Very Pessimistic: The Beginning of the End

[JetsMakeMeCry]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Other than Mangold missing a few games, what other key player did the Jets lose to injury last year?

brandon moore and matt slauson played pretty hurt. slauson actually had surgery, didn't he?

I think the O-line suffered the most from injury with the only 2 really healthy guys being d'brick and hunter.

and don't forget sanchez. we now know he played with at least a pinched nerve that affected his throwing arm if not worse...

[Jetworks]

Originally Posted by rextilleon

On the eve of the opening of camp, its very sad to see what the Jets have become. Our offense has been totally ignored--with our number one receiver being a disgruntled prima dona who is not even top ten in the league. Our second receiver is Kerley? Our third receiver is a rookie? Our tight end is totally over-rated. But Rex and BeanCounter know better--we will become a ground and pound team with that scintillating super star, Shonn Greene, carrying the ball, backed up by McKnight! And who is going to open up the holes for these super stars. Mangold can't play all the positions. And what did Bean and Mouth do to improve this mediocre unit? They hired a new coach and gave him nothing to work with but Tim Tebow!

Yes the defense will be top 5-10, but trust me, this will not get them to the playoffs. The only positive thing I can see happening this season is that people will finally understand that Rex is at best, a defensive coordinator and that Bean Counter is at best is an accountant.

I'm prepared for the hate of the fanboys. Just keeping it real.

Joe Beningno called, he wants his schtick back.

Originally Posted by Dirtstar

love it...


being optimistic = fanboys

being pessimistic = keeping it real



SOJF

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by Jetworks

Joe Beningno called, he wants his schtick back.

Some time ago rextilleon admitted he has fun playing Debbie Downer..

[Ruby2]

Originally Posted by 124

Wait, what?

We were handed wins against Buffalo (home game, obviously) and Washington, not to mention by Tony Romo.

Every single thing that could go right happened in 2010. Not every single thing that could go wrong happened last year. Could and should have been worse.

Talking about never recovering our fumbles, the other teams always recorvering their own, opponents hitting every single goddamn field goal, having a sieve of an o line, having a crappy coordinator, Haloti Ngatta somehow being allowed to rough the passer multiple times, Santonio fumbling the Eagles game away before it got started, etc.

All things that have been discussed here.

The Jets didn't catch any breaks last year, outside of the Dallas game. They played legit better than the Bills and Redskins in those games.

[WestCoastOffensive]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

12 wins? In 51 years, our franchise has won 12 games one time. And this is the team we are going to get our second 12 win season with?

You fantasy land homers dont realize how good you need to be to win 12 games in this league.

With the lack of playmakers on the offensive side of the ball, 10 wins is the max this team can achieve this year. And thats if every bounce went the Jets way.

So, what you're predicting is the Jets get all the lucky breaks? 13-3 baby!

Rex will deliver the Lucky 13 to Florham Park.

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Ruby2

Every single thing that could go wrong did last year and we still won 8 games.

We will be in the playoff hunt, and I think the defense can return to a 2009 level.

That's a low-standards SOJF attitude if I ever heard it.

Last year we were a Super Bowl favorite, primed after back-to-back deep playoff runs having defeated River's Chargers, Manning's Colts, and Brady's Patriots in succession. We were adding a few luxuries, a few missing pieces like Plaxico and going for the kill.

Last year's team had 12 win talent and we won 8.

This year's team has 7 win talent and we'll win 6.

You shouldn't be making excuses for last years team. You should be pissed as hell at how our head coach and GM blew it.

SAR I

[TurkJetFan]

Originally Posted by rextilleon

On the eve of the opening of camp, its very sad to see what the Jets have become. Our offense has been totally ignored--with our number one receiver being a disgruntled prima dona who is not even top ten in the league. Our second receiver is Kerley? Our third receiver is a rookie? Our tight end is totally over-rated. But Rex and BeanCounter know better--we will become a ground and pound team with that scintillating super star, Shonn Greene, carrying the ball, backed up by McKnight! And who is going to open up the holes for these super stars. Mangold can't play all the positions. And what did Bean and Mouth do to improve this mediocre unit? They hired a new coach and gave him nothing to work with but Tim Tebow!

Yes the defense will be top 5-10, but trust me, this will not get them to the playoffs. The only positive thing I can see happening this season is that people will finally understand that Rex is at best, a defensive coordinator and that Bean Counter is at best is an accountant.

