braylon was a polarizing personality?

Ray Ray19 · 06-20-2012, 11:43 PM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4495999]You have to be the most delusional poster on this board.

Holmes was the 62nd ranked WR in the NFL last year.

Top 5 WR's do not produce a pathetic 51 recetions for a measley 654 yards.

Top 5?

Now that is funny as hell.[/QUOTE]

Everybody that knows the game knows a WR's numbers are very dependent on the system he plays in, as much as it is his ability.

Put Holmes on some of the higher octane offenses in the league with a more experienced QB, he puts up big numbers.

Stop being a dumbass.

Is Holmes top 5 in the NFL, no, not in terms of stats, but stats don't tell the whole story.

Holmes is one of the top WR's in the league, top 10-15 is fair, in terms of his ability.

Demosthenes9 · 06-21-2012, 12:01 AM

[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4496904]Everybody that knows the game knows a WR's numbers are very dependent on the system he plays in, as much as it is his ability.

Put Holmes on some of the higher octane offenses in the league with a more experienced QB, he puts up big numbers.

Stop being a dumbass.

Is Holmes top 5 in the NFL, no, not in terms of stats, but stats don't tell the whole story.

Holmes is one of the top WR's in the league, top 10-15 is fair, in terms of his ability.[/QUOTE]

Is there a *bull***** smiley somewhere ? Holmes isn't in the top 10-15 in terms of stats, ability or talent, regardless of who is throwing to him or what offense he is in.

FijiJet · 06-21-2012, 12:11 AM

[QUOTE=Vin;4496874]Holmes had way more receptions which is basically the ONLY thing he outperformed Braylon in.

Think about this, too :

103 Receptions to 14 TD's

Braylon had 88 Receptions to 11 TD's

BE scored only 3 less TDs than Holmes with way less Receptions. A Good percentage.

The Yards and the 1st downs are just about even, too.

I don't see where Holmes "outperformed" Braylon in this regard.

Hope that Stephen Hill outperforms Holmes so he can pitch another Hissy-fit like he always does.... If he thought Braylon outshined him when he was here, wait 'till he gets a load of Mr. Version 2.0. :yes:

Don't mean to sound callous but if that's really the case then Woody let his emotions get the best of him unfortunately to the detriment of the team.

We're all entitled to 2nd chances but BE never even got that. Of course, this is all speculation 'cause we'll never truly know....

but really....Who cares?

It's STEPHEN HILL TIME!!! :yes:[/QUOTE]
CHURCH!!

06-20-2012, 06:57 PM	#189
NY2FLDWC85 Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 898	[QUOTE=Jordy;4496714]I don't think any of us have the answers to those questions. Do you? [/QUOTE] I think I do. I think I know why 32 NFL teams haven't offered him an NFL contract as of yet. I think I not only know, but also understand some of the key reasons why Braylon Edwards is no longer on an NFL roster ala a free agent without a job. It's because he's a 29 year old WR with previous off the field problems, a history of "the drops", locker room questions (personality wise), injury concerns and coming off a career low only putting up 15 receptions, 181 yards to go along with 0 TD's during 9 games of work. On top of that, production wise, he's never been anything special at the WR position. He's always been a great run blocking WR but that's about it. Above average WR in regards to his career production. Never lived up to his talent, ability, potential or hype. Yes, he had 1 career year where he put up 80 receptions, 1,289 yards and 16 TD's. He's been in the league for 8 years and only has one season of 1,000+ yards. Outside of his "breakout season", which was back in 2007, Braylon Edwards has only averaged 37.2 receptions, 576 yards and 3.2 TD's per season throughout the course of his NFL career. It's funny watching you cry over "Braylon Edwards". Last edited by NY2FLDWC85; 06-20-2012 at 07:01 PM.

