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detectivekimble · 06-23-2012, 07:58 PM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4498261]LOL. This is why I believe that you don't watch any NFL games or follow the NFL unless it affects the Jets.

Your opinion is based on watching the game? LOL. Okay.

Burress left Pittsburg [B]2 seasons before[/B] Holmes came into the league.

:shakehead:shakehead[/QUOTE]

Glad you pointed out that when Holmes was drafted by Pittsburgh, Burress had been long gone. Reading Ray Ray's posts are always a struggle.

At least when you and I go back and forth, it's a good football discussion.

As for Holmes, AT BEST, he's a top 25 WR in the league. Here are Holmes' weaknesses:

1) He doesn't have any physical advantages over most of the CBs he goes against. In other words, he isn't any bigger, stronger, or faster than them. He's a sub 6'0" WR with high 4.4s/low 4.5s speed.

2) Related to the above, he's not very strong. If you watch him play, he's very easy to tackle and goes down easily.

3) He can't take a good lick. If you pop him, he will put the ball on the ground.

4) Poor work ethic/front runner. He doesn't work hard, and when things don't go his way, he checks out.

5) Useless if the ball isn't coming his way. He'll go half speed, won't block, etc.

To his credit, he's got great body control and feet. He also won't wilt under pressure. Unfortunately, that's not enough to make you a #1 WR.

detectivekimble · 06-23-2012, 08:02 PM

[QUOTE=Mogglez;4498061]Braylon has been around for 8 seasons and has had only one 1,000 yard season as well. Last year he didn't have a great year by any stretch of the imagination but that shouldn't take away anything he's done. He's a clutch WR with some of the best routes and hands in football and besides last year he's been a very productive wide receiver who'd deadly in space and when it matters most. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Holmes is easily in the [B]10-15 range[/B] at least and anyone that thinks that is ridiculous is just still really butthurt by what happened down in Miami last year.[/QUOTE]

Sure, he is. :roll eyes:

sg3 · 06-23-2012, 08:04 PM

[QUOTE=Mogglez;4498061]Braylon has been around for 8 seasons and has had only one 1,000 yard season as well. Last year he didn't have a great year by any stretch of the imagination but that shouldn't take away anything he's done. He's a clutch WR with some of the best routes and hands in football and besides last year he's been a very productive wide receiver who'd deadly in space and when it matters most. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Holmes is easily in the 10-15 range at least and anyone that thinks that is ridiculous is just still really butthurt by what happened down in Miami last year.[/QUOTE]

top 10 at least

glad the Jets have him

Vin · 06-23-2012, 09:51 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;4499326]top 10 at least

glad the Jets have him[/QUOTE]

can't the say the same about you, though, as far as whether this board is "glad to have you". :rolleyes:

sg3 · 06-23-2012, 10:16 PM

Not that concerned about your brilliant opinion frankly

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Jungle Shift Jet · 06-23-2012, 11:13 PM

NY2FL - moved to FL from NY (e.g.to Tampa)

DWC

85 - birth year (who cares)

Vin · 06-23-2012, 11:56 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;4499352]Not that concerned about your brilliant opinion frankly

Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2[/QUOTE]

Believe me. Your opinions are just as "popular". :rolleyes:

Limolady · 06-24-2012, 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4498054]Well rumor has it that the plan is to pray we don't need them.[/QUOTE]

Haha, Plan G. I have to believe that God has a great sense of humor. Professional athletes may find religion as a source of strength & I agree with that, but I also believe God has helpers who come in many forms, all you have to do is believe.

As for this topic, I was done with it when the player got cut. Two years ago. Camp is only a month away. Thank you God & his particpating helpers. (-:

NY2FLDWC85 · 06-24-2012, 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=Limolady;4499531]Haha, Plan G. I have to believe that God has a great sense of humor. Professional athletes may find religion as a source of strength & I agree with that, but I also believe God has helpers who come in many forms, all you have to do is believe.

As for this topic, I was done with it when the player got cut. Two years ago. Camp is only a month away. Thank you God & his particpating helpers. (-:[/QUOTE]

Well said Limolady, well said.

10PennyToColes87 · 06-24-2012, 01:07 PM

[QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4499365]NY2FL - moved to FL from NY (e.g.to Tampa)

DWC

85 - birth year (who cares)[/QUOTE]

Nothing gets passed you.

