Has Philip Rivers peaked?

[Austin]

Originally Posted by ASG0531

The 2010 Chargers are one of my favorite teams of all time. They had the #1 overall offense, the #1 passing defense, and the #10 overall defense... and missed the playoffs. How does that ever happen? They coupled all of that with one of the most historically bad special teams units of all time. And on top of all that they had Norv Turner running the show. Just a huge comedy of errors.

Actually they were 1st in overall defense and 10th in scoring defense...

But yes, it's mind boggling they didn't make the playoffs.

[sect313]

Originally Posted by ASG0531

And on top of all that they had Norv Turner running the show.

their biggest problem.

[John_0515]

Dan Fouts or Philip Rivers? In terms of talent?

[Joe W. Namath]

They had the #1 overall offense, the #1 passing defense, and the #10 overall defense... and missed the playoffs. How does that ever happen?

Norv is a horrible head coach. Great OC, terrible head coach. Only a guy like Norv could pull that off.

[Mardukis]

Originally Posted by Jordy

I believe he has peaked...in San Diego.

IMO he's the epitomy of a guy who could very well flourish with a change of scenery.

Must be the air in San Diego.

he did the same thing at NC State. Under performed in big games. Not sure I agree with you here MR. jordy.

[NY2FLDWC85]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Rivers has nothing at receiver. Gates is washed up. Jackson cant beat anybody and just goes up for jump balls down the field. They have never had a #2 receiver.

Its tough when you do not have speed at the receiving positions and nobody can get open.

Vincent Jackson is no longer a Charger, he's now a Buc. In regards to Antonio Gates, all reports I've read is that he's healthy coming into 2012 for the first time in a couple seasons. That chronic foot injury? Doesn't seem to bother/concern Gates heading into 2012. Who said it was a "career injury" to begin with? Did it take time to heal? Without question. If healthy, he's a bast of a TE. I think Rivers and Gates have a very strong season this year.

[Jetworks]

Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard

Most overrated QB in the NFL.

Completely agree. His shot-put style of throwing is also starting to catch up to him physically, IMHO.

[ASG0531]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Vincent Jackson is no longer a Charger, he's now a Buc. In regards to Antonio Gates, all reports I've read is that he's healthy coming into 2012 for the first time in a couple seasons. That chronic foot injury? Doesn't seem to bother/concern Gates heading into 2012. Who said it was a "career injury" to begin with? Did it take time to heal? Without question. If healthy, he's a bast of a TE. I think Rivers and Gates have a very strong season this year.

If healthy? You've already "guaranteed" Gates has more production than Gronk this season. So I'm going to put this aside, follow it casually during the season, and hold you to the fire if you're on the wrong end of this prediction. I predict your bowl will already be stuffed with crow with your many other outlandish predictions... but don't worry, I'll wait my turn.

[NY2FLDWC85]

Originally Posted by ASG0531

If healthy? You've already "guaranteed" Gates has more production than Gronk this season. So I'm going to put this aside, follow it casually during the season, and hold you to the fire if you're on the wrong end of this prediction. I predict your bowl will already be stuffed with crow with your many other outlandish predictions... but don't worry, I'll wait my turn.

Funny, especially considering the fact that you've yet to select your Offensive and Defensive ROY's, 2012's Comeback Player of the Year, Sleeper and Let down teams, top 5 D's, All-Pro's, playoffs, top 5 O's etc, etc but yet, you'll be the first one to "hold someone to the fire if they're on the wrong end of their prediction". What a coward move that is. What a coward you are for even having that type of mentality. Maybe you take being a fan too serious if that's your train of thought? It's all in fun and good nature when in regards to myself. Be a man and use your own football thoughts instead of harping all over another man's thoughts. In other words, stop being a coward, put your selections out there for JI to criticize and then you can consider yourself not being a coward. Because right now? You're being an offseason coward my friend. Your post above only goes to show what type of person you are.

Lets not act like going with Gates over Gronkowski is like selecting Mark Sanchez over Tom Brady. Gates is a future HOF pass catching TE and is heading into the season 100% healthy. That's who I'm going with, over a 3rd year TE who had a breakout season with one of the greatest QB's of all-time reading the defenses. Since you've mentioned Antonio Gates "old age", how old is Tom Brady? Had Brady ever been hurt before?

