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TokyoJetsFan · 07-03-2012, 09:19 PM

Upgraded D will help Bills, JetsNew players, scheme changes key NFL's four most-improved defenses

The goal of every offseason for NFL teams is a simple one: get better. There are a variety of ways to do so, including acquiring new personnel from the draft and free agency, tinkering with schemes and strategies, and simply coaching up players during camps.

As we start to look toward the 2012 season, it's clear that some teams have made big strides on the defensive side of the ball. By making shrewd acquisitions that fit their defensive philosophies, I think four teams in particular have made a lot of headway: the Buffalo Bills, Seattle Seahawks, New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys.

By breaking down film and exploring how some of these new pieces fit in with those teams, let's take a look at why these defenses should be much improved in 2012:

Buffalo Bills
Of the four defenses I looked at, Buffalo has the most ground to make up. In 2011, the Bills were near the bottom of the league in overall defense. They couldn't stop the run, pressure the QB or get off the field on third down and were last in the NFL in red zone defense. That led to dramatic personnel changes and also a scheme switch, as they will make the transition from a 3-4defense to a 4-3 package under new coordinator Dave Wannstedt.

Success in 2012 will likely start with a defensive line that should dominate, which will make things a lot easier for the guys on the back end. In the past couple of seasons, most of the meager pass rush production for the Bills came from the inside, and their edge pass rush was almost nonexistent (29 sacks in 2011). They now have two elite edge rushers in free-agent defensive ends Mario Williams and Mark Anderson. They are perfect fits in this 4-3 front with excellent quickness and edge explosiveness. That allows the Bills to move NT Marcell Dareus to a more natural 4-3 DT position. He will team with the underrated Kyle Williams to give them a terrific one-gap, penetrating inside pass rush.

Chris Kelsay provides natural 4-3 pass rush skills as a swing DE, but the wild card of this front may be Shawne Merriman, who could really help in sub packages as an edge rusher.

The linebacking core is decent but not flashy, and will be an interchangeable group capable of switching positions and roles, with the trio of Kelvin Sheppard, Kirk Morrison and Nick Barnett. In the secondary, better health and a strong draft should make the Bills better at corner. Rookie Stephon Gilmore will team with Aaron Williams and veteran Terrence McGee to give them three solid corners to go along with a strong safety duo of Jairus Byrd and George Wilson. The back seven of this unit still needs to be upgraded, but if the pass rush up front is as good on the field as it is on paper, a lot of weaknesses will be covered up and the Buffalo defense could be the most improved in the NFL.

Seattle Seahawks
Pete Carroll is a defensive-oriented head coach and has worked hard to upgrade the personnel scheme of this underappreciated unit. I see the Seahawks' defense improving for several reasons. Their draft will help, but this is also simply a young unit that should improve with more coaching this offseason.

The more film I watch, the more impressed I am. This now looks like a defense that can compete with the dominant San Francisco 49ers' D.

While the Seahawks played good overall defense in 2011, they would like to improve their sack numbers -- and it looks like they have the personnel to get it done.

They play a 4-3 scheme, but they will at times change their look to a 3-4 and mix in their "Elephant" look, which features an extra linebacker as a pass-rusher. Seattle likes to get that pressure without a lot of blitzes, although it trusts its defensive backs if forced to put them on an island in single man coverage. The Seahawks have a terrific front four lead by RDE Red Bryant, who is a great run-stopper and physical rusher, and LDE Chris Clemons, who is their best edge rusher. Now they add rookie DE/OLB Bruce Irvin to the mix. Irvin is perfect as the "Elephant" edge rusher in all their sub-packages. Plus, they can overload their pass rush on one side, almost like the old Buddy Ryan 4-6 defense.

They are also excellent inside with a deep defensive tackle rotation of starters Alan Branch and Brandon Mebane, along with free-agent pickup Jason Jones. They can really get creative with their fronts and schemes because of the versatility of this group, which is perfect for Carroll.

This linebacking group looks solid, with rookie MLB Bobby Wagner and OLBs Leroy Hill and K.J. Wright. They are an athletic group with good speed and range. However, they have the luxury of playing in front of a terrific secondary.

Of all the film I have watched in this offseason, the Seattle secondary is the most impressive unit I didn't know about. Both safeties, Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor, are Pro Bowl players. They are not only physical, but elite cover guys for their size. Starting corners Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman aren't household names, but they are the biggest duo in the NFL, and that size and physicality allows them to play the aggressive press coverage on the outside that Carroll loves.

