Sal P calls out the Jets drafting over the last 5 years.

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

You don't use a 1st round draft pick for a "developmental" player or a nickel back.

Fact of the matter is Wilson was unable to beat out Cromartie for the starting CB position and Rex is just spinning it like he always does.

You're full of ****, you're wrong, STFU troll!

[Spectre]

Take a deep breath and relax.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

You're full of ****, you're wrong, STFU troll!

Yea, all the good, successful teams throw away the 29th overall draft pick on a developmental nickel back.

No wonder it's 43 years and counting.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Yes, we did. Rex Ryan made that very clear after the draft selecting of Kyle Wilson. We drafted Wilson to develop and become our future Nickel

Please provide a link to this revelation by Rex Ryan. Since you said that Ryan made it clear that Wilson was drafted specifically to become the Jets future nickel.

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

So please, provide me with a quote of Tanny or Rex "making it known" that we drafted Kyle Wilson to become our "number two CB" after only his rookie season. You're dead wrong as wrong can be Jordy. I just posted actual quotes of Tanny stressing the importance of featuring a loaded backfield (due to NFL passing attacks of this era being at an All-Time high) along with Rex Ryan making it known that we drafted Wilson as our Nickel back and future punt returner.

Nice little argument you tried to put up though.

I'm not wrong. I don't need to provide a link. It's called common sense. Something you don't have because you don't have the requisite sense.

Please list for me all of the CB's drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Draft over the years that were drafted specifically to be a future nickel back. In other words, please list all of those 1st round draft picks that weren't drafted in the hopes that they would become a #1 or #2 CB in the NFL. Please list for me all the CB's who a team would waste a 1st round pick on with the sole intention of making that CB a nickel back. You realize that nickel backs aren't starters right? Who drafts a player at ANY position in the 1st round and doesn't expect that player to be a starter? In fact, most are expected to start within 2-3 years AT MOST.

No offense. But I am actually starting to believe that you are certifiably insane.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Coach Rex Ryan stated that "Wilson will be the Jets' starting nickelback and compete for the job as the primary punt returner".

LOL. I suppose this is your proof?

Ryan was talking about 2010. Cromartie was going to be playing on a one year contract.

The Jets were hoping that Wilson could come in and gradually develop into the #2 CB by 2011 next to Revis. After his 2010 season, that clearly wasn't going to happen. Hence the big push for Aso and then the frantic push to re-sign Cromartie. Prove that this is wrong.

[FF2®]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Senator wants to know why NFL destroyed Patriots spy tapes

"WASHINGTON -- With the Super Bowl fast approaching, a senior Republican senator says he wants the NFL to explain why it destroyed evidence from the New England Patriots cheating scandal.

"I am very concerned about the underlying facts on the taping, the reasons for the judgment on the limited penalties and, most of all, on the inexplicable destruction of the tapes," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., wrote Thursday in a letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the matter could put the league's antitrust exemption at risk. In a telephone interview with the Times on Thursday, he said the committee at some point will call Goodell to address the antitrust exemption as well as the destruction of the tapes.

"Their antitrust exemption has been on my mind for a long time," he said in a Capitol Hill news conference Friday.

Goodell, in his previously scheduled news conference Friday in Phoenix, said, "I am more than willing to speak with the senator. There are very good explanations why the tapes were destroyed by our staff -- there was no purpose for them."

"We wanted to take and destroy that information," Goodell said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."

The matter might not compare to the CIA's destruction of interrogation tapes, Specter said Friday, but he added, "I do believe that it is a matter of importance. It's not going to displace the stimulus package or the Iraq war, but I think the integrity of football is very important, and I think the National Football League has a special duty to the American people -- and further the Congress -- because they have an antitrust exemption."

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, CONGRESS GOT INVOLVED, AND IT'S MORE THAN OBVIOUS THE NFL PULLED OFF A COVER UP IN REGARDS TO THE PATRIOTS CHEATING.

So ONE CONGRESSMAN, representing...wait for it...the Philadelphia area, , (after McNabb upchucked the SB away, and the NFL didn't give him fee SB tickets he had requested) made a sad pathetic play for some votes.

Please show me where Congress was involved.

Did Spector take up Goodell on his offer?

Please show me where this went?

