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Charlie Brown · 06-29-2012, 09:03 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4503542]:eek:

After one year, don't you think that prediction might be a wee bit premature?[/QUOTE]

I was saying that my over the top statement was closer to the truth than that Cam some sort of over rated bust... That is all.....:P

brex · 06-29-2012, 09:03 AM

[QUOTE=sec.101row23;4503237]You clearly didnt read the title of the list. For anyone to consider Sanchez over rated is comical, the guy is never mentioned as the top QB in any category.[/QUOTE]

I actually like Tebow...but if you're going by the term [U]overrated[/U], then Tebow should be on the list instead of Sanchez. It seems like most pundits over-hype Tebow, but call out Sanchez as a bust. Didn't Tebow make the Top 100 players?

PatsFanTX · 06-29-2012, 09:09 AM

[QUOTE=Charlie Brown;4503544]I was saying that my over the top statement was closer to the truth than that Cam some sort of over rated bust... That is all.....:P[/QUOTE]

No roblem CB, Newton did have the most prolific rookie season of any QB in the history of the NFL.

He is fun to watch. :yes:

Matt39 · 06-29-2012, 09:12 AM

Cam was my fantasy QB last year so I watched him a lot.....there were a ton of flukey plays that resulted in touchdowns, passes that just happened to come down in a Panthers players hands and then went the distance....plus he was given all the goal line carries that generally go to backs.

As a passer, he looked a bit herky jerky.

I'd be surprised if he put up the same numbers as last year this year.

Savage69 · 06-29-2012, 09:42 AM

[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4503542]:eek:

After one year, don't you think that prediction might be a wee bit premature?[/QUOTE]

After one year CB thought Hermie the Flim Flam BBQ man was the best jet HC ever so for him it's not..:P

joe810 · 06-29-2012, 01:16 PM

cam newton = vince young after one year we will see if he pans out i say bust for sure

ASG0531 · 06-29-2012, 01:19 PM

[QUOTE=joe810;4503750]cam newton = vince young after one year we will see if he pans out i say bust for sure[/QUOTE]

I can't believe people say crap like this and then rave on and on about Sanchez' 10-year development plan.

Woody56 · 06-29-2012, 01:26 PM

[QUOTE=Dreamers;4503321]Here is my thoughts on this.

1st Flacco has played good. The fact that Boldin has been done sense he signed with the Ravens has more to do with his lack of production. No one is ranking him as a top 10 QB so I fail to see how he is over rated. As far as better WRs yeah most teams have better WRs then the friggen Browns. It is easy to have a lot of 10+ yard plays when your always 20 points down.

[B]Jermaine Gresham - At 6'7 265 lbs is not an easy man to stop. Sure maybe a product of his QB but you can say the same of Gronk and Finley. Production is production he get top 5 #s[/B].

Bailey? - Dude is like 40 and his talent has declined more then most ever have. Still a top 10 CB NO but I don't think any one is still saying he is after last year. Maybe is you just go by money but play wise is not seen as a top player any more.

DBrick - I disagree but it is hard to be partial. One off year doesn't mean you are over rated. He is still in his prime.

Denarius Moore - WHO?? Really a guy that made what 30 catches last year and most couldn't pick out of a line up is over rated? Dude isn't even a starter in Oakland.

Joe Harden - I'd like a reason on this one. Dude is the best player in Cleveland hands down. What 36 37 pass deflects in his 1st 2 years on a team most just run against all day.

Newton - Normally I'd agree but not for that reason at all. Rookie QBs normally make the pro bowl when they have stats like that. Also how many QBs opted out of the pro bowl last year? Pro bowls mean squat. He was the 7th best QB in the AFC last year. You want to talk over rated look at the games he "won". They are all games where they kept his throws to a minimum. Exp one where he had 158 yards. lol Over rated maybe but he is young and a new look. I'd still take him over Romo, Vick, Cutler, or Smith.

Nnamdi Asomugha - agreed is not a shut down CB as advertised

Tony Gonzalez - Anther almost 40 year old? He had like 80 catches and over 800 yards again last year. How is he over rated when he is perhaps the most consistent TE to ever play the game? Also unlike most catching TEs he can block!

Brandon Browner - I honestly had to look the guy up that is how often I have heard the name. 23 PD and 6 INTs his 1st year and was undrafted. At 27 I doubt he is making many top 10 CB lists. He had a great year give him props.

Bush - I agree

DeAngelo Hall - Hasn't been ranked high in years and puts up good #s. And yes when your Ss suck and your not a tackling CB your VYPA is high.