06-20-2012, 10:57 PM	#196
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,121	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4495610] During Braylon's first two seasons with the Jets (30 games). During Holmes first two seasons with the Jets (30 games). Braylon Edwards: 88 receptions, 1,445 yards, 11 TD's, 67 first down receptions. Santonio Holmes: 103 receptions, 1400 yards, 14 TD's, 70 first down receptions. [b]He's out performed Braylon Edwards.[/b][/QUOTE] Holmes had way more receptions which is basically the ONLY thing he outperformed Braylon in. Think about this, too : 103 Receptions to 14 TD's Braylon had 88 Receptions to 11 TD's BE scored only 3 less TDs than Holmes with way less Receptions. A Good percentage. The Yards and the 1st downs are just about even, too. I don't see where Holmes "outperformed" Braylon in this regard. Hope that Stephen Hill outperforms Holmes so he can pitch another Hissy-fit like he always does.... If he thought Braylon outshined him when he was here, wait 'till he gets a load of Mr. Version 2.0. :yes: [QUOTE=cant wait;4496778]I have a feeling it was more along the lines of woody didn't want braylon back... remember his daughter died from drugs and alcohol and I don't think the DUI thing went over lightly. if we didn't draft hill I could see them giving him another shot but it appears that window has closed for better or worse[/QUOTE] Don't mean to sound callous but if that's really the case then Woody let his emotions get the best of him unfortunately to the detriment of the team. We're all entitled to 2nd chances but BE never even got that. Of course, this is all speculation 'cause we'll never truly know.... but really....Who cares? It's STEPHEN HILL TIME!!! :yes: Last edited by Vin; 06-20-2012 at 11:04 PM.

06-20-2012, 09:56 AM	#181
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4495999]You have to be the most delusional poster on this board. Holmes was the 62nd ranked WR in the NFL last year. Top 5 WR's do not produce a pathetic 51 recetions for a measley 654 yards. Top 5? Now that is funny as hell.[/QUOTE] He really said that? Wow.

06-20-2012, 09:58 AM	#182
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Jordy;4496006]He really said that? Wow.[/QUOTE] Yep, Holmes averaged 3 catches a game for 40 yards, but he is a top 5 WR in the NFL according to sg3.

06-20-2012, 05:53 PM	#183
Funaz Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,404	[QUOTE=Untouchable;4495727]Yes, what a huge mistake. It was so much of a mistake that Braylon was forced to sign a 1 year, $1 million deal in San Fran to be the #4 receiver on a team with one of the weakest receiving corps in the league and was then cut 4 weeks before the playoffs. And he's still looking for a job. Huge mistake that was. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Braylon might not have helped SF, but Holmes definately hurt the Jets. If we offered Braylon 5 mil a season and Holmes 5 mil a season. We would have kept braylon for half the price we are paying holmes. Braylon at 5 mil is 10x better value then Holmes at 10mil. Holmes is untradeable, and severly overpaid. Getting rid of Holmes at this point is better than bringing back Braylon, but the organization still made a big mistake giving a ton of money, then forcing captaincy on a jerk like Holmes. People keep referencing no one liked Braylon, but I've yet to here anyone actually say that. This is all just BS and was used to defend the Holmes signing at the time. If anything its been proven that Holmes is a detriment to the lockerroom. So yes, my initial statement is correct. Hopefully Hill pans out and Kerley can step into the #2 position away from Holmes.

06-20-2012, 05:56 PM	#184
Kentucky Jet A NY JETS fan! Go Jets! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ormond Beach, Florida Posts: 10,876	[QUOTE=JerseyJet80;4494344]I would take Edwards with one leg over Chaz Schilens[/QUOTE] I am a fan of Edwards. But please tell us why you said what you did. Do you have info that we don't have? :eek:

06-20-2012, 06:22 PM	#185
NY2FLDWC85 Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 898	[QUOTE=Jordy;4495916] Oh I know. Because you can't argue with them. [/QUOTE] Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland? Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ? Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF? You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.

06-20-2012, 06:30 PM	#186
jetglass Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,535	[QUOTE=JetsCrazey;4494321]I like Braylon and he had a good rapport with Sanchez, but Stephen Hill is a beast and should be just as good, if not better.[/QUOTE] Can I have some of what you are on?

06-20-2012, 06:30 PM	#187
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4496710]Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland? Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ? Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF? You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.[/QUOTE] I don't think any of us have the answers to those questions. Do you? Did you answer my questions from earlier?

