2012 Offensive Rookie Studs/Sleepers

[JetsFanatic]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Seriously Jordy?

There was never a RB in the NFL that had Campbell's speed, explosiveness, and the pure ability to run over defenders like Earl Campbell.

And I know you saw him play.

You must have watched Campbell play with RamRod's glasses.

Campbell was very talented however, even for a running back, he had a small window of premium production years.

[Raider9175]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Seriously Jordy?

There was never a RB in the NFL that had Campbell's speed, explosiveness, and the pure ability to run over defenders like Earl Campbell.

And I know you saw him play.

You must have watched Campbell play with RamRod's glasses.

For a short period he was as dominating as anyone Earl campbell.(what a beast) That running style he gave out alot of punishment and received a lot of punishment. That eventually took a toll on E Campbel body and he didn't have any where the career B sanders had. That just silly.


I think IF Bo Jackson would have played football full time and stayed healthy he might have been the best running back to ever play the game. No one had his power and his speed.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Both Jim Brown and Earl Campbell were much better RB's than Barry Sanders.

Not even a point worth argueing.

I'd put Sweetness ahead of Sanders as well. My all time top 10 list would look something like...

10: Marcus Allen
9: Marshall Faulk
8: Emmit Smith
7: Gale Sayers
6: OJ
5: Eric Dickerson
4: Barry Sanders
3: Earl Campbell
2: Walter Peyton
1: Jim Brown

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Seriously Jordy?

There was never a RB in the NFL that had Campbell's speed, explosiveness, and the pure ability to run over defenders like Earl Campbell.

And I know you saw him play.

You must have watched Campbell play with RamRod's glasses.

Yes I did.

He was more powerful than Sanders yes, but Sanders was a better RB IMO.

[NY2FLDWC85]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Both Jim Brown and Earl Campbell were much better RB's than Barry Sanders.

Not even a point worth argueing.

Wrong. Jim Brown had a MONSTER offensive line when compared to the laughing stock Barry had behind those Lion offensive lines.

Jim Brown played in 118 games and put up 2,359 carries, 12,312 rushing yards, 5.21 yards per carry, 106 rushing TD's, 262 receptions, 2,499 receiving yards, 20 TD receptions.

B.Sanders played in 153 games and put up 3,062 carries, 15,269 rushing yards, 4.98 yards per carry, 99 rushing TD's, 352 receptions, 2,921 receiving yards, 10 TD receptions.

Jim Brown wasn't better than Barry Sanders. Aren't we using the "Emmitt Smith" rule when judging RB's by their offensive lines? Jim Brown had amazing Cleveland Brown offensive lines. Barry Sanders had laughing stock jokes of offensive lines and still put up those types of numbers. Put Barry Sanders behind those Pittsburgh or god forbid Dallas offensive lines... And it's not even a topic of discussion.

[JetsFanatic]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

I'd put Sweetness ahead of Sanders as well. My all time top 10 list would look something like...

10: Marcus Allen
9: Marshall Faulk
8: Emmit Smith
7: Gale Sayers
6: OJ
5: Eric Dickerson
4: Barry Sanders
3: Earl Campbell
2: Walter Peyton
1: Jim Brown

OJ has to be hire then 6. I have him at 3 behind Peyton. Campbell didn't last long enough to warrant a #3 ranking.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Wrong. Jim Brown had a MONSTER offensive line when compared to the laughing stock Barry had behind those Lion offensive lines.

Jim Brown played in 118 games and put up 2,359 carries, 12,312 rushing yards, 106 rushing TD's, 262 receptions, 2,499 receiving yards, 20 TD receptions.

B.Sanders played in 153 games and put up 3,062 carries, 15,269 rushing yards, 99 rushing TD's, 352 receptions, 2,921 receiving yards, 10 TD receptions.

Jim Brown wasn't better than Barry Sanders. Aren't we using the "Emmitt Smith" rule when judging RB's by their offensive lines? Jim Brown had amazing Cleveland Brown offensive lines. Barry Sanders had laughing stock jokes of offensive lines and still put up those types of numbers. Put Barry Sanders behind those Pittsburgh or god forbid Dallas offensive lines... And it's not even a topic of discussion.

Brown wasn't better than Sanders?


You know $hit about football.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by JetsFanatic

Campbell was very talented however, even for a running back, he had a small window of premium production years.

Agree, that's the only downside to Earl Campbell.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Wrong. Jim Brown had a MONSTER offensive line when compared to the laughing stock Barry had behind those Lion offensive lines.