[Mohegangreen]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Norv is a horrible head coach. Great OC, terrible head coach. Only a guy like Norv could pull that off.

Yea he is an embarrassing idiot, we think we have it bad, we always stick it to SD in a big spot, talk about "same old"

[FF2®]

rivers has no one any good to throw to.

Gates is on the wrong side of 30 with a bad foot and too many miles or his body.

[Mohegangreen]

Originally Posted by FF2®

rivers has no one any good to throw to.

Gates is on the wrong side of 30 with a bad foot and too many miles or his body.

Rivers on the Jets in '09 and '10...2 Lombardi's

[FF2®]

Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

Rivers on the Jets in '09 and '10...2 Lombardi's

+ a gazzilion.

[ASG0531]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Funny, especially considering the fact that you've yet to select your Offensive and Defensive ROY's, 2012's Comeback Player of the Year, Sleeper and Let down teams, top 5 D's, All-Pro's, playoffs, top 5 O's etc, etc but yet, you'll be the first one to "hold someone to the fire if they're on the wrong end of their prediction". What a coward move that is. What a coward you are for even having that type of mentality. Maybe you take being a fan too serious if that's your train of thought? It's all in fun and good nature when in regards to myself. Be a man and use your own football thoughts instead of harping all over another man's thoughts. In other words, stop being a coward, put your selections out there for JI to criticize and then you can consider yourself not being a coward. Because right now? You're being an offseason coward my friend. Your post above only goes to show what type of person you are.

Lets not act like going with Gates over Gronkowski is like selecting Mark Sanchez over Tom Brady. Gates is a future HOF pass catching TE and is heading into the season 100% healthy. That's who I'm going with, over a 3rd year TE who had a breakout season with one of the greatest QB's of all-time reading the defenses. Since you've mentioned Antonio Gates "old age", how old is Tom Brady? Had Brady ever been hurt before?

You made the prediction. Gates will outperform Gronk, that's the prediction. Do you want my 2012 All-Pro TE prediction? OK, sure, Jimmy Graham. Happy? I think a fair deal is that if to criticize a pick, you have to make a pick. I haven't criticized any of your other predictions, so we're good for now.

Hell, maybe I'll fill out my own ballot and we can compare somehow at the end of the year? Friendly competition?

[NY2FLDWC85]

Originally Posted by ASG0531

You made the prediction. Gates will outperform Gronk, that's the prediction. Do you want my 2012 All-Pro TE prediction? OK, sure, Jimmy Graham. Happy? I think a fair deal is that if to criticize a pick, you have to make a pick. I haven't criticized any of your other predictions, so we're good for now.

Hell, maybe I'll fill out my own ballot and we can compare somehow at the end of the year? Friendly competition?

I have Jimmy Graham as an All-Pro TE as well.

I have Gates. You have Gronkowski.

One All-Pro on the Pats who I forgot to mention was Vince Wilfork. I like him over Dockett.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

I have Jimmy Graham as an All-Pro TE as well.

I have Gates. You have Gronkowski.

One All-Pro on the Pats who I forgot to mention was Vince Wilfork. I like him over Dockett.

But without Tom Brady, Wilfork would suck suck suck.

[John_0515]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

But without Tom Brady, Wilfork would suck suck suck.

Where does this come from? Just trying to stir the pot?

One of your dumbest posts, and that's saying something.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by John_0515

Where does this come from? Just trying to stir the pot?

One of your dumbest posts, and that's saying something.

Just a little thread cross pollination. try to keep up will ya?

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

"Take away". Yeah, blame the Jets front office for selecting a Franchise LT, All-Pro Center, All-Pro MLB along with the greatest Defensive Player in Football. All in which are still on the team.

Take away Tom Brady and the Patriots suck-suck-suck.

What's your point?

[ASG0531]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

I have Jimmy Graham as an All-Pro TE as well.

I have Gates. You have Gronkowski.

One All-Pro on the Pats who I forgot to mention was Vince Wilfork. I like him over Dockett.

We're talking production, not accolades, you realize that, right?

[John_0515]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Just a little thread cross pollination. try to keep up will ya?

It's still stupid.