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Monsterxman · 08-10-2012, 05:09 PM

I'm not worried about Jones/Ingram. I just don't love picking a DE after taking essentially two 1st round talents 3-4 DE's last year - Wilkerson and Ellis (who dropped due to character concerns)...

Now we have all sorts of options on our defensive line, which is great... But the 2 best run stoppers on this team are still Devito and Pouha... So how much are we gaining, we spent 3 high round picks on guys who may end situational players right now.

I know they want to be the Giants and maybe it will work out that way...
But none of these guys are explosive like the Giants guys imo.
They are all big dudes who work best in a 3-4.

We'll see how it all works out, but to me a guy like Doug Martin, Boise State RB, who can do it all and they are already comparing to Matt Forte and Ray Rice sure would have been a nice.

HardKnocks · 08-10-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Monsterxman

I'm not worried about Jones/Ingram. I just don't love picking a DE after taking essentially two 1st round talents 3-4 DE's last year - Wilkerson and Ellis (who dropped due to character concerns)...

Now we have all sorts of options on our defensive line, which is great... But the 2 best run stoppers on this team are still Devito and Pouha... So how much are we gaining, we spent 3 high round picks on guys who may end situational players right now.

I know they want to be the Giants and maybe it will work out that way...
But none of these guys are explosive like the Giants guys imo.
They are all big dudes who work best in a 3-4.

We'll see how it all works out, but to me a guy like Doug Martin, Boise State RB, who can do it all and they are already comparing to Matt Forte and Ray Rice sure would have been a nice.

Your overall point isn't badly taken, but you have really overstated on Ellis. First round talent? Ellis was a reach in the 3rd round and proved it by rarely being active during his rookie season. That is NOT what you get in a first round talent.

You are right that neither Wilkerson or Ellis are QB sackers, rather they are run stoppers and pocket pushers. Its in Coples that the Jet FO hopes will be the dynamic player of the 3. He was picked to become an impact player, a game changer, and the guy OC's have to game plan against. If he isn't any or all of these things then even if he turns out to be a competent starter, it will be like DRob revisited only without having to trade up and over pay.

bgivs21 · 08-10-2012, 08:55 PM

Looks like you were a bit quick to make this thread.. Coples has looked very impressive vs the1st and 2nd stringers in tonights game

Beerfish · 08-10-2012, 08:56 PM

Good initial move then he falls down.

Darth Vader · 08-10-2012, 08:56 PM

indeed

Kentucky Jet · 08-10-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bgivs21

Looks like you were a bit quick to make this thread.. Coples has looked very impressive vs the1st and 2nd stringers in tonights game

I strongly agree with you! I think Coples is playing like he is trying to prove a point!

Ruby2 · 08-10-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HardKnocks

Your overall point isn't badly taken, but you have really overstated on Ellis. First round talent? Ellis was a reach in the 3rd round and proved it by rarely being active during his rookie season. That is NOT what you get in a first round talent.

You are right that neither Wilkerson or Ellis are QB sackers, rather they are run stoppers and pocket pushers. Its in Coples that the Jet FO hopes will be the dynamic player of the 3. He was picked to become an impact player, a game changer, and the guy OC's have to game plan against. If he isn't any or all of these things then even if he turns out to be a competent starter, it will be like DRob revisited only without having to trade up and over pay.

lol, Ellis was most certainly not a reach in the 3rd round.

Darth Vader · 08-10-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

lol, Ellis was most certainly not a reach in the 3rd round.

Ellis was the best player on the DL in the first half. Go back and watch. He looked immovable and pushed the pocket. Future all-pro material no joke. Can play anywhere on the line.

DDNYjets · 08-10-2012, 09:13 PM

Dunbar working magic with Ellis. Not going to call him Jenkins-like yet, but they idea did cross my mind.

Coples has shown he is too much for backups to handle and he held his own against the starters.

Wilkerson is going to be our best player on the DL this year. He looks great.

eaglenj · 08-10-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bgivs21

Looks like you were a bit quick to make this thread.. Coples has looked very impressive vs the1st and 2nd stringers in tonights game

Coples looked great, he was in the backfield with great penetration and just missed making the play twice. So far very good in my opinion.

He doenst play with a ton of fire, but he is young.

Demario Davis though really seems like a leader....lot of energy.