This defense plays with a swagger, and is the most physical group that I have seen on film. They have great variety in their skill sets, which allows the coaches to create exotic schemes. Above all, though, they are a young defense that will be good for a long time.

New York Jets
I know that Rex Ryan is a longtime 3-4 coach, but every time I studied the Jets on film, it didn't seem like their scheme matched their personnel. Playing more 4-3 fronts makes a lot of sense. Young defensive ends Muhammad Wilkerson and Quinton Coples are perfect as combo defenders on the edge, and they will provide a lot of the pass rush. The Jets have a solid inside DT rotation, and OLB/DE Calvin Pace gives them a lot of flexibility as an edge rusher if they go to some 3-4 fronts. Don't be surprised if he also has solid production when they go to Buddy Ryan's 4-6 defense, which preaches overload principles to create pass-rush pressure. The additions of LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell at safety should improve the run defense, and if the pass rush is solid, it will mask Landry's liability in dropping back into coverage.

Dallas Cowboys
Coordinator Rob Ryan loves aggressive attack packages, but partly because of the lockout a year ago and partly because of personnel deficiencies on the back end, he had to back off and play it more conservatively last season. Add to that a lot of communication breakdowns, and you have a defense that underachieved. However, the Cowboys added two players in the offseason -- CB Brandon Carr in free agency and first-round draft pick CB Morris Claiborne -- who should change everything.

Now the Cowboys have two elite corners, along with holdover Mike Jenkins, who can play on an island in single man coverage, something they haven't been able to do in recent years. The trickle-down effect should be dramatic, as Ryan can now bring every type of pressure package that he wants without worrying if his defense will hold up on the back end. The Cowboys should be able to generate more sacks and turnovers this season as a result.

DDNYjets · 07-03-2012, 09:26 PM

Its called versatility. Being "multiple" as Rex says. 3-4, 4-3, 46 and all the variations. Having players that are versatile, especially DL like Coples and Wilk that can move inside and outside.

But will we cover the TE? Thats what I want to know.

cant wait · 07-03-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Its called versatility. Being "multiple" as Rex says. 3-4, 4-3, 46 and all the variations. Having players that are versatile, especially DL like Coples and Wilk that can move inside and outside.

But will we cover the TE? Thats what I want to know.

the best way to cover the TE is to get to the QB before he has time to get open

patman · 07-03-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Its called versatility. Being "multiple" as Rex says. 3-4, 4-3, 46 and all the variations. Having players that are versatile, especially DL like Coples and Wilk that can move inside and outside.

But will we cover the TE? Thats what I want to know.

You don't even know if Coples can play yet and you already have him scheme diverse?

JB1089 · 07-04-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by patman

You don't even know if Coples can play yet and you already have him scheme diverse?

Whether he's good or not, he has the physical traits to play inside or out, and did both while in college. So yes, we're calling him scheme diverse.

Mardukis · 07-04-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cant wait

the best way to cover the TE is to get to the QB before he has time to get open

So the secret is out. Gronk and Hernandez have no hope.

John_0515 · 07-04-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by patman

You don't even know if Coples can play yet and you already have him scheme diverse?

Might as well not even try to use him then, right? I mean, if no one has seen him play, he's obviously worthless at this point.

Let's talk about how awesome Brandon Lloyd will be in the Patriots offense.

suprjet · 07-04-2012, 01:14 PM

Damn I am thinking Shawne Merriman could be a great addition to the Jets as a pass rusher. Imagine if Tanny pulled a trade for a late round pick? I think that would solidify this defense. The Bills don't seem to need him and they might want to move his salary.

Raider9175 · 07-04-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by suprjet

Damn I am thinking Shawne Merriman could be a great addition to the Jets as a pass rusher. Imagine if Tanny pulled a trade for a late round pick? I think that would solidify this defense. The Bills don't seem to need him and they might want to move his salary.

Shawne Merriman has been done for years. Why should the Jets do the Bills a favor and take that salary off their books, and give them a draft choice in the process.

You want to take a chance why don't they look into signing Andre carter(who i believe still out there)

JMO Andre Carter >>>>>>>> Shawne " Roids" Merriman

HoustonJET · 07-04-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by patman

You don't even know if Coples can play yet and you already have him scheme diverse?

With a post like that, I hope I never see you comment on a players potential... obviously potential is irrelevant to you...

patman · 07-04-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Might as well not even try to use him then, right? I mean, if no one has seen him play, he's obviously worthless at this point.

Let's talk about how awesome Brandon Lloyd will be in the Patriots offense.