Joe W. Namath · 06-24-2012, 01:44 PM

You could put holmes somewhere between 25-30 regarding the top wideouts in the league. Although coles was close, we havent had a top 10 wr since keyshawn.

Stephen Hill has the measurables to be a top 10 receiver. Lets hope he pans out.

NY2FLDWC85 · 06-24-2012, 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4499564]You could put holmes somewhere between 25-30 regarding the top wideouts in the league. Although coles was close, we havent had a top 10 wr since keyshawn.

Stephen Hill has the measurables to be a top 10 receiver. Lets hope he pans out.[/QUOTE]

That's laughable.

I'd like to see a list of 25-30 WR's who've been more successful over the years when compared to a prime Holmes who's only 28 years of age. Holmes is one of the greatest route runners in the game today, strong hands, comes up big during clutch situations and knows how to work opposing CB's.

NY's stepchild · 06-24-2012, 09:00 PM

Okay 252 posts. Any progress yet? can we have a poll asking whether you think any progress has been made?

Jungle Shift Jet · 06-24-2012, 11:29 PM

[QUOTE=10PennyToColes87;4499551]Nothing gets passed you.[/QUOTE]

Your spelling stinks too.

Jordy · 06-25-2012, 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4499668]That's laughable.

I'd like to see a list of 25-30 WR's who've been more successful over the years when compared to a prime Holmes who's only 28 years of age. Holmes is one of the greatest route runners in the game today, strong hands, comes up big during clutch situations and knows how to work opposing CB's.[/QUOTE]
By the way, where does Ladainian rank all-time in your opinion?

NY2FLDWC85 · 06-25-2012, 11:57 AM

[QUOTE=Jordy;4499916]By the way, where does Ladainian rank all-time in your opinion?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure about all-time, because I've only watched football dating back to the early 90's; but Tomlinson is the 2nd greatest running back that I've ever seen, only behind Barry Sanders throughout the 90's. During 10 seasons of play; Sanders averaged 1,526 rushing yards per season, an average of 5.0 yards per rushing attempt (behind makeshift offensive lines), 9.9 rushing TD's per season. Not only that, but Barry also averaged 35.2 receptions, 292.1 receiving yards and 1 receiving TD per season. I've yet to see a running back with Barry's pure ability/talent since Barry himself. So thankful that I had a chance to witness his greatness as a kid growing up.

L.T was something special during his prime SD years as a Charger in his own right. Without question the 2nd greatest back of my era.

I also thought that Adrian Peterson was the greatest example of size, speed and power that I've witnessed play the game of football (in regards to the RB position). Peterson has already climbed his way up (in my eyes) as the 3rd greatest back that I've ever seen. Time will tell how he recovers from last years season ending injury. Hopefully he recovers 100%, because I've loved watching AP perform over the years.

Charlie Brown · 06-25-2012, 12:02 PM

[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4500017]I'm not sure about all-time, because I've only watched football dating back to the early 90's; but Tomlinson is the 2nd greatest running back that I've ever seen, only behind Barry Sanders throughout the 90's. During 10 seasons of play; Sanders averaged 1,526 rushing yards per season, an average of 5.0 yards per rushing attempt (behind makeshift offensive lines), 9.9 rushing TD's per season. Not only that, but Barry also averaged 35.2 receptions, 292.1 receiving yards and 1 receiving TD per season. I've yet to see a running back with Barry's pure ability/talent since Barry himself. So thankful that I had a chance to witness his greatness as a kid growing up.

L.T was something special during his prime SD years as a Charger in his own right. Without question the 2nd greatest back of my era.

I also thought that Adrian Peterson was the greatest example of size, speed and power that I've witnessed play the game of football (in regards to the RB position). Peterson has already climbed his way up (in my eyes) as the 3rd greatest back that I've ever seen. Time will tell how he recovers from last years season ending injury. Hopefully he recovers 100%, because I've loved watching AP perform over the years.[/QUOTE]

Very nice post!!!