I'm prepared for the hate of the fanboys. Just keeping it real.

Awesome...Looks like your Sundays can be free for the fall and winter.

[DDNYjets]

Originally Posted by SAR I

That's a low-standards SOJF attitude if I ever heard it.


SAR I

I agree with this (although I do NOT think Ruby is a SOJF). People call someone a SOJF if they are skeptical or critical. But IMO, it is worse to be content or complacent with what has gone on and make excuses. I am not happy with 2 AFCCG appearances. I understand that the team sucked for years before Parcells came but that is not an excuse to be "grateful" for a sliver of success. We should stop making excuses for this team and demand success.

This is why I loved George Steinbrenner so much. If you don't win a championship, the season was a failure. No complacency, no back slapping.

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Jet Nut

Yes, because when we think of those involved in productive, realistic conversation you, bigdanNJ, Joe W. Namath, Rextilleon, DDNY and the rest of the sky is falling SOJF crew comes to mind.

Talk about delusional...

We were all happy and on the same page in 2010 and 2011. Remember why? Because the realists looked at the roster and the prior year's experience and came to the conclusion that we were up-and-coming legit contenders. We used our eyes and made a good prognostication and you felt good about us. Today we use our eyes and make a similarly good prognostication and you feel like we're negative because you can't help but be foolishly positive.

The reason you perceive us to be worlds apart now is because you're a blind homer and we're realistic and for 2012 the two thoughts don't mesh whereas in the 2010 and 2011 offseasons they did.

SAR I

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Please re-read my post. I stated the jets could be a 10 win team. Thats not sky is falling buddy. Its called being realistic based on our teams talent and the history of this franchise. Something you blind homers know nothing about or choose to ignore.

+1

The sky has fallen on our dream of a Super Bowl under the Ryan regime but we still have enough players to be an average 7-8 win team and, with some luck, eke out another 9 win wildcard. I don't think that would surprise anyone.

In case no one noticed, the only ticket the Jets ever get to the postseason is if we hold serve and beat the Patriots at least once. That's always the swing game to our wildcard aspirations. You have to ask yourself if the gap has closed on us vs. the Patriots considering last year's crushing defeats. I don't see it. The Patriots took a deliberate step back in '09 and '10 to rebuild on-the-fly. They're young and experienced now, will be better than last year.

SAR I

[ASG0531]

Originally Posted by JetsMakeMeCry

brandon moore and matt slauson played pretty hurt. slauson actually had surgery, didn't he?

I think the O-line suffered the most from injury with the only 2 really healthy guys being d'brick and hunter.

and don't forget sanchez. we now know he played with at least a pinched nerve that affected his throwing arm if not worse...

Are we really playing this game? Every NFL player is banged up over the course of the season. There isn't an O-lineman in the league who isn't suffering from something.

The Jets were nothing special regarding injuries last season and to blame it all on that is not constructive analysis, because a new season and new injuries are coming.

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by ironman61

Cmon! Start of training camp should be a blast!

That's Mets fan talk right there. Be excited about being Preseason Champions, get pumped because everyone's 0-0.

Many Jets fans are Yankees fans. We know a winner when we see one. Know a turd, too.

SAR I

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Jetworks

Joe Beningno called, he wants his schtick back.

When pundits tell you what you want to hear, they're "great".

When pundits tell you what you don't want to hear, it's "schtick".

I'll tell you what's the worst "schtick" of all- Jets Insider Blind Homers who run around every July touting how great our team is going to be and putting down anyone with a contrary opinion. And their schtick hits its all-time high when the Jets are downtrodden, out of it, and they run for the hills. And then they magically reappear in March and start telling us how great the team is going to be. Give it a rest.

SAR I

[Jmat321]

Originally Posted by rextilleon

On the eve of the opening of camp, its very sad to see what the Jets have become. Our offense has been totally ignored--with our number one receiver being a disgruntled prima dona who is not even top ten in the league. Our second receiver is Kerley? Our third receiver is a rookie? Our tight end is totally over-rated. But Rex and BeanCounter know better--we will become a ground and pound team with that scintillating super star, Shonn Greene, carrying the ball, backed up by McKnight! And who is going to open up the holes for these super stars. Mangold can't play all the positions. And what did Bean and Mouth do to improve this mediocre unit? They hired a new coach and gave him nothing to work with but Tim Tebow!

