Voter ID Law

[MCBNY]

Thoughts on this? Pennsylvania perhaps upholding a law that requires voters to show specific ID. This could be huge because a big state that would likely go to Obama could go to Romney now.

I think it's an embarrassment and shady. I know you'll disagree with me.

[chiefst2000]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

Thoughts on this? Pennsylvania perhaps upholding a law that requires voters to show specific ID. This could be huge because a big state that would likely go to Obama could go to Romney now.

I think it's an embarrassment and shady. I know you'll disagree with me.

I think that people that suggest that black people and hispanics are too stupid or helpless to obtain a free ID card from the government are shady racists. Your thoughts?

[AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite]

Originally Posted by chiefst2000

I think that people that suggest that black people and hispanics are too stupid or helpless to obtain a free ID card from the government are shady racists. Your thoughts?

I lol'd

[Apache 51]

I have to show ID at JetsStadium to buy beer, why not to vote?

[MCBNY]

It's the principle of discouraging people to vote. People don't turnout in America to vote to begin with. So now we want to further limit the amount of people who can vote? How unAmerican. And you all know what this law is about at its core. Discouraging blacks and Hispanics from voting. Who does that favor? Romney of course. Racist with a capital R. Shady with a capital S. How deplorable that it's come to tactics like this.

Apache, millions of people try to fake their age to buy alcohol illegally. Myself included as an 18 year old. Did you know that there have been only 10 instances (or something miniscule) of counterfeit/illegal voting since 2000? People don't care enough about a vote to try and fake it. So why in the living f*ck is this law necessary?

[chirorob]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

It's the principle of discouraging people to vote. People don't turnout in America to vote to begin with. So now we want to further limit the amount of people who can vote? How unAmerican. And you all know what this law is about at its core. Discouraging blacks and Hispanics from voting. Who does that favor? Romney of course. Racist with a capital R. Shady with a capital S. How deplorable that it's come to tactics like this.

Apache, millions of people try to fake their age to buy alcohol illegally. Myself included as an 18 year old. Did you know that there have been only 10 instances (or something miniscule) of counterfeit/illegal voting since 2000? People don't care enough about a vote to try and fake it. So why in the living f*ck is this law necessary?

Why is it so difficult to show an ID to vote? How is this racist? Black people can't get an ID? Yes, illegals would have a harder time voting I guess, but then again, they are illegal.

If someone is going to take the time to vote, do you really think pulling out an ID card is going to make them stop? And if someone is that lazy, then they are probably too lazy to have actually read what they are voting about in the first place.

[parafly]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

It's the principle of discouraging people to vote. People don't turnout in America to vote to begin with. So now we want to further limit the amount of people who can vote? How unAmerican. And you all know what this law is about at its core. Discouraging blacks and Hispanics from voting. Who does that favor? Romney of course. Racist with a capital R. Shady with a capital S. How deplorable that it's come to tactics like this.

I agree with you that on a very fundamental level it is a form of disenfranchisement. However, it is justified and legitimate in my opinion to amplify the integrity of the system.

It discourages poor people from voting. Why are you putting a race context into the argument? It is a flawed talking point.

[palmetto defender]

ANYBODY can get an ID. And FREE. Many places require an ID.
My doctors know who I am BUT I have to produce photo ID everytime I go to a doctor, labs etc.
It's just minorities and illegals fighting the system to fight the system.
There is provable fraud out there. In voting as well as many other areas.

[MCBNY]

Originally Posted by parafly

I agree with you that on a very fundamental level it is a form of disenfranchisement. However, it is justified and legitimate in my opinion to amplify the integrity of the system.

It discourages poor people from voting. Why are you putting a race context into the argument? It is a flawed talking point.

Who do you think is poor? Blacks and Hispanics are mostly poor. There are millions of poor whites too. Who do you think will vote (D)? Poor people.

It's just a shady, shady move by the Republicans to try to win this election unnaturally.

The point remains that this law was not NECESSARY. I'd like to hear why it was necessary considering voter fraud so rarely and infrequently happens. The negatives (lots of people now won't vote that probably would have) far outweigh the positives (maybe catching a fraud voter here and there. but no one cares enough about voting to actually have a counterfeit vote, thus making this law really not necessary).

