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JStokes · 08-03-2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diego Jet Fan

Powell might have been able to dominate against week
schools in college

Yeah, they play a gamne every week in college, just like in the pros.

What's your point?

_

Peebag · 08-03-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Diego Jet Fan

I agree that Powell should be given the chance
to prove it on the field, I personally like backs
to have a burst combined with moves, this
creates big plays, and because reserve backs
usually have a lot of rest, if they have quicks
built in, they can dominate in short spurts,
based on what I've seen of Powell, his
endzone lateral to Slausen, his stooge
like game performance, it looks to me
like Rex forced Tanny to pick this guy,
but they should have checked with guys
the way asked Sanchez if they should
draft Mc Night or not.

The bubble screen isn't in moron Schotty's
playbook so I don't know how Powell looks
coming out of the backfield, my point is
we need an all purpose back in that
third RB slot,

maybe Powell should play piano for
Lynyrd Skynyrd, their piano player,
the great Billy Powell died last year.

I do look forward to watching Powell
in pre season, maybe he can prove
me wrong-

but you have to understand Rex's track
record with offensive players- to date
Holmes is his only good call.

you should do poetry - it looks like you got the architecture down...

eaglenj · 08-03-2012, 09:30 PM

First off, the opening post is ridiculous and makes no sense.

Secondly, thanks to whoever posted the highlight video, I had never watched powell.

Last year wasn't his fault, he came into a situation where he had 3 RBs in front of him that were 100% solid and none got hurt...actually the perfect situation for him to develop without pressure.

As for the video, the third play on their really is an excellent run....he cut back, got to a second gear, and outran the defense, not much more you can ask for. If that is the player we have, he will easily beat out mcknight for the backup job.

There are plenty of guys who "come out of nowhere" as RBs and Powell has always been touted for his vision/ability to read blocks which is arguably the most important thing a back can have (and something greene actually lacks).

Monsterxman · 08-03-2012, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diego Jet Fan

We specifically need a really fast receiver type back
with great hands, that can catch the bubble screen,
Tony's offense requires this.

Powell might have been able to dominate against week
schools in college, but until he proves himself
against NFL competition, he has done nothing,
this notion that he's great because he has been
successful in a couple of meaningless practices
is ridiculous.

Rex is a great guy, and of course he will support
Powell, but we need a Bruce Harper, or a
Kevin Faulk, even a Ronnie Harmen.

If this thread makes me a homer, then great,
I am then, if Rex stays out of all offensive
player decisions, then I am a homer,
but he has made a series of bonehead
decisions concerning the offense that
could end up costing him his job.

This team could really use another
back, I don't see Mc Night / Green /
Powell as competitive, I want a
guy that moves like Jager.

Damn straight, that cat can really move...

Yankeejet22 · 08-03-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ASH_1962

Geez, that sure scares the $hit out of me

Naa. I think that would work just fine.

BigJet85 · 08-03-2012, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diego Jet Fan

We specifically need a really fast receiver type back
with great hands, that can catch the bubble screen,
Tony's offense requires this.

Powell might have been able to dominate against week
schools in college, but until he proves himself
against NFL competition, he has done nothing,
this notion that he's great because he has been
successful in a couple of meaningless practices
is ridiculous.

Rex is a great guy, and of course he will support
Powell, but we need a Bruce Harper, or a
Kevin Faulk, even a Ronnie Harmen.

If this thread makes me a homer, then great,
I am then, if Rex stays out of all offensive
player decisions, then I am a homer,
but he has made a series of bonehead
decisions concerning the offense that
could end up costing him his job.

This team could really use another
back, I don't see Mc Night / Green /
Powell as competitive, I want a
guy that moves like Jager.

I just read on bleacher report that powell was one of the most improved and talked about players in camp..."ran the hardest and elusive"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...=new-york-jets

jeT.MAC · 08-04-2012, 12:06 AM

Powell is going to get cut. Rb's will be

Greene
McKnight
Ganaway

& TEBOW!!!

NY's stepchild · 08-04-2012, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JStokes

Yeah, they play a gamne every week in college, just like in the pros.

What's your point?

_

That's week

NY's stepchild · 08-04-2012, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeT.MAC

Powell is going to get cut. Rb's will be

Greene
McKnight
Ganaway

& TEBOW!!!

Yeah who cares if they can't block? Teams probably won't blitz us anyway.

Dreamers · 08-04-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NY's stepchild

Yeah who cares if they can't block? Teams probably won't blitz us anyway.