If seems so serious and legit! Were there hearing hearing held? I must have missed it.

Go back to vomiting out stats. Its what you do best.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by OCCH

You gotta love how Jets fans jump on their own, but continue to tolerate trolls as if they're a necessary evil . . .

What is wrong with pointing out or stating the truth?

Is this supposed to be a board based in fantasy where everything is perfect and wonderful and the Jets have been to the Super Bowl a few times since 1969?

Can you not handle truth? Or do you like to have the wool pulled over your eyes every year? Hiding your head in the sand wanting to believe.

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by Jordy

LOL. I suppose this is your proof?

Ryan was talking about 2010. Cromartie was going to be playing on a one year contract.

The Jets were hoping that Wilson could come in and gradually develop into the #2 CB by 2011 next to Revis. After his 2010 season, that clearly wasn't going to happen. Hence the big push for Aso and then the frantic push to re-sign Cromartie. Prove that this is wrong.

Well, as stated here,

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...cb-kyle-wilson

Jets head coach Rex Ryan immediately named Wilson their starting nickelback and will get a shot to be the punt returner.

Furthermore, the drafting of Wilson seems to have been a hedge against Revis holding out as well as an attempt to upgrade over Sheppard, Coleman, Lowery, etc.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

Well, as stated here,

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...cb-kyle-wilson

Jets head coach Rex Ryan immediately named Wilson their starting nickelback and will get a shot to be the punt returner.

Furthermore, the drafting of Wilson seems to have been a hedge against Revis holding out as well as an attempt to upgrade over Sheppard, Coleman, Lowery, etc.

Right?

This is from the same comment.

I don't deny that Wilson was slotted to be the nickel in 2010 behind Revis and Cromartie. That much is pretty obvious.

But Cro had a one year deal. The Jets didn't extend him when they traded for him or during the pre-season. My contention is that the Jets drafted Wilson to start opposite Revis in 2011. But he **** the bed and they went to Plan B.

And it's possible that the Jets may have still went after Aso, even if Wilson showed the requisite skill, with the opportunity to have a once in a lifetime CB duo. But I don't think they would have gone after Cro once Aso rebuffed them.

[NY2FLDWC85]

The Jets gave up a 2nd round draft pick for Antonio Cromartie. You don't give up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see him walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't give up a 2nd round talent, for a "one year stop gap". That's what free agency is for.

Tanny traded our 2nd round draft pick for an All-Pro type of CB in Cromartie (6' 2", 210 lbs) followed by the drafting of our future Nickel Back in Kyle Wilson during the first round (5' 10", 190 lbs).

Tanny made it known, right after the drafting of Kyle Wilson, that our goal was to create the strongest group of CB's in order to compete with heavy passing attacks of this NFL era. That's exactly what we've done. We're formed the strongest trio of CB's in today's NFL in Revis and Cromartie on the outside along with Wilson coming into his own out of the Nickel. This has been the plan since day one. Either Revis/Cromartie/Wilson or Revis/Aso/Wilson; but it was never just about Revis/Wilson/X.

Creating for the strongest trio of CB's in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson has been well worth the two first rounders (Revis and Wilson) and 2nd rounder (Cromartie). If either Revis or Cromartie go down due to an injury, Kyle Wilson will become our #1 or #2 CB on the outside. Our front office knew what they were doing since A.) The trading of a 2nd round draft pick in order to land Cromartie and B.) The drafting of of Kyle Wilson during the 1st round. Cromartie provided us with a top of the line type of #2 CB (Really a #1 CB) and Kyle Wilson solidified our CB situation for many of years to come.

Just because Kyle Wilson is a 1st round draft pick means nothing, not when Antonio Cromartie is also a 1st round talent in which we gave up a 2nd round draft pick for. Once again, there is no chance that Tanny would have ever gave up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see Cromartie walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't trade away a 2nd round draft selection, for a "one year stop gap" with nothing back in return the following season. The only way we were willing to see Cromartie walk, is if we landed the best CB in football outside of Revis in Aso. Which would have created for the greatest CB duo of All-Time.

[Rexipus Rex]

Hypothetical: Last year, Wilson is deemed good enough to be the #2 CB so that Cro is expendable. Who is the nickel then?