06-20-2012, 06:32 PM	#188
jetglass Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,535	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4496710]Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland? Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ? Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF? You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.[/QUOTE] For Cleveland there is no point in bringing a guy like Edwards, considering they are years away from contending either way. You would have to ask the 49ers for their reason. Appartently they were content with their wide receiver production of a whopping 2 catches for under 50 yards in the NFCG against the Giants.

06-20-2012, 07:01 PM	#190
2009fatman Go Geno! All Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 6,794	Punktone doesn't want Braylon back with the Jets, and he's made it known to the FO. The selfish one, wants to be the diva on the team. The Holmes we saw in Miami last year, is the true Holmes. I just hope this kid Hill really shows something in pre-season, or we're going to be worse off then last year at WR. Sanchez needed Edwards back with the Jets this year in a big way, to get him back on track. How any Jet fan can support Holmes, after what he pulled in the locker room and on the field last year amazes me.:confused:

06-20-2012, 07:12 PM	#191
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,377	[QUOTE=2009fatman;4496728][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Punktone doesn't want Braylon back with the Jets, and he's made it known to the FO[/COLOR][/B]. The selfish one, wants to be the diva on the team. The Holmes we saw in Miami last year, is the true Holmes. I just hope this kid Hill really shows something in pre-season, or we're going to be worse off then last year at WR. Sanchez needed Edwards back with the Jets this year in a big way, to get him back on track. How any Jet fan can support Holmes, after what he pulled in the locker room and on the field last year amazes me.:confused:[/QUOTE] and you know this HOW?? or are you just pulling stuff out of your arse like usual??

06-20-2012, 08:27 PM	#192
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,871	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4496710]Why haven't the Cleveland Browns tried to bring Baylon back to Cleveland? Why haven't the New York Jets tried to bring Braylon back to NY/NJ? Why haven't the 49ers tried to bring a "healthy" Braylon back to SF? You know, the teams that he's previously played for. I guess you know Jordy, you just know more than the teams, coaches, former teammates etc, etc.[/QUOTE] You know what? You're right about all of the above. I'm not debating it. However, and if you are willing to be truthful and honest is the fact that you CANNOT deny Braylon had chemistry with Sanchez. They hooked up for a lot of big plays over 2009 and 2010. You also cannot deny that the JETS (which is the most important thing here, not what we think about any player)made out better having BOTH Edwards and Holmes on the team. They complimented each other well and kept defenses honest. He also came up big in playoff games. Maybe even bigger than Santonio Holmes? I remember Holmes reception in the corner of the end zone against the Patsies and that was great. But what Braylon's big time reception to set up the winning field goal against the Colts? What about Braylon DRAGGING two Patsy pro bowl defenders into the end zone for a TD. What about Braylon's 80 yard TD reception against the Colts in 2009? So no matter how much you would like to discount Braylon Edwards you cannot explain those facts away. My take on why Braylon isn't back is because although the Jets very much did want Braylon back last offseason, they felt his asking price was too high when their main priority was resigning Santonio Holmes. Holmes had the past statistics to warrant big money from the Jets, Braylon didn't.