David Akers - WOW Akers? He was money last year and has been for a very long time. Yeah maybe not the best K in the league but at 38 going 7-9 on 50+! You have to wonder why Andy didn't use that when he was in his prime. He had more points then the QB on the team.[/QUOTE]

Top 5 #'s? 596 and 6. Our own Dustin Keller went 815 and 5.

joe810 · 06-29-2012, 01:30 PM

been saying it before the draft and still saying stop looking at fantasy stats they do nothing towards winning football games vince young i think won offense rookie of the year his first year and i said he would wash out cam will be next even if he throws the ball better than vince. i still say mike vick is fools gold never never going to go far in the playoffs with him never ever i loved mcnabb over him by far to bad he got old so fast

joe810 · 06-29-2012, 01:31 PM

and also i have luck not being as good as RG3 i think luck may be the bust this year

NYCFan · 06-29-2012, 02:10 PM

Whenever I hear that Joe Flacco is "overrated," I want to ask, exactly who is "overrating" him?

I don't think he gets rated very highly by many people outside of Raven-nation.

Ray Ray19 · 06-29-2012, 02:33 PM

[QUOTE=Mainejet;4503241][B]Sanchez and Ferguson belong on that list. They both suck.[/B]

The only thing is, Ferguson can improve and likely will. Not so sure with Sanchez.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

Charlie Brown · 06-29-2012, 02:45 PM

[QUOTE=Savage69;4503573]After one year CB thought Hermie the Flim Flam BBQ man was the best jet HC ever so for him it's not..:P[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm least I am SLANDER some more...... SMILES

I indeed liked Herm as a HC but NEVER EVER did I say he was the best Jet HC. I couldn't cause the man wasn't.

So Stop that!!!!

OrangeJet · 06-29-2012, 02:47 PM

[QUOTE=Mainejet;4503323]You obviously cannot be reading this board.:rolleyes: Just ask the masses what they think of Sanchez. It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE for most here to take the green colored shades off and be objective about Sanchez's long term success. Or should I say, lack thereof?[/QUOTE]

So they should be basing these articles on the opinions of a Jets message board? Very few outside of this board rate Sanchez high.

PatsFanTX · 06-29-2012, 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=joe810;4503750]cam newton = vince young after one year we will see if he pans out i say bust for sure[/QUOTE]

Why did you compare him to Vince Young?

Young had a mediocre/poor rookie year.

JoePNYJ1 · 06-29-2012, 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=brex;4503089]Its an Insider article. So I'm not sure I can paste it - but here is the gist.

[url]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8097170/nfl-champ-bailey-joe-flacco-afc-most-overrated-players[/url]

Basically the list is as follows:
[U]AFC[/U]
Joe Flacco (his passes over 11yds and over 20yds were dead last. Despite having better WRs, Flacco actually underperformed Colt McCoy)
Jermaine Gresham (Probowler that even D Keller had better numbers)
Champ Bailey (vertical yds per attempt ranked 73rd)
D'Brick Ferguson (gave up more sacks than Wayne Hunter)
Denarius Moore
Joe Haden

[U]NFC[/U]
Cam Newton (made Probowl despite being rank 16th in QBR)
Nnamdi Asomugha (YPA was 57th in the league)
Tony Gonzalez (YPA was 23rd in the league)
Brandon Browner
Michael Bush (40th most productive RB despite 14mil contract)
DeAngelo Hall (fourth worst CB in the league based on VYPA)
David Akers (13 for 20 on kicks over 40yds)[/QUOTE]

Maybe this is the list of bust candidates for next year. That being said I still disagree with some of his choices.

Jet Nut · 06-29-2012, 06:59 PM

[QUOTE=joe810;4503765]been saying it before the draft and still saying stop looking at fantasy stats they do nothing towards winning football games vince young i think won offense rookie of the year his first year and i said he would wash out cam will be next even if he throws the ball better than vince. i still say mike vick is fools gold never never going to go far in the playoffs with him never ever i loved mcnabb over him by far to bad he got old so fast[/QUOTE]

So you just kind of bundle all black QBs together?

PatsFanTX · 06-29-2012, 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4503973]So you just kind of bundle all black QBs together?[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

Funaz · 06-29-2012, 07:21 PM

[QUOTE=joe810;4503767]and also i have luck not being as good as RG3 i think luck may be the bust this year[/QUOTE]

LOL. RG3 is a lesser cam newton. RG3 is the defination of a bust. He also choked in college everytime he was in a big game. He also won the heisman which is he kiss of death for a NFL QB.

Jet Nut · 06-29-2012, 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=Funaz;4503996]LOL. RG3 is a lesser cam newton. RG3 is the defination of a bust. He also choked in college everytime he was in a big game. He also won the heisman which is he kiss of death for a NFL QB.[/QUOTE]

We all know the Heisman is the kiss of death for RG3. :rolleyes:

Which is why he'll never be as good as Cam.

Who won a Heisman too.

You can't make this sh1t up.

