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JetPotato · 06-28-2012, 09:44 AM

If the mandate (or the entire bill even) is overturned today, how long are you going to whine about it being a politicized, partisan decision by the SCOTUS? When will you get over the outrage long enough to start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform?

;)

majormajor42 · 06-28-2012, 05:37 PM

There's no reason to not have that conversation no matter what the outcome was.

PlumberKhan · 06-28-2012, 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502612]If the mandate (or the entire bill even) is overturned today, how long are you going to whine about it being a politicized, partisan decision by the SCOTUS? When will you get over the outrage long enough to start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform?

;)[/QUOTE]

Lolz.

Lol.

Lolz.

Sent from my Double-Wide using Semaphore...

JetPotato · 06-28-2012, 08:02 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4503207]Lolz.

Lol.

Lolz.

Sent from my Double-Wide using Semaphore...[/QUOTE]

Context.

I know keeping up really isn't your thing.

FF2® · 06-28-2012, 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502612]If the mandate (or the entire bill even) is overturned today, how long are you going to whine about it being a politicized, partisan decision by the SCOTUS? When will you get over the outrage long enough to start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform?

;)[/QUOTE]

I guess the question is for you now.

AlbanyJet · 06-28-2012, 09:43 PM

No, it applies to you even moreso.

Obamacare is still a costly fustercluck bureaucratic nightmare that benefits:

Big Pharma
Healthcare Insurance Companies

It's health insurance. It is not health [I]care[/I].

The USSC did not invalidate the 1400 exemptions that Obama incompetently gave or any of the other many structural (financial) problems of this Godzilla-like government disaster which makes the whole thing unworkable.

Liberals think they have the Single-Payer or something akin to Single-Payer. Obamacare is not even close to Single-Payer.

It's just a...fustercluck!

:jets17

FF2® · 06-28-2012, 09:53 PM

[QUOTE=AlbanyJet;4503358]No, it applies to you even moreso.

Obamacare is still a costly fustercluck bureaucratic nightmare that benefits:

Big Pharma
Healthcare Insurance Companies

It's health insurance. It is not health [I]care[/I].

The USSC did not invalidate the 1400 exemptions that Obama incompetently gave or any of the other many structural (financial) problems of this Godzilla-like government disaster which makes the whole thing unworkable.

Liberals think they have the Single-Payer or something akin to Single-Payer. Obamacare is not even close to Single-Payer.

It's just a...fustercluck!

:jets17[/QUOTE]

I just meant the part about How long will you whine about it.

cr726 · 06-28-2012, 10:18 PM

Hopefully everyone will wake up and will try to improve it.

[QUOTE=AlbanyJet;4503358]No, it applies to you even moreso.

Obamacare is still a costly fustercluck bureaucratic nightmare that benefits:

Big Pharma
Healthcare Insurance Companies

It's health insurance. It is not health [I]care[/I].

The USSC did not invalidate the 1400 exemptions that Obama incompetently gave or any of the other many structural (financial) problems of this Godzilla-like government disaster which makes the whole thing unworkable.

Liberals think they have the Single-Payer or something akin to Single-Payer. Obamacare is not even close to Single-Payer.

It's just a...fustercluck!

:jets17[/QUOTE]

Bonhomme Richard · 06-28-2012, 10:49 PM

[QUOTE=cr726;4503376]Hopefully everyone will wake up and will try to improve it.[/QUOTE]

LOL

Just remember, the leading argument in support of the bill was "Let's just pass it first and [I]then[/I] read it"

parafly · 06-28-2012, 11:35 PM

[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502612]start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform?[/QUOTE]

Reform with R and D. Good luck with that.

JetPotato · 06-29-2012, 07:32 AM

[QUOTE=FF2®;4503364]I just meant the part about How long will you whine about it.[/QUOTE]

Link to any complaints of the Supreme Court making this a political decision... you know, like the point of the thread.

cr726 · 06-29-2012, 10:11 AM

[QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4503406]LOL

Just remember, the leading argument in support of the bill was "Let's just pass it first and [I]then[/I] read it"[/QUOTE]

Our healthcare has been F'd up for a very longtime. Any action is better than the status quo.

Winstonbiggs · 06-29-2012, 10:27 AM

[QUOTE=cr726;4503603]Our healthcare has been F'd up for a very longtime. Any action is better than the status quo.[/QUOTE]

No doubt that's true but if we end up having a massive tax increase and we don't substantially bend the curve on health care spending as a result of this new policy, I'm afraid that wouldn't be true.

If health care costs continue to spiral out of control and we are just adding more people into that system, this bill while covering more people is going to create enormous drag on the entire economy leading to millions of underemployed and unemployed people over a very long period of time.

If the cost of health care can be reduced substantially this will be far better than the status quo.