06-20-2012, 08:28 PM	#193
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,996	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4495610]When he came to the Jets is a moot point. I was responding to a poster who stated that no one on the Jets currently has as much chemistry with Sanchez and Braylon did. I'll agree to disagree. The highest amount of receptions that Braylon put up during the two years that Braylon was with the Jets, was 53 receptions. He played an entire season that year. Dustin Keller on the other hand? He put up 55 receptions in 2010 and 65 receptions last year. After working with Sanchez for 4 years, I'd say that Dustin Keller has a lot more chemistry with Sanchez when compared to Edwards. Santonio Holmes came to the Jets, and during his first couple of games, began catching game winning TD after game winning TD during 4th quarter performances. Since you've mentioned that Braylon Edwards missed 4 games with the Jets, lets not act like Santonio Holmes hasn't sat out 4 games with the Jets as well. In my eyes, Holmes is another pass catching option who has more chemistry with Sanchez when compared to Braylon Edwards. Who knows how any of these players feel about each other off the field (reports have it that Braylon wasn't liked by our locker room) but the only thing that truly matters is gameday. And come Sunday's? Holmes has been the much better WR when compared to Braylon Edwards. During Braylon's first two seasons with the Jets (30 games). During Holmes first two seasons with the Jets (30 games). Braylon Edwards: 88 receptions, 1,445 yards, 11 TD's, 67 first down receptions. Santonio Holmes: 103 receptions, 1400 yards, 14 TD's, 70 first down receptions. [B]He's out performed Braylon Edwards. Our front office made the right choice by going with Holmes over a Braylon Edwards, who wasn't wanted by our locker room to begin with.[/B] He's also a player in which has had a history of "the drops" throughout the course of his entire career. Santonio Holmes on the other hand? Has missed a total of 4 games during his entire career (not including the first 4 games of 2010). Holmes is also a little over 1 year younger than Braylon Edwards, without all of those injuries as well. Why wouldn't I? We're talking about why the Edwards is still a free agent, right? It's because he played in 9 games last season (injured during 7 games) and could only put up 15 receptions, 181 yards and 0 TD's. Lets not act like he was injured the entire season, when he played 9 football games. The fact of the matter is this, he only averaged 1.6 receptions, 20.1 yards and 0.0 TD's per game as a 49er. Am I supposed to ignore the fact that we're dealing with a soon to be 30 year old WR with a history of both injuries and drops? I'm sorry, but I'd rather go with a 21 year old athlete in Stephen Hill, who's 6'4/6'5, runs a 4.3 flat and also has outstanding (top of the line) leaping ability, especially over a 29 year old Braylon Edwards moving forward. He's been injured in the past, he was injured as recently as last season, he's had the history of drops throughout his entire NFL career and he's also coming off a career low in receptions, TD's and yards. Our front office made the right move by going with Plaxico over Braylon last offseason. We've also made the right move by replacing an aging Plaxico with a very gifted/talented WR prospect in Stephen Hill. Braylon is no longer a Jet. It's obvious that our locker room/coaching staff/franchise wanted nothing to do with him after the 2010 season. It's obvious that 31 other teams feel they have better options on their current roster instead of spending a single penny on Edwards. I trust that the 49ers also made the right decision in regards to not offering Edwards another contract, his career could be on the decline from here on out.[/QUOTE] The locker room didn't want him back? Cromartie and Bryan Thomas have said they wanted him back, just this offseason. Show us ONE quote from a player saying he was a problem in the Jets locker room. And don't give us some crap about how players don't talk, because we can post several quotes from Jets players about Santonio Holmes. And Santonio Holmes outperformed Edwards? Laughable. Edwards made him better. Look at Santonio's **** season as the "number one" receiver last year. Edwards put up better numbers, in the same offense the year before as the number one receiver. Edwards was also on the team in 2009, with a rookie QB. Santonio Holmes is no stud. He's an opportunistic front-runner who will make plays here and there on a good team, where other players make things easier for him. The guy doesn't make anyone better and isn't scaring anyone as the main guy. Just look at last year. How many big or game winning plays did he have? 0. And chemistry? Give me a break. In 2010, the Jets offense looked better than it ever had under Schottenheimer during the games Holmes was suspended. Holmes is a chemistry killer, just like Jeremy Shockey. The faster we ship this guy's ass out of town, the better.

06-20-2012, 08:42 PM	#194
cant wait to silence the non-believers Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,980	[QUOTE=detectivekimble;4496769]The locker room didn't want him back? Cromartie and Bryan Thomas have said they wanted him back, just this offseason. Show us ONE quote from a player saying he was a problem in the Jets locker room. And don't give us some crap about how players don't talk, because we can post several quotes from Jets players about Santonio Holmes. And Santonio Holmes outperformed Edwards? Laughable. Edwards made him better. Look at Santonio's **** season as the "number one" receiver last year. Edwards put up better numbers, in the same offense the year before as the number one receiver. Edwards was also on the team in 2009, with a rookie QB. Santonio Holmes is no stud. He's an opportunistic front-runner who will make plays here and there on a good team, where other players make things easier for him. The guy doesn't make anyone better and isn't scaring anyone as the main guy. Just look at last year. How many big or game winning plays did he have? 0. And chemistry? Give me a break. In 2010, the Jets offense looked better than it ever had under Schottenheimer during the games Holmes was suspended. Holmes is a chemistry killer, just like Jeremy Shockey. The faster we ship this guy's ass out of town, the better.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling it was more along the lines of woody didn't want braylon back... remember his daughter died from drugs and alcohol and I don't think the DUI thing went over lightly. if we didn't draft hill I could see them giving him another shot but it appears that window has closed for better or worse