Couples is most certainly not worthless, just unknown. But the guy has not even played a down in the nfl either at end or tackle. To count on him doing both well enough to make an impact next year is just jumping the gun some.

Lloyd has played in the McDaniels offense for three years. And I am not looking at him to improve from his numbers at all last year, even with a better qb and a better oline. Lloyd just needs to duplicate last year results for me to be very pleased.

sameoldjets · 07-04-2012, 01:51 PM

it's going to be interesting. imo the jets have put a lot into the dline not so much to play more 4-3 but to make sure the big guys are more fresh. many teams are getting pretty good at running the hurry up offenses and the patsies will be coming with all sorts of short and mid range passing routes. the line will need to be fresh to maintain a pass rush or even disrupt the te coming off the line.

patman · 07-04-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HoustonJET

With a post like that, I hope I never see you comment on a players potential... obviously potential is irrelevant to you...

Potential is not irrelevant, but that is all that it is. To say that he can play both end and tackle when he has not even had a full uniform on yet is premature.
The guy is 6-6 and 280 lbs, great size for and End in the NFL but kind of not really suited for playing across a 325 lb nfl guard. To play DT in the ACC is one thing at 280, The average NFL tackles body type is much different. Wilkenson has the body type to switch between positions and played inside and outside the tackle's shoulder last year, .

Rexipus Rex · 07-04-2012, 02:23 PM

Why are you guys wasting your time arguing with a guy who thinks our two best young linemen's names are "Couples" and "Wilkenson"

HoustonJET · 07-04-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex

Why are you guys wasting your time arguing with a guy who thinks our two best young linemen's names are "Couples" and "Wilkenson"