06-28-2012, 09:44 AM	#1
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	A Question for My Liberal Friends If the mandate (or the entire bill even) is overturned today, how long are you going to whine about it being a politicized, partisan decision by the SCOTUS? When will you get over the outrage long enough to start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform? ;)

06-28-2012, 05:37 PM	#2
majormajor42 Practice Squad Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rockland County Posts: 399	There's no reason to not have that conversation no matter what the outcome was.

06-28-2012, 05:42 PM	#3
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,029	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502612]If the mandate (or the entire bill even) is overturned today, how long are you going to whine about it being a politicized, partisan decision by the SCOTUS? When will you get over the outrage long enough to start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform? ;)[/QUOTE] Lolz. Lol. Lolz. Sent from my Double-Wide using Semaphore...

06-28-2012, 08:02 PM	#4
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4503207]Lolz. Lol. Lolz. Sent from my Double-Wide using Semaphore...[/QUOTE] Context. I know keeping up really isn't your thing.

06-28-2012, 08:31 PM	#5
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,223	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502612]If the mandate (or the entire bill even) is overturned today, how long are you going to whine about it being a politicized, partisan decision by the SCOTUS? When will you get over the outrage long enough to start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform? ;)[/QUOTE] I guess the question is for you now.

06-28-2012, 09:43 PM	#6
AlbanyJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,635	No, it applies to you even moreso. Obamacare is still a costly fustercluck bureaucratic nightmare that benefits: Big Pharma Healthcare Insurance Companies It's health insurance. It is not health [I]care[/I]. The USSC did not invalidate the 1400 exemptions that Obama incompetently gave or any of the other many structural (financial) problems of this Godzilla-like government disaster which makes the whole thing unworkable. Liberals think they have the Single-Payer or something akin to Single-Payer. Obamacare is not even close to Single-Payer. It's just a...fustercluck! :jets17

06-28-2012, 09:53 PM	#7
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,223	[QUOTE=AlbanyJet;4503358]No, it applies to you even moreso. Obamacare is still a costly fustercluck bureaucratic nightmare that benefits: Big Pharma Healthcare Insurance Companies It's health insurance. It is not health [I]care[/I]. The USSC did not invalidate the 1400 exemptions that Obama incompetently gave or any of the other many structural (financial) problems of this Godzilla-like government disaster which makes the whole thing unworkable. Liberals think they have the Single-Payer or something akin to Single-Payer. Obamacare is not even close to Single-Payer. It's just a...fustercluck! :jets17[/QUOTE] I just meant the part about How long will you whine about it.

06-28-2012, 10:18 PM	#8
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,329	Hopefully everyone will wake up and will try to improve it. [QUOTE=AlbanyJet;4503358]No, it applies to you even moreso. Obamacare is still a costly fustercluck bureaucratic nightmare that benefits: Big Pharma Healthcare Insurance Companies It's health insurance. It is not health [I]care[/I]. The USSC did not invalidate the 1400 exemptions that Obama incompetently gave or any of the other many structural (financial) problems of this Godzilla-like government disaster which makes the whole thing unworkable. Liberals think they have the Single-Payer or something akin to Single-Payer. Obamacare is not even close to Single-Payer. It's just a...fustercluck! :jets17[/QUOTE]

06-28-2012, 10:49 PM	#9
Bonhomme Richard Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 4,103	[QUOTE=cr726;4503376]Hopefully everyone will wake up and will try to improve it.[/QUOTE] LOL Just remember, the leading argument in support of the bill was "Let's just pass it first and [I]then[/I] read it"

06-28-2012, 11:35 PM	#10
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,301	[QUOTE=JetPotato;4502612]start having a serious conversation in Congress about REAL health [I]care[/I] and [I]cost[/I] reform?[/QUOTE] Reform with R and D. Good luck with that.

06-29-2012, 07:32 AM	#11
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,142	[QUOTE=FF2®;4503364]I just meant the part about How long will you whine about it.[/QUOTE] Link to any complaints of the Supreme Court making this a political decision... you know, like the point of the thread.

06-29-2012, 10:11 AM	#12
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,329	[QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4503406]LOL Just remember, the leading argument in support of the bill was "Let's just pass it first and [I]then[/I] read it"[/QUOTE] Our healthcare has been F'd up for a very longtime. Any action is better than the status quo.

06-29-2012, 10:27 AM	#13
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,940	[QUOTE=cr726;4503603]Our healthcare has been F'd up for a very longtime. Any action is better than the status quo.[/QUOTE] No doubt that's true but if we end up having a massive tax increase and we don't substantially bend the curve on health care spending as a result of this new policy, I'm afraid that wouldn't be true. If health care costs continue to spiral out of control and we are just adding more people into that system, this bill while covering more people is going to create enormous drag on the entire economy leading to millions of underemployed and unemployed people over a very long period of time. If the cost of health care can be reduced substantially this will be far better than the status quo.