Michael Irvin wants to add Belichick’s name to the Lombardi Trophy - Page 10 - Jets Insider.com Forums

Mohegangreen · 08-03-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

The proof is in the pudding.

You can tell who watch the games and have no clue about what's happening on the field besides down,distance, and basic play.

Some of the posts expose how little some see when they watch a game. I say this for every team's fans. They have no concept of the schemes going on and what the team is trying to do.

I believe that the "All 22" game film is being offered this year. I hope that there is a thread or two each week discussing the film. When you understand what's going on from a scheme point of view, you see which coaches are sharp and which ones are clueless... same of the fans. When you see how a certain play is played and the concept used to counter something, it's pretty easy to spot good coaching.

I'm not singling out anyone individually but it's pretty easy to spot people who whose mouths run faster than their brains.

Agreed

Mohegangreen · 08-03-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Once again, Belichick has a career losing record of 51-62 without Tom Brady starting under center.

Once again, Bill Belichick put together a losing record of 20-28 during his first 3 years as head coach. 3 losing seasons. 0 playoff appearances. Defenses that ranked 12th, 14th and 18th (defensive genius my ass).

Once again, Rex Ryan has put together a winning record of 32-22 during his first 3 years as head coach, which includes a 4-2 road playoff record. Has eliminated QB's and teams such as Palmer and the Bengals, Rivers and the Chargers, Manning and the Colts, Brady and the Patriots. 2 winning seasons (0 losing seasons). 2 playoff appearances. Defenses that ranked 1st, 3rd and 5th. A true defensive genius.

51-62. Nothing more than a tainted fraud. Loss of a first round draft pick come to mind?

7 seasons without having Brady start under center, 5 losing seasons and only 1 postseason appearance without Brady leading the way. He's also coached/led some awful defenses along the way.

Please try to be a little realistic...
Lets wait til our Jets can finish at least one season with a better record than Belichick and the Pats, (it still hasn't happened, yet,) before we try to make him as ordinary as our revolving door of HC's over the years

NY2FLDWC85 · 08-03-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

Please try to be a little realistic...
Lets wait til our Jets can finish at least one season with a better record than Belichick and the Pats, (it still hasn't happened, yet,) before we try to make him as ordinary as our revolving door of HC's over the years

It's because of Brady, not Belichick, but because of Brady; and there lies the difference.

Bill Belichick has coached 7 seasons without Brady under center. 5 losing seasons and only 1 postseason appearance. Career losing record of 51-62 without Brady under Center.

Tom Brady on the other hand? He's an all-time great. 10 seasons as an NFL starter. 10 winning season. Never once missed the playoffs. Career record of 124-35.

None of this is a coincidence.

Brady is an all-time great.

Belichick is a tainted fraud.

It's as simple as that.

Without Brady starting under center, Belichick has gone 51-62, 7 seasons (5 losing seasons with only one playoff appearance).

Brady on the other hand? 10 seasons. 10 playoff appearances. Career record of 124-35.

It's clear as day to see, especially on the football field. Brady is a machine, he can't be stopped. He's an all-time great. And that has nothing to do with the so called "defensive genius" known as Bill Belichick who's featured laughing stock defense after laughing stock defense.

Mohegangreen · 08-03-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

It's because of Brady, not Belichick, that's the difference.

Bill Belichick has coached 7 seasons without Brady under center. 5 losing seasons and only 1 postseason appearance. Career losing record of 51-62 without Brady under Center.

Tom Brady on the other hand? He's an all-time great. 10 seasons as an NFL starter. 10 winning season. Never once missed the playoffs. Career record of 124-35.

None of this is a coincidence. Brady is an all-time great. Belichick is a fraud. Without Brady starting under center, Belichick has gone 51-62, 7 seasons (5 losing seasons with only one playoff appearance). Brady on the other hand? 10 seasons. 10 playoff appearances. Career record of 124-35.

It's clear as day to see, especially on the football field. Brady is a machine, he can't be stopped. He's an all-time great. And that has nothing to do with the so called "defensive genius" known as Bill Belichick who's featured laughing stock defense after laughing stock defense.

I agree that Brady is an all time great, but would he be if he didn't go to Belichick? Say we got him, would we have won a few Lombardi's? I doubt Groh or Hermie would have gotten the greatness out of him. It took Weis(a guy I wish never left us) and Belichick(the other guy I wish never left us) to produce what he is now.

FF2® · 08-03-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

It's because of Brady, not Belichick, but because of Brady; and there lies the difference.

Bill Belichick has coached 7 seasons without Brady under center. 5 losing seasons and only 1 postseason appearance. Career losing record of 51-62 without Brady under Center.

Tom Brady on the other hand? He's an all-time great. 10 seasons as an NFL starter. 10 winning season. Never once missed the playoffs. Career record of 124-35.

None of this is a coincidence.

Brady is an all-time great.

Belichick is a tainted fraud.

It's as simple as that.

Without Brady starting under center, Belichick has gone 51-62, 7 seasons (5 losing seasons with only one playoff appearance).

Brady on the other hand? 10 seasons. 10 playoff appearances. Career record of 124-35.

It's clear as day to see, especially on the football field. Brady is a machine, he can't be stopped. He's an all-time great. And that has nothing to do with the so called "defensive genius" known as Bill Belichick who's featured laughing stock defense after laughing stock defense.