07-03-2012, 09:19 PM	#1
TokyoJetsFan Is keeping a lookout for stolen ipad2's Veteran Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,256	ESPN Insider: Upgraded D will help Bills, Jets Upgraded D will help Bills, JetsNew players, scheme changes key NFL's four most-improved defenses The goal of every offseason for NFL teams is a simple one: get better. There are a variety of ways to do so, including acquiring new personnel from the draft and free agency, tinkering with schemes and strategies, and simply coaching up players during camps. As we start to look toward the 2012 season, it's clear that some teams have made big strides on the defensive side of the ball. By making shrewd acquisitions that fit their defensive philosophies, I think four teams in particular have made a lot of headway: the Buffalo Bills, Seattle Seahawks, New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys. By breaking down film and exploring how some of these new pieces fit in with those teams, let's take a look at why these defenses should be much improved in 2012: Buffalo Bills Of the four defenses I looked at, Buffalo has the most ground to make up. In 2011, the Bills were near the bottom of the league in overall defense. They couldn't stop the run, pressure the QB or get off the field on third down and were last in the NFL in red zone defense. That led to dramatic personnel changes and also a scheme switch, as they will make the transition from a 3-4defense to a 4-3 package under new coordinator Dave Wannstedt. Success in 2012 will likely start with a defensive line that should dominate, which will make things a lot easier for the guys on the back end. In the past couple of seasons, most of the meager pass rush production for the Bills came from the inside, and their edge pass rush was almost nonexistent (29 sacks in 2011). They now have two elite edge rushers in free-agent defensive ends Mario Williams and Mark Anderson. They are perfect fits in this 4-3 front with excellent quickness and edge explosiveness. That allows the Bills to move NT Marcell Dareus to a more natural 4-3 DT position. He will team with the underrated Kyle Williams to give them a terrific one-gap, penetrating inside pass rush. Chris Kelsay provides natural 4-3 pass rush skills as a swing DE, but the wild card of this front may be Shawne Merriman, who could really help in sub packages as an edge rusher. The linebacking core is decent but not flashy, and will be an interchangeable group capable of switching positions and roles, with the trio of Kelvin Sheppard, Kirk Morrison and Nick Barnett. In the secondary, better health and a strong draft should make the Bills better at corner. Rookie Stephon Gilmore will team with Aaron Williams and veteran Terrence McGee to give them three solid corners to go along with a strong safety duo of Jairus Byrd and George Wilson. The back seven of this unit still needs to be upgraded, but if the pass rush up front is as good on the field as it is on paper, a lot of weaknesses will be covered up and the Buffalo defense could be the most improved in the NFL. Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll is a defensive-oriented head coach and has worked hard to upgrade the personnel scheme of this underappreciated unit. I see the Seahawks' defense improving for several reasons. Their draft will help, but this is also simply a young unit that should improve with more coaching this offseason. The more film I watch, the more impressed I am. This now looks like a defense that can compete with the dominant San Francisco 49ers' D. While the Seahawks played good overall defense in 2011, they would like to improve their sack numbers -- and it looks like they have the personnel to get it done. They play a 4-3 scheme, but they will at times change their look to a 3-4 and mix in their "Elephant" look, which features an extra linebacker as a pass-rusher. Seattle likes to get that pressure without a lot of blitzes, although it trusts its defensive backs if forced to put them on an island in single man coverage. The Seahawks have a terrific front four lead by RDE Red Bryant, who is a great run-stopper and physical rusher, and LDE Chris Clemons, who is their best edge rusher. Now they add rookie DE/OLB Bruce Irvin to the mix. Irvin is perfect as the "Elephant" edge rusher in all their sub-packages. Plus, they can overload their pass rush on one side, almost like the old Buddy Ryan 4-6 defense. They are also excellent inside with a deep defensive tackle rotation of starters Alan Branch and Brandon Mebane, along with free-agent pickup Jason Jones. They can really get creative with their fronts and schemes because of the versatility of this group, which is perfect for Carroll. This linebacking group looks solid, with rookie MLB Bobby Wagner and OLBs Leroy Hill and K.J. Wright. They are an athletic group with good speed and range. However, they have the luxury of playing in front of a terrific secondary. Of all the film I have watched in this offseason, the Seattle secondary is the most impressive unit I didn't know about. Both safeties, Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor, are Pro Bowl players. They are not only physical, but elite cover guys for their size. Starting corners Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman aren't household names, but they are the biggest duo in the NFL, and that size and physicality allows them to play the aggressive press coverage on the outside that Carroll loves. This defense plays with a swagger, and is the most physical group that I have seen on film. They have great variety in their skill sets, which allows the coaches to create exotic schemes. Above all, though, they are a young defense that will be good for a long time. New York Jets I know that Rex Ryan is a longtime 3-4 coach, but every time I studied the Jets on film, it didn't seem like their scheme matched their personnel. Playing more 4-3 fronts makes a lot of sense. Young defensive ends Muhammad Wilkerson and Quinton Coples are perfect as combo defenders on the edge, and they will provide a lot of the pass rush. The Jets have a solid inside DT rotation, and OLB/DE Calvin Pace gives them a lot of flexibility as an edge rusher if they go to some 3-4 fronts. Don't be surprised if he also has solid production when they go to Buddy Ryan's 4-6 defense, which preaches overload principles to create pass-rush pressure. The additions of LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell at safety should improve the run defense, and if the pass rush is solid, it will mask Landry's liability in dropping back into coverage. Dallas Cowboys Coordinator Rob Ryan loves aggressive attack packages, but partly because of the lockout a year ago and partly because of personnel deficiencies on the back end, he had to back off and play it more conservatively last season. Add to that a lot of communication breakdowns, and you have a defense that underachieved. However, the Cowboys added two players in the offseason -- CB Brandon Carr in free agency and first-round draft pick CB Morris Claiborne -- who should change everything. Now the Cowboys have two elite corners, along with holdover Mike Jenkins, who can play on an island in single man coverage, something they haven't been able to do in recent years. The trickle-down effect should be dramatic, as Ryan can now bring every type of pressure package that he wants without worrying if his defense will hold up on the back end. The Cowboys should be able to generate more sacks and turnovers this season as a result.

07-03-2012, 09:26 PM	#2
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,235	Its called versatility. Being "multiple" as Rex says. 3-4, 4-3, 46 and all the variations. Having players that are versatile, especially DL like Coples and Wilk that can move inside and outside. But will we cover the TE? Thats what I want to know.

07-04-2012, 01:14 PM	#8
suprjet Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,077	Damn I am thinking Shawne Merriman could be a great addition to the Jets as a pass rusher. Imagine if Tanny pulled a trade for a late round pick? I think that would solidify this defense. The Bills don't seem to need him and they might want to move his salary.

07-04-2012, 01:51 PM	#12
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,477	it's going to be interesting. imo the jets have put a lot into the dline not so much to play more 4-3 but to make sure the big guys are more fresh. many teams are getting pretty good at running the hurry up offenses and the patsies will be coming with all sorts of short and mid range passing routes. the line will need to be fresh to maintain a pass rush or even disrupt the te coming off the line.

07-04-2012, 02:23 PM	#14
Rexipus Rex Mo' money Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: E'Ville Posts: 1,199	Why are you guys wasting your time arguing with a guy who thinks our two best young linemen's names are "Couples" and "Wilkenson"