Look, Wilson hasn't been as good as expected thus far. That's not really debatable, nor, however, has he been a flop. But for a coach who places a premium on CBs and a league that demands a 3rd corner to be on the field for over half the snaps, I don't see what all the hubbub is here, guys. You can get away with having interchangeable parts at the dime spot, but a nickel corner is pretty much a starter in today's NFL.

The true barometer will be in 2014 when Cro will most likely not be around and Wilson will be in the last year of his rookie deal. If Wilson plateaus as a nickel and can't show any promise as the starter, then there isn't really a reason to sign him to a second contract. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Jets use a top 4 round pick on a corner this upcoming draft.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

The Jets gave up a 2nd round draft pick for Antonio Cromartie. You don't give up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see him walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't give up a 2nd round talent, for a "one year stop gap". That's what free agency is for.

Tanny traded our 2nd round draft pick for an All-Pro type of CB in Cromartie (6' 2", 210 lbs) followed by the drafting of our future Nickel Back in Kyle Wilson during the first round (5' 10", 190 lbs).

Tanny made it known, right after the drafting of Kyle Wilson, that our goal was to create the strongest group of CB's in order to compete with heavy passing attacks of this NFL era. That's exactly what we've done. We're formed the strongest trio of CB's in today's NFL in Revis and Cromartie on the outside along with Wilson coming into his own out of the Nickel. This has been the plan since day one. Either Revis/Cromartie/Wilson or Revis/Aso/Wilson; but it was never just about Revis/Wilson/X.

Creating for the strongest trio of CB's in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson has been well worth the two first rounders (Revis and Wilson) and 2nd rounder (Cromartie). If either Revis or Cromartie go down due to an injury, Kyle Wilson will become our #1 or #2 CB on the outside. Our front office knew what they were doing since A.) The trading of a 2nd round draft pick in order to land Cromartie and B.) The drafting of of Kyle Wilson during the 1st round. Cromartie provided us with a top of the line type of #2 CB (Really a #1 CB) and Kyle Wilson solidified our CB situation for many of years to come.

Just because Kyle Wilson is a 1st round draft pick means nothing, not when Antonio Cromartie is also a 1st round talent in which we gave up a 2nd round draft pick for. Once again, there is no chance that Tanny would have ever gave up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see Cromartie walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't trade away a 2nd round draft selection, for a "one year stop gap" with nothing back in return the following season. The only way we were willing to see Cromartie walk, is if we landed the best CB in football outside of Revis in Aso. Which would have created for the greatest CB duo of All-Time.

[NY2FLDWC85]

Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex

But for a coach who places a premium on CBs and a league that demands a 3rd corner to be on the field for over half the snaps, I don't see what all the hubbub is here, guys. You can get away with having interchangeable parts at the dime spot, but a nickel corner is pretty much a starter in today's NFL.

Exactly, which I consider Kyle Wilson a starter.

When Rex Ryan came to NY, he understood that we featured the NFL's best overall CB in Darrelle Revis. As a great defensive coach, he knew the ability that Revis has in regards to completely eliminating opposing #1 WR's would be all for not, if #2 CB's such as Lito Sheppard got picked on all day (opposite of Revis) or if our nickel backs couldn't step up in pressure situation.

Rex Ryan and Tanny put a plan together, that plan was to form one of the strongest trio of CB's this league has ever seen; which is why we A.) Signed Revis long term. B.) Traded a 2nd round draft pick in order to land an All-Pro type of talent in Cromartie as our #2 CB opposite of Revis C.) Drafted Kyle Wilson during the 1st round in order to solidify our trio of CB's for many of years to come. D.) Went after Aso in order to field the NFL's greatest 1-2 punch (of all-time) at the CB position followed by E.) Locking up Cromartie long term.

We have 3 first round talents at CB in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson. Job well done (front office). Our front office would have never, in a million years, gave up a 2nd round draft pick for a "one year rental" just to see Cromartie walk for absolutely nothing the following season.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Exactly, which I consider Kyle Wilson a starter.

When Rex Ryan came to NY, he understood that we featured the NFL's best overall CB in Darrelle Revis. As a great defensive coach, he knew the ability that Revis has in regards to completely eliminating opposing #1 WR's would be all for not, if #2 CB's such as Lito Sheppard got picked on all day (opposite of Revis) or if our nickel backs couldn't step up in pressure situation.