Tebow can block

Jet Nut · 08-04-2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot

There is just so much wrong with this opening post, I don't really know where to start.

I agree that Powell has plenty to prove, but your criticism of him is based of what exactly? He has not had the opportunity to show anything yet, other than in practice. He's killing it now. What more do you want from him?

Greene is nothing special, and I'm not his biggest fan, but he's solid enough and I expect he'll have a productive year if he stays healthy. Between him, McKnight, Powell... I think there is a lot of talent there and they have a wide range of skills.

His criticism was based on the good reports came off of a handful of camp carries. So he shot those down based on 13 carries.

Makes sense.

DaBallhawk · 08-04-2012, 03:52 AM

The ONE thing 3rd down backs need to be able to do is BLOCK. Then catch. Then run. It's not the other way around.

Peyton Hillis plays on 3rd downs because he can block and catch, but he's not so fast. Adrian Peterson doesn't play on 3rd downs because while he can catch, he can't block, and he's one of the fastest players in the league. Go figure.

Speed doesn't matter, you're not supposed to catch those short passes and turn them into 90yd TD plays. It's not like there's RB's out there that constantly make plays in the passing game. Sproles is one of the best 3rd down backs in the league, he averages a pathetic 8 yards per catch. Ray Rice is an elite 3rd down back, he averages 9 yards per catch.

Powell is plenty quick/fast enough to make plays and to run away from linemen and linebackers. Yes, would be nice if he ran a 4.2 on top of that but who cares. If he gets open he'll make plays. If he's covered they won't throw the ball to him. So again, it doesn't matter, who cares. If he's the best blocker out there he should be the 3rd down back. He has decent hands and decent speed. If he doesn't get the job done Joe can always replace him again. We'll see what happens in the preseason. Besides, Joe always lines up at WR in 4-5 WR sets anyway. I'm happy with him being the #2, he'll see plenty passes thrown his way regardless if he plays 3rd down or not.

augustiniak · 08-04-2012, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBallhawk

The ONE thing 3rd down backs need to be able to do is BLOCK. Then catch. Then run. It's not the other way around.

Peyton Hillis plays on 3rd downs because he can block and catch, but he's not so fast. Adrian Peterson doesn't play on 3rd downs because while he can catch, he can't block, and he's one of the fastest players in the league. Go figure.

Speed doesn't matter, you're not supposed to catch those short passes and turn them into 90yd TD plays. It's not like there's RB's out there that constantly make plays in the passing game. Sproles is one of the best 3rd down backs in the league, he averages a pathetic 8 yards per catch. Ray Rice is an elite 3rd down back, he averages 9 yards per catch.

Powell is plenty quick/fast enough to make plays and to run away from linemen and linebackers. Yes, would be nice if he ran a 4.2 on top of that but who cares. If he gets open he'll make plays. If he's covered they won't throw the ball to him. So again, it doesn't matter, who cares. If he's the best blocker out there he should be the 3rd down back. He has decent hands and decent speed. If he doesn't get the job done Joe can always replace him again. We'll see what happens in the preseason. Besides, Joe always lines up at WR in 4-5 WR sets anyway. I'm happy with him being the #2, he'll see plenty passes thrown his way regardless if he plays 3rd down or not.

much of tomlinson's value on the jets was his ability to pick up the blitz. that was particularly important with hunter's inability to do this, let alone block his own guy.

this year i think the jets may have to use TEs and RBs instead of WRs for 3rd down sets, especially if cumberland can stay healthy.

Mohegangreen · 08-04-2012, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diego Jet Fan

We specifically need a really fast receiver type back
with great hands, that can catch the bubble screen,
Tony's offense requires this.

Powell might have been able to dominate against week
schools in college, but until he proves himself
against NFL competition, he has done nothing,
this notion that he's great because he has been
successful in a couple of meaningless practices
is ridiculous.

Rex is a great guy, and of course he will support
Powell, but we need a Bruce Harper, or a
Kevin Faulk, even a Ronnie Harmen.

If this thread makes me a homer, then great,
I am then, if Rex stays out of all offensive
player decisions, then I am a homer,
but he has made a series of bonehead
decisions concerning the offense that
could end up costing him his job.

This team could really use another
back, I don't see Mc Night / Green /
Powell as competitive, I want a
guy that moves like Jager.

You mean a Leon Washington?

