NFL.com's Cinci/NY Jets Preseaon Preview just made me angry

[Peebag]

Originally Posted by Jordy

I hated Shoddy as much as anybody but I can't subscribe to the theory that Jay Gruden is a better OC.

How many empty backfield sets on 3rd and short yardage did Dalton see?

[Laxman]

Opponent W/L Comp./Att. Yards YPA TD/INT Sacked/YL Rating

09/11 @ CLE W 27-17 10 15 66.7 81 5.4 1 0 3 11 102.4
11/13 PIT L 17-24 15 30 50.0 170 5.7 2 2 0 0 61.8
11/20 @ BAL L 24-31 24 45 53.3 373 8.3 1 3 2 9 60.7
11/27 CLE W 23-20 21 31 67.7 270 8.7 1 0 2 13 105.6
12/04 @ PIT L 7-35 11 24 45.8 135 5.6 1 0 3 24 77.6
1/01 BAL L 16-24 22 44 50.0 232 5.3 0 0 1 1 65.7

In a TOUGH defensive division, his numbers were not very impressive..... so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Gruden may not be the best OC in football..... but he doesn't try to fit a square peg in a round hole, like Sh*tty was famous for doing. These comparisons are ridiculous.... no one is in the same situation, so there is NO comparison.

[Monsterxman]

Originally Posted by Laxman

Opponent W/L Comp./Att. Yards YPA TD/INT Sacked/YL Rating

09/11 @ CLE W 27-17 10 15 66.7 81 5.4 1 0 3 11 102.4
11/13 PIT L 17-24 15 30 50.0 170 5.7 2 2 0 0 61.8
11/20 @ BAL L 24-31 24 45 53.3 373 8.3 1 3 2 9 60.7
11/27 CLE W 23-20 21 31 67.7 270 8.7 1 0 2 13 105.6
12/04 @ PIT L 7-35 11 24 45.8 135 5.6 1 0 3 24 77.6
1/01 BAL L 16-24 22 44 50.0 232 5.3 0 0 1 1 65.7

In a TOUGH defensive division, his numbers were not very impressive..... so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Gruden may not be the best OC in football..... but he doesn't try to fit a square peg in a round hole, like Sh*tty was famous for doing. These comparisons are ridiculous.... no one is in the same situation, so there is NO comparison.

Point is take away those tough defensive games and replace them with pathetic defenses like the Pats, Buffalo and Miami and his stats would be even better.
Right now, he unfortunately looks like a better qb vs. Sanchez.

[Laxman]

Originally Posted by Monsterxman

Point is take away those tough defensive games and replace them with pathetic defenses like the Pats, Buffalo and Miami and his stats would be even better.
Right now, he unfortunately looks like a better qb vs. Sanchez.

10/02 BUF W * 23-20 18 36 50.0 298 8.3 1 2 2 11 64.4

These are his stats, at home, vs. Buffalo-- the only team that you mentioned, that the Bengals played last year....... still not impressive. Miami also plays pretty good defense, at least against the run.... which, when you look at Dalton's good games, they were directly relative to good rushing games. The Patriots, as bad as I think their D is, don't get abused by rookie QBs..... Belicheat hasn't fallen off, that much.

I actually like Dalton..... but, again, I think the comparisons are ridiculous. Stats are for fantasy football, not for player evaluation.

We can agree to disagree...... I think Sanchez looks like the better QB.

[jetsmetsrangers]

Originally Posted by JetsFanatic

Andy Dalton's two playoff wins in his rookie year were very impressive also.

As was his equaling the number of INT Sanchez had in 6 playoff games in his only post season performance.....Also fumbled once in the game.....

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by Dirtstar

ok

That was my response too.

Is there a point being made?

Alot of QB's may have a better QB rating. Some will have worse too.

So?

[NY's stepchild]

All we can do is hope that it was Schotty, and his over coaching. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence to support this. We will find out soon enough.

[JB1089]

AJ Green>>>>>>>Jets receivers


And the Bengals played the NFC West and AFC South last year.

[jxc]

Originally Posted by Laxman

Opponent W/L Comp./Att. Yards YPA TD/INT Sacked/YL Rating

09/11 @ CLE W 27-17 10 15 66.7 81 5.4 1 0 3 11 102.4
11/13 PIT L 17-24 15 30 50.0 170 5.7 2 2 0 0 61.8
11/20 @ BAL L 24-31 24 45 53.3 373 8.3 1 3 2 9 60.7
11/27 CLE W 23-20 21 31 67.7 270 8.7 1 0 2 13 105.6
12/04 @ PIT L 7-35 11 24 45.8 135 5.6 1 0 3 24 77.6
1/01 BAL L 16-24 22 44 50.0 232 5.3 0 0 1 1 65.7

In a TOUGH defensive division, his numbers were not very impressive..... so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Gruden may not be the best OC in football..... but he doesn't try to fit a square peg in a round hole, like Sh*tty was famous for doing. These comparisons are ridiculous.... no one is in the same situation, so there is NO comparison.

I guess there's no point in bringing up Sanchez's meager 30.5 passer rating and 3 lost fumbles against Baltimore last year... or his 0TD 56.4 passer rating game against them the year before.

Date 	Opp 	Result 	 	G 	GS 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Int 	Sck 	SckY 	Rate 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
10/02 	@ BAL 	L   17-34 	1 	1 	11 	35 	31.4 	119 	3.4 	0 	1 	2 	7 	30.5 	3 	3 	1.0 	0 	4 	3

[Laxman]

Originally Posted by jxc

I guess there's no point in bringing up Sanchez's meager 30.5 passer rating and 3 lost fumbles against Baltimore last year... or his 0TD 56.4 passer rating game against them the year before.

Date 	Opp 	Result 	 	G 	GS 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Int 	Sck 	SckY 	Rate 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
10/02 	@ BAL 	L   17-34 	1 	1 	11 	35 	31.4 	119 	3.4 	0 	1 	2 	7 	30.5 	3 	3 	1.0 	0 	4 	3

Did you WATCH those games? Sanchez should be praised for just finishing those games against Baltimore. Ngata's hit, alone, would have had most QBs out of the game..... probably the next week, as well. He was NOT put in any position to succeed, in either of those games.

You hate Sanchez, think he's a bad QB..... fine, I disagree.