Rex Ryan and Tanny put a plan together, that plan was to form one of the strongest trio of CB's this league has ever seen; which is why we A.) Signed Revis long term. B.) Traded a 2nd round draft pick in order to land an All-Pro type of talent in Cromartie as our #2 CB opposite of Revis C.) Drafted Kyle Wilson during the 1st round in order to solidify our trio of CB's for many of years to come. D.) Went after Aso in order to field the NFL's greatest 1-2 punch (of all-time) at the CB position followed by E.) Locking up Cromartie long term.

We have 3 first round talents at CB in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson. Job well done (front office).

[jpoppy7]

Wilson's not a bust because he is a nickel back and isn't the #2 CB.

He's arguably a bust (though I think it's too early to label him one) because he's not even an above-average 3rd CB.

[Rob0729]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

The Jets gave up a 2nd round draft pick for Antonio Cromartie. You don't give up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see him walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't give up a 2nd round talent, for a "one year stop gap". That's what free agency is for.

Tanny traded our 2nd round draft pick for an All-Pro type of CB in Cromartie (6' 2", 210 lbs) followed by the drafting of our future Nickel Back in Kyle Wilson during the first round (5' 10", 190 lbs).

Tanny made it known, right after the drafting of Kyle Wilson, that our goal was to create the strongest group of CB's in order to compete with heavy passing attacks of this NFL era. That's exactly what we've done. We're formed the strongest trio of CB's in today's NFL in Revis and Cromartie on the outside along with Wilson coming into his own out of the Nickel. This has been the plan since day one. Either Revis/Cromartie/Wilson or Revis/Aso/Wilson; but it was never just about Revis/Wilson/X.

Creating for the strongest trio of CB's in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson has been well worth the two first rounders (Revis and Wilson) and 2nd rounder (Cromartie). If either Revis or Cromartie go down due to an injury, Kyle Wilson will become our #1 or #2 CB on the outside. Our front office knew what they were doing since A.) The trading of a 2nd round draft pick in order to land Cromartie and B.) The drafting of of Kyle Wilson during the 1st round. Cromartie provided us with a top of the line type of #2 CB (Really a #1 CB) and Kyle Wilson solidified our CB situation for many of years to come.

Just because Kyle Wilson is a 1st round draft pick means nothing, not when Antonio Cromartie is also a 1st round talent in which we gave up a 2nd round draft pick for. Once again, there is no chance that Tanny would have ever gave up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see Cromartie walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't trade away a 2nd round draft selection, for a "one year stop gap" with nothing back in return the following season. The only way we were willing to see Cromartie walk, is if we landed the best CB in football outside of Revis in Aso. Which would have created for the greatest CB duo of All-Time.

A correction. The Jets traded Cromartie for a conditional third round pick. It was upgraded to a second because Cromartie played most of the snaps on defense and the Jets made the playoffs.

He was an one year rent a player who was a stopgap for Wilson to develop into a starter. He exceeded expectations, but he still was nothing more than a consolation prize to the Asomgha sweepstakes. If any team went after Cromartie hard while the Jets were waiting for Nmamdi to make up his mind, the Jets wouldn't have had him either.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

The Jets gave up a 2nd round draft pick for Antonio Cromartie. You don't give up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see him walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't give up a 2nd round talent, for a "one year stop gap". That's what free agency is for.

Tanny traded our 2nd round draft pick for an All-Pro type of CB in Cromartie (6' 2", 210 lbs) followed by the drafting of our future Nickel Back in Kyle Wilson during the first round (5' 10", 190 lbs).

Tanny made it known, right after the drafting of Kyle Wilson, that our goal was to create the strongest group of CB's in order to compete with heavy passing attacks of this NFL era. That's exactly what we've done. We're formed the strongest trio of CB's in today's NFL in Revis and Cromartie on the outside along with Wilson coming into his own out of the Nickel. This has been the plan since day one. Either Revis/Cromartie/Wilson or Revis/Aso/Wilson; but it was never just about Revis/Wilson/X.