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

Thoughts on this? Pennsylvania perhaps upholding a law that requires voters to show specific ID. This could be huge because a big state that would likely go to Obama could go to Romney now.

I think it's an embarrassment and shady. I know you'll disagree with me.

Wouldn't have been as lol-tastic if the Gov didn't announce that the reason he made the law was to giftwrap the state to Romney and NOT stop voter fraud. Which there have been 0 cases of in PA.


It's all good. A Romney presidency will cement the future for a viable 3rd party candidate. Romney will signal the death knell of the old Republican Party.

[palmetto defender]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

Who do you think is poor? Blacks and Hispanics are mostly poor. There are millions of poor whites too. Who do you think will vote (D)? Poor people.

It's just a shady, shady move by the Republicans to try to win this election unnaturally.

The point remains that this law was not NECESSARY. I'd like to hear why it was necessary considering voter fraud so rarely and infrequently happens. The negatives (lots of people now won't vote that probably would have) far outweigh the positives (maybe catching a fraud voter here and there. but no one cares enough about voting to actually have a counterfeit vote, thus making this law really not necessary).

Fraud happens. Here in SC there have been a couple areas with more votes cast than there were registered voters. They happped to be in minority areas. Hmmm. And seems the local ministers were BUSING in people to vote. But, of course, it was too hard to bus them to get ID. Fraud. Organized and abetted by the good ministers. Imagine that.

[Winstonbiggs]

http://votesmart.org/elections/voter-registration/CT

QUALIFICATIONS

Age: At least 17 years old (must be age 18 by election day)

Citizenship: Must be a United States citizen

Residency: Must be a resident in a Connecticut town

Felony Convictions: Have completed confinement and parole if previously convicted of a felony

ID Requirements: Connecticut driver's license or Social security number required to register

Other Voter Registration Qualifications: If you move to a different town, you must fill out a new voter registration card

Just checked in my own State. I guess I don't have a right to vote unless I'm a resident and register before the election. Hard to see how you can prove who you are and your residency without some kind of State ID. A SS card doesn't prove residency. My guess is States requiring and making ID available to the poor is a good thing. It will reduce fraud in the welfare system and benifit them greatly.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

Who do you think is poor? Blacks and Hispanics are mostly poor. There are millions of poor whites too. Who do you think will vote (D)? Poor people.

It's just a shady, shady move by the Republicans to try to win this election unnaturally.

The point remains that this law was not NECESSARY. I'd like to hear why it was necessary considering voter fraud so rarely and infrequently happens. The negatives (lots of people now won't vote that probably would have) far outweigh the positives (maybe catching a fraud voter here and there. but no one cares enough about voting to actually have a counterfeit vote, thus making this law really not necessary).

I care enough to vote hundreds of times if I could and would much prefer to vote in a State that's a toss up state then my own State where voting doesn't matter in the least.

Apparently making voting easy isn't getting people to vote. Making it near impossible might actually make people do more then defend their right to vote it might make them actually vote.

The fake outrage over this might motivate Democrats to actually register their constiuents and bus them to the polls while the Republicans send dollar bills to their constituents to motivate them to vote.

[SafetyBlitz]

You know, it's not really that I have a problem, on a fundamental philosophical level, with the idea of voting ID requirements. All one has to do is acquire a photo ID - hell a learners permit would probably suffice. Sounds reasonable, right? Well no.

The important question is "Why?". Why are voter ID laws popping up in a bunch of states? Has there been some rash of 'IN PERSON' voter fraud - i.e. someone shows up and commits voter fraud?

No, there hasn't.

This is just a cynical, political expedient move for the GOP wherein they can hide behind "well all you have to do is get a voter ID, jeez, it's so easy".

This will suppress voter turnout and that favors the GOP (notice much of the states where it's happening too, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania - all key swing states). When one observes that record numbers of minorities and young people voter turnout, the two groups who are least likely to have a photo ID, resulted in a Democratic president in 2008, it's obvious these laws are quite clearly aimed at making sure that doesn't happen this time around.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...block-the-vote

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...-s-voting-laws

[chiefst2000]

Voter ID laws are supported by 80% of americans. 65% of blacks support voter ID laws. The only ones opposed are the racist progressives that believe that their main constituancy of people living off the government teet are too stupid and inept to get a free ID card from the state.