06-29-2012, 09:03 AM	#41
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,529	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4503542]:eek: After one year, don't you think that prediction might be a wee bit premature?[/QUOTE] I was saying that my over the top statement was closer to the truth than that Cam some sort of over rated bust... That is all.....:P

06-29-2012, 09:03 AM	#42
brex is still in mourning. Practice Squad Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 254	[QUOTE=sec.101row23;4503237]You clearly didnt read the title of the list. For anyone to consider Sanchez over rated is comical, the guy is never mentioned as the top QB in any category.[/QUOTE] I actually like Tebow...but if you're going by the term [U]overrated[/U], then Tebow should be on the list instead of Sanchez. It seems like most pundits over-hype Tebow, but call out Sanchez as a bust. Didn't Tebow make the Top 100 players?

06-29-2012, 09:09 AM	#43
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Charlie Brown;4503544]I was saying that my over the top statement was closer to the truth than that Cam some sort of over rated bust... That is all.....:P[/QUOTE] No roblem CB, Newton did have the most prolific rookie season of any QB in the history of the NFL. He is fun to watch. :yes:

06-29-2012, 09:12 AM	#44
Matt39 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,324	Cam was my fantasy QB last year so I watched him a lot.....there were a ton of flukey plays that resulted in touchdowns, passes that just happened to come down in a Panthers players hands and then went the distance....plus he was given all the goal line carries that generally go to backs. As a passer, he looked a bit herky jerky. I'd be surprised if he put up the same numbers as last year this year.

06-29-2012, 09:42 AM	#45
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,299	[QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4503542]:eek: After one year, don't you think that prediction might be a wee bit premature?[/QUOTE] After one year CB thought Hermie the Flim Flam BBQ man was the best jet HC ever so for him it's not..:P

06-29-2012, 01:16 PM	#46
joe810 Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 119	cam newton = vince young after one year we will see if he pans out i say bust for sure

06-29-2012, 01:19 PM	#47
ASG0531 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,724	[QUOTE=joe810;4503750]cam newton = vince young after one year we will see if he pans out i say bust for sure[/QUOTE] I can't believe people say crap like this and then rave on and on about Sanchez' 10-year development plan.

06-29-2012, 01:26 PM	#48
Woody56 Purifying myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,068	[QUOTE=Dreamers;4503321]Here is my thoughts on this. 1st Flacco has played good. The fact that Boldin has been done sense he signed with the Ravens has more to do with his lack of production. No one is ranking him as a top 10 QB so I fail to see how he is over rated. As far as better WRs yeah most teams have better WRs then the friggen Browns. It is easy to have a lot of 10+ yard plays when your always 20 points down. [B]Jermaine Gresham - At 6'7 265 lbs is not an easy man to stop. Sure maybe a product of his QB but you can say the same of Gronk and Finley. Production is production he get top 5 #s[/B]. Bailey? - Dude is like 40 and his talent has declined more then most ever have. Still a top 10 CB NO but I don't think any one is still saying he is after last year. Maybe is you just go by money but play wise is not seen as a top player any more. DBrick - I disagree but it is hard to be partial. One off year doesn't mean you are over rated. He is still in his prime. Denarius Moore - WHO?? Really a guy that made what 30 catches last year and most couldn't pick out of a line up is over rated? Dude isn't even a starter in Oakland. Joe Harden - I'd like a reason on this one. Dude is the best player in Cleveland hands down. What 36 37 pass deflects in his 1st 2 years on a team most just run against all day. Newton - Normally I'd agree but not for that reason at all. Rookie QBs normally make the pro bowl when they have stats like that. Also how many QBs opted out of the pro bowl last year? Pro bowls mean squat. He was the 7th best QB in the AFC last year. You want to talk over rated look at the games he "won". They are all games where they kept his throws to a minimum. Exp one where he had 158 yards. lol Over rated maybe but he is young and a new look. I'd still take him over Romo, Vick, Cutler, or Smith. Nnamdi Asomugha - agreed is not a shut down CB as advertised Tony Gonzalez - Anther almost 40 year old? He had like 80 catches and over 800 yards again last year. How is he over rated when he is perhaps the most consistent TE to ever play the game? Also unlike most catching TEs he can block! Brandon Browner - I honestly had to look the guy up that is how often I have heard the name. 23 PD and 6 INTs his 1st year and was undrafted. At 27 I doubt he is making many top 10 CB lists. He had a great year give him props. Bush - I agree DeAngelo Hall - Hasn't been ranked high in years and puts up good #s. And yes when your Ss suck and your not a tackling CB your VYPA is high. David Akers - WOW Akers? He was money last year and has been for a very long time. Yeah maybe not the best K in the league but at 38 going 7-9 on 50+! You have to wonder why Andy didn't use that when he was in his prime. He had more points then the QB on the team.[/QUOTE] Top 5 #'s? 596 and 6. Our own Dustin Keller went 815 and 5.