06-20-2012, 09:22 PM	#195
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,871	[QUOTE=detectivekimble;4496769]The locker room didn't want him back? Cromartie and Bryan Thomas have said they wanted him back, just this offseason. Show us ONE quote from a player saying he was a problem in the Jets locker room. And don't give us some crap about how players don't talk, because we can post several quotes from Jets players about Santonio Holmes. And Santonio Holmes outperformed Edwards? Laughable. Edwards made him better. Look at Santonio's **** season as the "number one" receiver last year. Edwards put up better numbers, in the same offense the year before as the number one receiver. Edwards was also on the team in 2009, with a rookie QB. Santonio Holmes is no stud. He's an opportunistic front-runner who will make plays here and there on a good team, where other players make things easier for him. The guy doesn't make anyone better and isn't scaring anyone as the main guy. Just look at last year. How many big or game winning plays did he have? 0. And chemistry? Give me a break. In 2010, the Jets offense looked better than it ever had under Schottenheimer during the games Holmes was suspended. Holmes is a chemistry killer, just like Jeremy Shockey. The faster we ship this guy's ass out of town, the better.[/QUOTE] Nice response. Kudos.

06-20-2012, 11:26 PM	#197
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,713	So anyone want to argue that Braylon was a polarizing personality?

06-20-2012, 11:43 PM	#198
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,814	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4495999]You have to be the most delusional poster on this board. Holmes was the 62nd ranked WR in the NFL last year. Top 5 WR's do not produce a pathetic 51 recetions for a measley 654 yards. Top 5? Now that is funny as hell.[/QUOTE] Everybody that knows the game knows a WR's numbers are very dependent on the system he plays in, as much as it is his ability. Put Holmes on some of the higher octane offenses in the league with a more experienced QB, he puts up big numbers. Stop being a dumbass. Is Holmes top 5 in the NFL, no, not in terms of stats, but stats don't tell the whole story. Holmes is one of the top WR's in the league, top 10-15 is fair, in terms of his ability.

06-21-2012, 12:01 AM	#199
Demosthenes9 PimpAssedAvatar Thanks McGinley :) Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,291	[QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4496904]Everybody that knows the game knows a WR's numbers are very dependent on the system he plays in, as much as it is his ability. Put Holmes on some of the higher octane offenses in the league with a more experienced QB, he puts up big numbers. Stop being a dumbass. Is Holmes top 5 in the NFL, no, not in terms of stats, but stats don't tell the whole story. Holmes is one of the top WR's in the league, top 10-15 is fair, in terms of his ability.[/QUOTE] Is there a bull**** smiley somewhere ? Holmes isn't in the top 10-15 in terms of stats, ability or talent, regardless of who is throwing to him or what offense he is in.

06-21-2012, 12:11 AM	#200
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,438	[QUOTE=Vin;4496874]Holmes had way more receptions which is basically the ONLY thing he outperformed Braylon in. Think about this, too : 103 Receptions to 14 TD's Braylon had 88 Receptions to 11 TD's BE scored only 3 less TDs than Holmes with way less Receptions. A Good percentage. The Yards and the 1st downs are just about even, too. I don't see where Holmes "outperformed" Braylon in this regard. Hope that Stephen Hill outperforms Holmes so he can pitch another Hissy-fit like he always does.... If he thought Braylon outshined him when he was here, wait 'till he gets a load of Mr. Version 2.0. :yes: Don't mean to sound callous but if that's really the case then Woody let his emotions get the best of him unfortunately to the detriment of the team. We're all entitled to 2nd chances but BE never even got that. Of course, this is all speculation 'cause we'll never truly know.... but really....Who cares? It's STEPHEN HILL TIME!!! :yes:[/QUOTE] CHURCH!!