06-23-2012, 07:58 PM	#241
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,996	[QUOTE=Jordy;4498261]LOL. This is why I believe that you don't watch any NFL games or follow the NFL unless it affects the Jets. Your opinion is based on watching the game? LOL. Okay. Burress left Pittsburg [B]2 seasons before[/B] Holmes came into the league. :shakehead:shakehead[/QUOTE] Glad you pointed out that when Holmes was drafted by Pittsburgh, Burress had been long gone. Reading Ray Ray's posts are always a struggle. At least when you and I go back and forth, it's a good football discussion. As for Holmes, AT BEST, he's a top 25 WR in the league. Here are Holmes' weaknesses: 1) He doesn't have any physical advantages over most of the CBs he goes against. In other words, he isn't any bigger, stronger, or faster than them. He's a sub 6'0" WR with high 4.4s/low 4.5s speed. 2) Related to the above, he's not very strong. If you watch him play, he's very easy to tackle and goes down easily. 3) He can't take a good lick. If you pop him, he will put the ball on the ground. 4) Poor work ethic/front runner. He doesn't work hard, and when things don't go his way, he checks out. 5) Useless if the ball isn't coming his way. He'll go half speed, won't block, etc. To his credit, he's got great body control and feet. He also won't wilt under pressure. Unfortunately, that's not enough to make you a #1 WR.

06-23-2012, 08:02 PM	#242
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,996	[QUOTE=Mogglez;4498061]Braylon has been around for 8 seasons and has had only one 1,000 yard season as well. Last year he didn't have a great year by any stretch of the imagination but that shouldn't take away anything he's done. He's a clutch WR with some of the best routes and hands in football and besides last year he's been a very productive wide receiver who'd deadly in space and when it matters most. Stats don't always tell the whole story. Holmes is easily in the [B]10-15 range[/B] at least and anyone that thinks that is ridiculous is just still really butthurt by what happened down in Miami last year.[/QUOTE] Sure, he is. :roll eyes:

06-23-2012, 08:04 PM	#243
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,403	[QUOTE=Mogglez;4498061]Braylon has been around for 8 seasons and has had only one 1,000 yard season as well. Last year he didn't have a great year by any stretch of the imagination but that shouldn't take away anything he's done. He's a clutch WR with some of the best routes and hands in football and besides last year he's been a very productive wide receiver who'd deadly in space and when it matters most. Stats don't always tell the whole story. Holmes is easily in the 10-15 range at least and anyone that thinks that is ridiculous is just still really butthurt by what happened down in Miami last year.[/QUOTE] top 10 at least glad the Jets have him

06-23-2012, 09:51 PM	#244
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,132	[QUOTE=sg3;4499326]top 10 at least glad the Jets have him[/QUOTE] can't the say the same about you, though, as far as whether this board is "glad to have you". :rolleyes:

06-23-2012, 10:16 PM	#245
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,403	Not that concerned about your brilliant opinion frankly Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2

06-23-2012, 11:13 PM	#246
Jungle Shift Jet Occasionally stoops to uploading hotties pix to boost his postcount All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alive with a superior intellect in an erudite world of fine tastes that you will never, EVER acquire Posts: 5,043	NY2FL - moved to FL from NY (e.g.to Tampa) DWC 85 - birth year (who cares)

06-23-2012, 11:56 PM	#247
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,132	[QUOTE=sg3;4499352]Not that concerned about your brilliant opinion frankly Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2[/QUOTE] Believe me. Your opinions are just as "popular". :rolleyes:

06-24-2012, 12:21 PM	#248
Limolady Here On A "Need To Know" Basis. Jets Insider VIP Super*****/Prom Queen Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,399	[QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4498054]Well rumor has it that the plan is to pray we don't need them.[/QUOTE] Haha, Plan G. I have to believe that God has a great sense of humor. Professional athletes may find religion as a source of strength & I agree with that, but I also believe God has helpers who come in many forms, all you have to do is believe. As for this topic, I was done with it when the player got cut. Two years ago. Camp is only a month away. Thank you God & his particpating helpers. (-:

06-24-2012, 01:02 PM	#249
NY2FLDWC85 Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 898	[QUOTE=Limolady;4499531]Haha, Plan G. I have to believe that God has a great sense of humor. Professional athletes may find religion as a source of strength & I agree with that, but I also believe God has helpers who come in many forms, all you have to do is believe. As for this topic, I was done with it when the player got cut. Two years ago. Camp is only a month away. Thank you God & his particpating helpers. (-:[/QUOTE] Well said Limolady, well said.