06-29-2012, 01:30 PM	#49
joe810 Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 119	been saying it before the draft and still saying stop looking at fantasy stats they do nothing towards winning football games vince young i think won offense rookie of the year his first year and i said he would wash out cam will be next even if he throws the ball better than vince. i still say mike vick is fools gold never never going to go far in the playoffs with him never ever i loved mcnabb over him by far to bad he got old so fast

06-29-2012, 01:31 PM	#50
joe810 Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 119	and also i have luck not being as good as RG3 i think luck may be the bust this year

06-29-2012, 02:10 PM	#51
NYCFan Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 341	Whenever I hear that Joe Flacco is "overrated," I want to ask, exactly who is "overrating" him? I don't think he gets rated very highly by many people outside of Raven-nation.

06-29-2012, 02:33 PM	#52
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,839	[QUOTE=Mainejet;4503241][B]Sanchez and Ferguson belong on that list. They both suck.[/B] The only thing is, Ferguson can improve and likely will. Not so sure with Sanchez.[/QUOTE] :rolleyes:

06-29-2012, 02:45 PM	#53
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,529	[QUOTE=Savage69;4503573]After one year CB thought Hermie the Flim Flam BBQ man was the best jet HC ever so for him it's not..:P[/QUOTE] Hmmmm least I am SLANDER some more...... SMILES I indeed liked Herm as a HC but NEVER EVER did I say he was the best Jet HC. I couldn't cause the man wasn't. So Stop that!!!!

06-29-2012, 02:47 PM	#54
OrangeJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,946	[QUOTE=Mainejet;4503323]You obviously cannot be reading this board.:rolleyes: Just ask the masses what they think of Sanchez. It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE for most here to take the green colored shades off and be objective about Sanchez's long term success. Or should I say, lack thereof?[/QUOTE] So they should be basing these articles on the opinions of a Jets message board? Very few outside of this board rate Sanchez high.

06-29-2012, 02:54 PM	#55
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=joe810;4503750]cam newton = vince young after one year we will see if he pans out i say bust for sure[/QUOTE] Why did you compare him to Vince Young? Young had a mediocre/poor rookie year.

06-29-2012, 06:14 PM	#56
JoePNYJ1 Sheldon is a beast! Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 433	[QUOTE=brex;4503089]Its an Insider article. So I'm not sure I can paste it - but here is the gist. [url]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8097170/nfl-champ-bailey-joe-flacco-afc-most-overrated-players[/url] Basically the list is as follows: [U]AFC[/U] Joe Flacco (his passes over 11yds and over 20yds were dead last. Despite having better WRs, Flacco actually underperformed Colt McCoy) Jermaine Gresham (Probowler that even D Keller had better numbers) Champ Bailey (vertical yds per attempt ranked 73rd) D'Brick Ferguson (gave up more sacks than Wayne Hunter) Denarius Moore Joe Haden [U]NFC[/U] Cam Newton (made Probowl despite being rank 16th in QBR) Nnamdi Asomugha (YPA was 57th in the league) Tony Gonzalez (YPA was 23rd in the league) Brandon Browner Michael Bush (40th most productive RB despite 14mil contract) DeAngelo Hall (fourth worst CB in the league based on VYPA) David Akers (13 for 20 on kicks over 40yds)[/QUOTE] Maybe this is the list of bust candidates for next year. That being said I still disagree with some of his choices.

06-29-2012, 06:59 PM	#57
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,125	[QUOTE=joe810;4503765]been saying it before the draft and still saying stop looking at fantasy stats they do nothing towards winning football games vince young i think won offense rookie of the year his first year and i said he would wash out cam will be next even if he throws the ball better than vince. i still say mike vick is fools gold never never going to go far in the playoffs with him never ever i loved mcnabb over him by far to bad he got old so fast[/QUOTE] So you just kind of bundle all black QBs together?

06-29-2012, 07:01 PM	#58
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4503973]So you just kind of bundle all black QBs together?[/QUOTE] Thank you.

06-29-2012, 07:21 PM	#59
Funaz Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,404	[QUOTE=joe810;4503767]and also i have luck not being as good as RG3 i think luck may be the bust this year[/QUOTE] LOL. RG3 is a lesser cam newton. RG3 is the defination of a bust. He also choked in college everytime he was in a big game. He also won the heisman which is he kiss of death for a NFL QB.

06-29-2012, 08:19 PM	#60
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,125	[QUOTE=Funaz;4503996]LOL. RG3 is a lesser cam newton. RG3 is the defination of a bust. He also choked in college everytime he was in a big game. He also won the heisman which is he kiss of death for a NFL QB.[/QUOTE] We all know the Heisman is the kiss of death for RG3. :rolleyes: Which is why he'll never be as good as Cam. Who won a Heisman too. You can't make this sh1t up.