Yes the defense will be top 5-10, but trust me, this will not get them to the playoffs. The only positive thing I can see happening this season is that people will finally understand that Rex is at best, a defensive coordinator and that Bean Counter is at best is an accountant.

I'm prepared for the hate of the fanboys. Just keeping it real.

I agree 100%. 20+ years of caring too much about this team. Only thing I have learned is that there is a never ending cycle of getting everyone's hopes up, collapsing and being completely irrelevant. It's just played out very slow with the Ryan era. 2 good years, a .500 season, not until now will we get the eventual 5-11 season.

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Ruby2

The Jets didn't catch any breaks last year, outside of the Dallas game. They played legit better than the Bills and Redskins in those games.

I really liked how clutch the Jets were last year. Coming out ready to play at Philadelphia with the season on the line. Coming out for the kill against the downtrodden Giants with the season on the line. Coming out for blood against the Dolphins with the season on the line.

I could care less about 'breaks'. How about the team playing up to its potential against inferior competition? How about a team that was this close to the Super Bowl on back-to-back seasons playing with a sense of urgency? Some passion? Some fire?

SAR I

[Ruby2]

Originally Posted by SAR I

That's a low-standards SOJF attitude if I ever heard it.

Last year we were a Super Bowl favorite, primed after back-to-back deep playoff runs having defeated River's Chargers, Manning's Colts, and Brady's Patriots in succession. We were adding a few luxuries, a few missing pieces like Plaxico and going for the kill.

Last year's team had 12 win talent and we won 8.

This year's team has 7 win talent and we'll win 6.

You shouldn't be making excuses for last years team. You should be pissed as hell at how our head coach and GM blew it.

SAR I

This years team is more talented than last years.

As a fan all you can ever ask for is to be in the hunt. Expecting a championship every year is dumb and just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Considering that you are a Mets fan and a Ranger fan (happy with 1 cup btw), I am sure you can understand this position

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Jmat321

I agree 100%. 20+ years of caring too much about this team. Only thing I have learned is that there is a never ending cycle of getting everyone's hopes up, collapsing and being completely irrelevant. It's just played out very slow with the Ryan era. 2 good years, a .500 season, not until now will we get the eventual 5-11 season.

Rex Ryan went 9-7, 11-5, and 8-8 the precise average of the likes of Herman Edwards and Eric Mangini when they had healthy QB's. Meanwhile, the rebuilding Patriots (yawn) win 13 games routinely (yawn) while we are lucky just to eke out a wildcard appearance.

The confidence the SOBH show in this clown is atrocious.

SAR I

[SAR I]

Ruby2 This years team is more talented than last years.

How? Old guys returning from injury, free agent old guys coming to us from injury, and some rookies? We lost our backfield receiving threat (LT) and our red zone scoring threat (PB) and didn't address S or RT or WR.

As a fan all you can ever ask for is to be in the hunt. Expecting a championship every year is dumb and just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Exactly. We're not in the hunt. That's what's disappointing. We're last year's epic fail with a few broken FA's and questionable rookies. The Patriots are, again, the class of the AFC and the gap is widening.

As a Mets fan and a Ranger fan (happy with 1 cup btw), I am sure you can understand this position

The Rangers overachieved last year in what was supposed to be a slow crawl to respectability. Very much like the '09 Jets.

The Mets let everyone go because of financial woes. Not like any team I've ever seen in NY.

The Jets were a win-now team in '10 and a win-right-now team in '11 and are at a bad crossroads until Rex Ryan is gone and someone else learns to win with the talent that we have. The start of the season is brutal and we can't beat the Patriots. Sitting at 2-5 we're going to be a train wreck.

SAR I

[parafly]

Originally Posted by SAR I

Last year's team had 12 win talent and we won 8.

This year's team has 7 win talent and we'll win 6.

Just curious ... in your opinion, why such a dramatic decline in talent? Who have we lost to justify this statement? Leonard, Tomlinson, and Burress account for 5 wins?

[Ruby2]

You may think this team is flawed, fine whatever.

But to say that this years team isn't more talented than last year after the additions of physical freaks such as Coples, Hill, Otah, etc. well thats just trolling.