06-24-2012, 01:07 PM	#250
10PennyToColes87 Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoFla Posts: 15,381	[QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4499365]NY2FL - moved to FL from NY (e.g.to Tampa) DWC 85 - birth year (who cares)[/QUOTE] Nothing gets passed you.

06-24-2012, 01:44 PM	#251
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,829	You could put holmes somewhere between 25-30 regarding the top wideouts in the league. Although coles was close, we havent had a top 10 wr since keyshawn. Stephen Hill has the measurables to be a top 10 receiver. Lets hope he pans out.

06-24-2012, 08:43 PM	#252
NY2FLDWC85 Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 898	[QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4499564]You could put holmes somewhere between 25-30 regarding the top wideouts in the league. Although coles was close, we havent had a top 10 wr since keyshawn. Stephen Hill has the measurables to be a top 10 receiver. Lets hope he pans out.[/QUOTE] That's laughable. I'd like to see a list of 25-30 WR's who've been more successful over the years when compared to a prime Holmes who's only 28 years of age. Holmes is one of the greatest route runners in the game today, strong hands, comes up big during clutch situations and knows how to work opposing CB's.

06-24-2012, 09:00 PM	#253
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,714	Okay 252 posts. Any progress yet? can we have a poll asking whether you think any progress has been made?

06-24-2012, 11:29 PM	#254
Jungle Shift Jet Occasionally stoops to uploading hotties pix to boost his postcount All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alive with a superior intellect in an erudite world of fine tastes that you will never, EVER acquire Posts: 5,043	[QUOTE=10PennyToColes87;4499551]Nothing gets passed you.[/QUOTE] Your spelling stinks too.

06-25-2012, 10:14 AM	#255
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4499668]That's laughable. I'd like to see a list of 25-30 WR's who've been more successful over the years when compared to a prime Holmes who's only 28 years of age. Holmes is one of the greatest route runners in the game today, strong hands, comes up big during clutch situations and knows how to work opposing CB's.[/QUOTE] By the way, where does Ladainian rank all-time in your opinion?

06-25-2012, 11:57 AM	#256
NY2FLDWC85 Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 898	[QUOTE=Jordy;4499916]By the way, where does Ladainian rank all-time in your opinion?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure about all-time, because I've only watched football dating back to the early 90's; but Tomlinson is the 2nd greatest running back that I've ever seen, only behind Barry Sanders throughout the 90's. During 10 seasons of play; Sanders averaged 1,526 rushing yards per season, an average of 5.0 yards per rushing attempt (behind makeshift offensive lines), 9.9 rushing TD's per season. Not only that, but Barry also averaged 35.2 receptions, 292.1 receiving yards and 1 receiving TD per season. I've yet to see a running back with Barry's pure ability/talent since Barry himself. So thankful that I had a chance to witness his greatness as a kid growing up. L.T was something special during his prime SD years as a Charger in his own right. Without question the 2nd greatest back of my era. I also thought that Adrian Peterson was the greatest example of size, speed and power that I've witnessed play the game of football (in regards to the RB position). Peterson has already climbed his way up (in my eyes) as the 3rd greatest back that I've ever seen. Time will tell how he recovers from last years season ending injury. Hopefully he recovers 100%, because I've loved watching AP perform over the years.

06-25-2012, 12:02 PM	#257
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,529	[QUOTE=NY2FLDWC85;4500017]I'm not sure about all-time, because I've only watched football dating back to the early 90's; but Tomlinson is the 2nd greatest running back that I've ever seen, only behind Barry Sanders throughout the 90's. During 10 seasons of play; Sanders averaged 1,526 rushing yards per season, an average of 5.0 yards per rushing attempt (behind makeshift offensive lines), 9.9 rushing TD's per season. Not only that, but Barry also averaged 35.2 receptions, 292.1 receiving yards and 1 receiving TD per season. I've yet to see a running back with Barry's pure ability/talent since Barry himself. So thankful that I had a chance to witness his greatness as a kid growing up. L.T was something special during his prime SD years as a Charger in his own right. Without question the 2nd greatest back of my era. I also thought that Adrian Peterson was the greatest example of size, speed and power that I've witnessed play the game of football (in regards to the RB position). Peterson has already climbed his way up (in my eyes) as the 3rd greatest back that I've ever seen. Time will tell how he recovers from last years season ending injury. Hopefully he recovers 100%, because I've loved watching AP perform over the years.[/QUOTE] Very nice post!!!