Thanks Tanny, had to unload him as fast as you could, Leon could have been the weapon that put us over the top in Pittsburgh, we're still trying to replace Leon

Kentucky Jet · 08-04-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

Geez, first the Coples is..thread by Shark and now this one....

The negative nannies are out in full force C Mart. Powell is just getting a chance to show his talent and this guy dumps on him just like that other alleged fan did with Coples. Its really getting old.

Kentucky Jet · 08-04-2012, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeT.MAC

Powell is going to get cut. Rb's will be

Greene
McKnight
Ganaway

& TEBOW!!!

are you a betting man? If so, PM me. But first tell us what ganaway has done to beat out Powell. You are on the clock........

Mohegangreen · 08-04-2012, 08:47 AM

Btw, dont get where you decided he's too slow and has no moves, did you work him out or something? Funny guy...

NY's stepchild · 08-04-2012, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

You mean a Leon Washington?

Thanks Tanny, had to unload him as fast as you could, Leon could have been the weapon that put us over the top in Pittsburgh, we're still trying to replace Leon

Yeah we could have used his 250 yards last year, and 50 yards receiving. Another huge mistake by this incompetent GM.

Jordy · 08-04-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankeejet22

"Rex is a great guy, and of course he will support
Powell, but we need a Bruce Harper, or a
Kevin Faulk, even a Ronnie Harmen."

Diego, the guy you're describing is McKnight. Here's Rex's plan, me thinks:

Shonn Greene #1 RB: Starter, gets the majority of the carries. 18-25 caries/game

Bilal Powell #2 RB: Greene primary replacement. Spells Greene on a couple of series'. Injury replacement for Greene. 4-10 carries/game.

Joe McKnight 3rd Down/Long Yardage RB

Sorry but this doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Nor does the WR situation.

Jordy · 08-04-2012, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JStokes

Yeah, they play a gamne every week in college, just like in the pros.

What's your point?

_

Powell's one good college season came against weaker teams.

Louisville did not play any top 25 teams that year.

Then he had a good Senior Bowl.

Most teams weren't fooled.

08-03-2012, 09:30 PM	#23
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,868	First off, the opening post is ridiculous and makes no sense. Secondly, thanks to whoever posted the highlight video, I had never watched powell. Last year wasn't his fault, he came into a situation where he had 3 RBs in front of him that were 100% solid and none got hurt...actually the perfect situation for him to develop without pressure. As for the video, the third play on their really is an excellent run....he cut back, got to a second gear, and outran the defense, not much more you can ask for. If that is the player we have, he will easily beat out mcknight for the backup job. There are plenty of guys who "come out of nowhere" as RBs and Powell has always been touted for his vision/ability to read blocks which is arguably the most important thing a back can have (and something greene actually lacks).

08-04-2012, 12:06 AM	#27
jeT.MAC All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,535	Powell is going to get cut. Rb's will be Greene McKnight Ganaway & TEBOW!!!

08-04-2012, 03:52 AM	#32
DaBallhawk 2013. You still suck Marky Boy. All League Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,778	The ONE thing 3rd down backs need to be able to do is BLOCK. Then catch. Then run. It's not the other way around. Peyton Hillis plays on 3rd downs because he can block and catch, but he's not so fast. Adrian Peterson doesn't play on 3rd downs because while he can catch, he can't block, and he's one of the fastest players in the league. Go figure. Speed doesn't matter, you're not supposed to catch those short passes and turn them into 90yd TD plays. It's not like there's RB's out there that constantly make plays in the passing game. Sproles is one of the best 3rd down backs in the league, he averages a pathetic 8 yards per catch. Ray Rice is an elite 3rd down back, he averages 9 yards per catch. Powell is plenty quick/fast enough to make plays and to run away from linemen and linebackers. Yes, would be nice if he ran a 4.2 on top of that but who cares. If he gets open he'll make plays. If he's covered they won't throw the ball to him. So again, it doesn't matter, who cares. If he's the best blocker out there he should be the 3rd down back. He has decent hands and decent speed. If he doesn't get the job done Joe can always replace him again. We'll see what happens in the preseason. Besides, Joe always lines up at WR in 4-5 WR sets anyway. I'm happy with him being the #2, he'll see plenty passes thrown his way regardless if he plays 3rd down or not.

08-04-2012, 08:47 AM	#37
Mohegangreen Truth, Justice and The American Way Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,313	Btw, dont get where you decided he's too slow and has no moves, did you work him out or something? Funny guy...