Creating for the strongest trio of CB's in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson has been well worth the two first rounders (Revis and Wilson) and 2nd rounder (Cromartie). If either Revis or Cromartie go down due to an injury, Kyle Wilson will become our #1 or #2 CB on the outside. Our front office knew what they were doing since A.) The trading of a 2nd round draft pick in order to land Cromartie and B.) The drafting of of Kyle Wilson during the 1st round. Cromartie provided us with a top of the line type of #2 CB (Really a #1 CB) and Kyle Wilson solidified our CB situation for many of years to come.

Just because Kyle Wilson is a 1st round draft pick means nothing, not when Antonio Cromartie is also a 1st round talent in which we gave up a 2nd round draft pick for. Once again, there is no chance that Tanny would have ever gave up a 2nd round draft pick for a 1st round talent, only to see Cromartie walk the following season for absolutely nothing back in return. You don't trade away a 2nd round draft selection, for a "one year stop gap" with nothing back in return the following season. The only way we were willing to see Cromartie walk, is if we landed the best CB in football outside of Revis in Aso. Which would have created for the greatest CB duo of All-Time.

In other words, you were unable to find another example of a CB being drafted in the 1st round to be a career nickel.

You could have just said that. "I can't find another example." Because it doesn't exist dude.

All the spin in the world is not going to make it right.

By the way, it appears that the Jets WERE prepared to lose Cromartie after the 2010 season as they allowed him to find work elsewhere while they negotiated with Aso. If Cro wasn't available, then what?

[Rob0729]

Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Exactly, which I consider Kyle Wilson a starter.

When Rex Ryan came to NY, he understood that we featured the NFL's best overall CB in Darrelle Revis. As a great defensive coach, he knew the ability that Revis has in regards to completely eliminating opposing #1 WR's would be all for not, if #2 CB's such as Lito Sheppard got picked on all day (opposite of Revis) or if our nickel backs couldn't step up in pressure situation.

Rex Ryan and Tanny put a plan together, that plan was to form one of the strongest trio of CB's this league has ever seen; which is why we A.) Signed Revis long term. B.) Traded a 2nd round draft pick in order to land an All-Pro type of talent in Cromartie as our #2 CB opposite of Revis C.) Drafted Kyle Wilson during the 1st round in order to solidify our trio of CB's for many of years to come. D.) Went after Aso in order to field the NFL's greatest 1-2 punch (of all-time) at the CB position followed by E.) Locking up Cromartie long term.

We have 3 first round talents at CB in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson. Job well done (front office). Our front office would have never, in a million years, gave up a 2nd round draft pick for a "one year rental" just to see Cromartie walk for absolutely nothing the following season.

Just because teams use subpackages a lot and up to more than half the time, a nickelback is not a starter.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex

Hypothetical: Last year, Wilson is deemed good enough to be the #2 CB so that Cro is expendable. Who is the nickel then?

Look, Wilson hasn't been as good as expected thus far. That's not really debatable, nor, however, has he been a flop. But for a coach who places a premium on CBs and a league that demands a 3rd corner to be on the field for over half the snaps, I don't see what all the hubbub is here, guys. You can get away with having interchangeable parts at the dime spot, but a nickel corner is pretty much a starter in today's NFL.

The true barometer will be in 2014 when Cro will most likely not be around and Wilson will be in the last year of his rookie deal. If Wilson plateaus as a nickel and can't show any promise as the starter, then there isn't really a reason to sign him to a second contract. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Jets use a top 4 round pick on a corner this upcoming draft.

It all started because of DWC and his long-winded and the outlandish, unverified claims within.

To answer your question, I would guess Lowery, Strickland and/or Cole (or an available FA) as the nickel to replace Wilson in your scenario.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by Rob0729

A correction. The Jets traded Cromartie for a conditional third round pick. It was upgraded to a second because Cromartie played most of the snaps on defense and the Jets made the playoffs.

He was an one year rent a player who was a stopgap for Wilson to develop into a starter. He exceeded expectations, but he still was nothing more than a consolation prize to the Asomgha sweepstakes. If any team went after Cromartie hard while the Jets were waiting for Nmamdi to make up his mind, the Jets wouldn't have had him either.

This guy gets it.

And he's a pats fan.

Geezus, it's really not that hard and it certainly doesn't warrant 500 word posts to try and convince those of us who know better.