Jim Brown played in 118 games and put up 2,359 carries, 12,312 rushing yards, 5.21 yards per carry, 106 rushing TD's, 262 receptions, 2,499 receiving yards, 20 TD receptions.

B.Sanders played in 153 games and put up 3,062 carries, 15,269 rushing yards, 4.98 yards per carry, 99 rushing TD's, 352 receptions, 2,921 receiving yards, 10 TD receptions.

Jim Brown wasn't better than Barry Sanders. Aren't we using the "Emmitt Smith" rule when judging RB's by their offensive lines? Jim Brown had amazing Cleveland Brown offensive lines. Barry Sanders had laughing stock jokes of offensive lines and still put up those types of numbers. Put Barry Sanders behind those Pittsburgh or god forbid Dallas offensive lines... And it's not even a topic of discussion.

LOL. What do you know about the Cleveland Browns OL in the 50's-60's?

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Wrong.

You are telling me I am wrong about RB's you never saw play in your life?

Continue to throw up you stupid statistics and make yourself look like the fool you are.

Sanders better than Jim Brown?

You are a complete f****** joke.

Go make a stupid rap song and let people who know the game of football, talk about it on the message board.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by JetsFanatic

OJ has to be hire then 6. I have him at 3 behind Peyton. Campbell didn't last long enough to warrant a #3 ranking.

#3 is too high for OJ. I agree that I may have Campbell ranked too high. If memory serves he only had 6 or so healthy seasons. Same can be said of Gale Sayers, who may have been top 3 if his career wasn't cut so short.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by Jordy

LOL. What do you know about the Cleveland Browns OL in the 50's-60's?

Mama taught him how to Google on the typewriter.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by Jordy

Yes I did.

He was more powerful than Sanders yes, but Sanders was a better RB IMO.

That's your opinion, and I can respect that.

I still think Campbell was a more complete RB than Sanders.

Barry didn't do too well between the tackles.

[FF2®]

Originally Posted by Jordy

LOL. What do you know about the Cleveland Browns OL in the 50's-60's?

Please don't even ask him...right now he's cutting and pasting from Google.

[gunnails]

Context, and he was awesome in the Dirty Dozen.

#1

[NY2FLDWC85]

Originally Posted by Jordy

LOL. What do you know about the Cleveland Browns OL in the 50's-60's?

I know enough to know that Jim Brown was blessed with 3 hall of fame offensive lineman in Gene Hickerson, Mike McCormack and Lou Groza. How many HOF Offensive lineman led the way for Barry Sanders and those laughing stock offensive lines? I may have never seen Jim Brown play the game (live), but my grandfather was a die hard football fan who not only raved about Jim Brown himself, but Cleveland's offensive lines. I just consider Barry Sanders as the greatest back of all-time (and that's my opinion). I also wonder what type of career Sanders would've had rushing behind 3 HOF offensive lineman...

[Matt39]

Peterson should be in the convo...

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

I know enough to know that Jim Brown was blessed with 3 hall of fame offensive lineman.

How the hell do you know that?

You were living in your father's ball sack when Jim Brown played.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

I know enough to know that Jim Brown was blessed with 3 hall of fame offensive lineman in Gene Hickerson, Mike McCormack and Lou Groza. How many HOF Offensive lineman led the way for Barry Sanders and those laughing stock offensive lines? I may have never seen Jim Brown play the game (live), but my grandfather was a die hard football fan who not only raved about Jim Brown himself, but Cleveland's offensive lines. I just consider Barry Sanders as the greatest back of all-time (and that's my opinion). I also wonder what type of career Sanders would've had rushing behind 3 HOF offensive lineman...

Took you a long time to Google that. You're slipping.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

I know enough to know that Jim Brown was blessed with 3 hall of fame offensive lineman in Gene Hickerson, Mike McCormack and Lou Groza. How many HOF Offensive lineman led the way for Barry Sanders and those laughing stock offensive lines? I may have never seen Jim Brown play the game (live), but my grandfather was a die hard football fan who not only raved about Jim Brown himself, but Cleveland's offensive lines. I just consider Barry Sanders as the greatest back of all-time (and that's my opinion). I also wonder what type of career Sanders would've had rushing behind 3 HOF offensive lineman...

LOL.

It's amazing what one can learn in a 20 minute span on Google.

By the way, Groza was a kicker for most of Brown's career. Did you miss that sentence?