LeonM · 08-11-2012, 12:23 AM

Coples vs Bengals. 6 tackles, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, 1 batted pass and 3 hurries. Looked tremendous against the run. Good first step.

chrisjets23 · 08-11-2012, 12:27 AM

You can see already that our D-Line is going to be a major strength. Even the 3rd stringers like Richardson showed energy and flashes.

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 08-11-2012, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronxville Jets Fan

Jets fans will be paying close attention to the early portion of Ingram’s career. With Ingram on the board when the Jets used the 16th overall pick, New York took linebacker Quinton Coples instead.

Not so much.......

Coples finished the night with five tackles [two runs stopped for a loss], one sack, one FF and one pass batted down.

That's a debut to talk about......

FijiJet · 08-11-2012, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader

Ellis was the best player on the DL in the first half. Go back and watch. He looked immovable and pushed the pocket. Future all-pro material no joke. Can play anywhere on the line.

+1000. Dude was beastly. And Coples makes me forget about.. who were those other 2 again???

sg3 · 08-11-2012, 06:35 AM

Thank you Rex and Mr.T for drafting Coples who will be a BEAST and neither of those two busts Jones or Ingram.

Mike the moron Mayock looking stupid once again

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JetsFanatic · 08-11-2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sg3

Thank you Rex and Mr.T for drafting Coples who will be a BEAST and neither of those two busts Jones or Ingram.

Mike the moron Mayock looking stupid once again

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Absolutely. Where are all those Ingram fools!! I loved this kid from way before the draft. I know it was only the first pre-season game, but he looks like he can dominate.

PatriotReign · 08-11-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sg3

Thank you Rex and Mr.T for drafting Coples who will be a BEAST and neither of those two busts Jones or Ingram.

Mike the moron Mayock looking stupid once again

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Coples and Jones both had impressive debuts yet Jones will be a bust because he is a Pat...shortbus3 logic in da house.

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ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 08-11-2012, 09:18 AM

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Coples and Jones both had impressive debuts yet Jones will be a bust because he is a Pat...shortbus3 logic in da house.

Too early to say for either quite honestly....but their both are off to pretty good starts....

I think Jets fans are at least at ease that it seems we don't have another Vernon Gholston on our hands......

PatriotReign · 08-11-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan

Too early to say for either quite honestly....but their both are off to pretty good starts....

I think Jets fans are at least at ease that it seems we don't have another Vernon Gholston on our hands......

+1

Coples did more in that one game then Gholston did his whole career.

08-10-2012, 05:09 PM	#101
Monsterxman supercalifragilisticexpialidocious All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,062	I'm not worried about Jones/Ingram. I just don't love picking a DE after taking essentially two 1st round talents 3-4 DE's last year - Wilkerson and Ellis (who dropped due to character concerns)... Now we have all sorts of options on our defensive line, which is great... But the 2 best run stoppers on this team are still Devito and Pouha... So how much are we gaining, we spent 3 high round picks on guys who may end situational players right now. I know they want to be the Giants and maybe it will work out that way... But none of these guys are explosive like the Giants guys imo. They are all big dudes who work best in a 3-4. We'll see how it all works out, but to me a guy like Doug Martin, Boise State RB, who can do it all and they are already comparing to Matt Forte and Ray Rice sure would have been a nice.

08-10-2012, 08:55 PM	#103
bgivs21 Sexy Rexy, the toe Slinger Rookie Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 510	Looks like you were a bit quick to make this thread.. Coples has looked very impressive vs the1st and 2nd stringers in tonights game

08-10-2012, 08:56 PM	#104
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,078	Good initial move then he falls down.

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Darth Vader Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,872	indeed

08-10-2012, 09:13 PM	#109
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,286	Dunbar working magic with Ellis. Not going to call him Jenkins-like yet, but they idea did cross my mind. Coples has shown he is too much for backups to handle and he held his own against the starters. Wilkerson is going to be our best player on the DL this year. He looks great.

08-11-2012, 12:23 AM	#111
LeonM Practice Squad Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 480	Coples vs Bengals. 6 tackles, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, 1 batted pass and 3 hurries. Looked tremendous against the run. Good first step.

08-11-2012, 12:27 AM	#112
chrisjets23 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 723	You can see already that our D-Line is going to be a major strength. Even the 3rd stringers like Richardson showed energy and flashes.

08-11-2012, 06:35 AM	#115
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,392	Thank you Rex and Mr.T for drafting Coples who will be a BEAST and neither of those two busts Jones or Ingram. Mike the moron Mayock looking stupid once again Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2

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