[MCBNY]

Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz

You know, it's not really that I have a problem, on a fundamental philosophical level, with the idea of voting ID requirements. All one has to do is acquire a photo ID - hell a learners permit would probably suffice. Sounds reasonable, right? Well no.

The important question is "Why?". Why are voter ID laws popping up in a bunch of states? Has there been some rash of 'IN PERSON' voter fraud - i.e. someone shows up and commits voter fraud?

No, there hasn't.

This is just a cynical, political expedient move for the GOP wherein they can hide behind "well all you have to do is get a voter ID, jeez, it's so easy".

This will suppress voter turnout and that favors the GOP (notice much of the states where it's happening too, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania - all key swing states). When one observes record numbers of minorities and young people voter turnout, the two groups who are least likely to have a photo ID, resulted in a Democratic president in 2008, it's obvious these laws are quite clearly aimed at making sure that never happen this time around.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...block-the-vote

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...-s-voting-laws

I could not have said it any better. I don't really have a problem with the idea of showing ID at a voting booth. It's just the MOTIVE and TIMING behind the law that is disgusting. Keep it up, scumbag Republicans. Romney, Corbett and all of em.

[SafetyBlitz]

Originally Posted by chiefst2000

Voter ID laws are supported by 80% of americans. 65% of blacks support voter ID laws. The only ones opposed are the racist progressives that believe that their main constituancy of people living off the government teet are too stupid and inept to get a free ID card from the state.

For a conservative, I find it funny that you want a pass a restriction without there being an actual problem.

These laws are unnecessary.

There is no in-person voter fraud problem in this country. How many cases of in-person voter fraud have there been in the past decade?

[sackdance]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

Discouraging blacks and Hispanics from voting.

That is your projection. I don't see specifically how this law would eff up anybody but a social reject. Blacks and Hispanics have as much access to a picture ID as anyone else in this country.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by MCBNY

It's the principle of discouraging people to vote.

If you are discouraged from voting because you cannot legitimately prove you are who you claim you are, the obvious answer IMO is that you're NOT in fact who you claim you are.

So now we want to further limit the amount of people who can vote? How unAmerican.

Having to prove you are who you claim you are only limits the vote to those legally allowed to vote.

I'm curious, why is registration ok (you will be turned away if not registered), but voter ID regs aren't?

And you all know what this law is about at its core. Discouraging blacks and Hispanics from voting.

Are you a racist?

Do you truly believe that blacks and hispanics are less capable of obtaining an ID in today's day and age in America?

Because to claim it disproprtionately affects these minorities, you must at the core believe them, as a sterotypical whole, to be less able to negotiate the task of going to Govt. Office, filling in form, and getting an ID.

Did you know that there have been only 10 instances (or something miniscule) of counterfeit/illegal voting since 2000?

Tell me, if checking ID is forbidden, how can you know there are "only ten cases" where someone voted for someone other than who they are?

Seems somewhat obvious that not checking ID would mean verification on any broad scale that all votes cast were legitimate would be rather difficult.

Have you ever been called up by the State after an election, for them to check you voted, where, and who you voted for, so they could "validate" that your vote was cast by you?

No, me either. Because it doesn't happen.

There are no cases, because there is no verification to create such cases.

[AlbanyJet]

Originally Posted by Warfish

If you are discouraged from voting because you cannot legitimately prove you are who you claim you are, the obvious answer IMO is that you're NOT in fact who you claim you are.

Having to prove you are who you claim you are only limits the vote to those legally allowed to vote.

I'm curious, why is registration ok (you will be turned away if not registered), but voter ID regs aren't?

Are you a racist?

Do you truly believe that blacks and hispanics are less capable of obtaining an ID in today's day and age in America?

Because to claim it disproprtionately affects these minorities, you must at the core believe them, as a sterotypical whole, to be less able to negotiate the task of going to Govt. Office, filling in form, and getting an ID.

Tell me, if checking ID is forbidden, how can you know there are "only ten cases" where someone voted for someone other than who they are?

Seems somewhat obvious that not checking ID would mean verification on any broad scale that all votes cast were legitimate would be rather difficult.

Have you ever been called up by the State after an election, for them to check you voted, where, and who you voted for, so they could "validate" that your vote was cast by you?

No, me either. Because it doesn't happen.

There are no cases, because there is no verification to create such cases.

This. ALL of this!