I see you got yourself banded again and I'm worried.

I know you've been going through some things lately.

Hope your OK.

FF2® · 08-03-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

Rex Ryan doesn't need one of the greatest QB's of all-time in order to compete and/or win.

Win what?

DDNYjets · 08-03-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

I see you got yourself banded again and I'm worried.

I know you've been going through some things lately.

Hope your OK.

LOL. What did he do this time?

FF2® · 08-03-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

LOL. What did he do this time?

I have no idea. I can't keep up with the bandings!

DDNYjets · 08-03-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

I have no idea. I can't keep up with the bandings!

Is this part of the "ban for pay" scandal that has been going on in the Hampur?

Mohegangreen · 08-03-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Is this part of the "ban for pay" scandal that has been going on in the Hampur?

Lol...shh Keep it quiet but I want in...

Jetworks · 08-03-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

I see you got yourself banded again and I'm worried.

I know you've been going through some things lately.

Hope your OK.

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

LOL. What did he do this time?

LOL! Wondering the same thing.

Maybe it's self-imposed? You know, to help him sort out all tough stuff he's going through. I'm thinking he isn't getting enough wrest.

PETER PAT · 08-03-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85

It's because of Brady, not Belichick, but because of Brady; and there lies the difference.

Bill Belichick has coached 7 seasons without Brady under center. 5 losing seasons and only 1 postseason appearance. Career losing record of 51-62 without Brady under Center.

Tom Brady on the other hand? He's an all-time great. 10 seasons as an NFL starter. 10 winning season. Never once missed the playoffs. Career record of 124-35.

Well just to be accurate, Brady did not make the playoffs in 2002. The Pats were tied for the division lead, and loss on like the 6th tie breaker to the Jets, but he has never had a losing season. Also to be fair to BB, he was 11-5 in 2008 without Brady, and again, by some fluke did not qualify for the playoffs. The 2nd ever 11 win team, not to make the playoffs, since they beginning of this new playoff format. That is just pure bad luck. he won 2 more games than the SB champs Giants did last year, and didn't even qualify for the playoffs.

To be honest, the coach and the starting QB is a symbiotic relationship, they need each other to succeed. So you are right when you say e was nothing without Brady. But who was Walsh without Montana, Lombardi without Starr, Landry without Staubach. Etc. The only all time great head coach, I can think of that didn't have a legendary QB with him was Joe Gibbs. Usually the great QB and the great coach need each other.

CraigFL · 08-03-2012, 04:08 PM

I only read two pages and it was as I suspected the Patsy trolls are here in full force. I was slightly surprised that they reached epic trollhood. I mean, even considering putting bb on the trophy is a travesty.

Bleedgreen · 08-03-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

What did Lombardi do without Starr?

Really? This is your response?

The Packers and their 7 or 8 other Hall of Famers from that era had 3 consecutive losing seasons from the time Bart starr began playing. Then Lombardi shows up and they become "Titletown." So insinuate again for me how Bart Starr made Lombardi? Sounds like it was quite obviously the other way around...and for the entire franchise.

FF2® · 08-03-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleedgreen

Really? This is your response?

The Packers and their 7 or 8 other Hall of Famers from that era had 3 consecutive losing seasons from the time Bart starr began playing. Then Lombardi shows up and they become "Titletown." So insinuate again for me how Bart Starr made Lombardi? Sounds like it was quite obviously the other way around...and for the entire franchise.

Right, so just as Starr was coming into his own Lombardi walks in and inherits a veteran team with 7 or 8 Hall of Famers.

I cant make it any more clear for you.

JetsFanatic · 08-03-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

Right, so just as Starr was coming into his own Lombardi walks in and inherits a veteran team with 7 or 8 Hall of Famers.

I cant make it any more clear for you.

As I taught you last night without Brady, Belichick was fired in Cleveland and was 6-14 with the Pats before Bledsoe got hurt.

Lombardi turned the Packers from losers to winners, then goes to Washington, a losing franchise and goes 7-5 in his first and only year.

Also Lombardi never cheated.

FF2® · 08-03-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsFanatic

As I taught you last night without Brady, Belichick was fired in Cleveland and was 6-14 with the Pats before Bledsoe got hurt.

Lombardi turned the Packers from losers to winners, them goes to Washington, a losing franchise and goes 7-5 in his first and only year.

Also Lombardi never cheated.

That you know of. There's no proof he didn't.

JetsFanatic · 08-03-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

That you know of. There's no proof he didn't.

You are much smarter then the dumb-ass from Texas.

child please · 08-03-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FF2®

That you know of. There's no proof he didn't.

But there is proof Belicheat did, end of discussion. He's not in the same discussion as Lombardi much like Barry Bonds isn't in the same discussion with Hank Aaron.

JetsFanatic · 08-03-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by child please

But there is proof Belicheat did, end of discussion. He's not in the same discussion as Lombardi much like Barry Bonds isn't in the same discussion with Hank Aaron.

Belichick would have been fired in 2001 had he not stepped in sh*t with Brady.

08-03-2012, 04:08 PM	#193
CraigFL still a rookie after 4 years. should be SanchezFL Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 987	I only read two pages and it was as I suspected the Patsy trolls are here in full force. I was slightly surprised that they reached epic trollhood. I mean, even considering putting bb on the trophy is a travesty.