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LadainianIMnotDONE · 08-18-2012, 11:13 PM

Those 3rd and 1 runs today and 4th and 1 runs were more prideful calls than smart calls. This whole "ground and pound" thing is terrible when you don't open up the running game by taking shots downfield. I know its only pre season but the idea that we're going to be a power running team without a O line that is opening gaps, taking shots downfield to open up the running game and loosen the D, & having an RB to really be effective .... is scaring me. Our running game took 3-4 weeks to get going 2 years ago, it sucked last year, and we're just trying to enforce this identity again so Rex can get his clock management thing working. We don't have a Ray Rice or a RB unit with power runners and quick hole hitting guys. McKnight isn't proven, Greene isn't a featured back he's a change of pace guy, & Powell is less proven than McKnight.

I know we were missing all our receivers today but just off the eye test .... we're not physically dominating the way Rex & the staff expected, running as effective, or even taking shots downfield in a smart way to loosen up the D. Its only pre season so I won't even glance at the panic button but I'm already thinking I'm going to be looking for it sooner than I thought.

GoBigGreen · 08-18-2012, 11:14 PM

We haven't even hit the rebuilding stage yet and we are in cap hell.

It's going to be a long few years.

KingofNY · 08-18-2012, 11:19 PM

If we had an offense that resembled a "real" NFL offense our defense would be the best in the league. Our FO is slowly destroying this team by replacing talent with crap. We went from Braylon Edwards to Plaxico Burress to Chaz Shillens. Meanwhile NE has 6 NFL starting WR's not including their TE's.

We go from aquiring a pro-bowl talent for our line 3 years ago and then do nothing to upgrade it this offseason. ANY NFL team lives on their offensive line. Give either Manning brother our O-line and they would just like Sanchez. So damn sad considering our D is decent. Jets are going to be the 2011 Browns.

LadainianIMnotDONE · 08-18-2012, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigGreen

We haven't even hit the rebuilding stage yet and we are in cap hell.

It's going to be a long few years.

dude I disagree. We're a capable team. Maybe 1 or 2 teams in the whole league have a secondary better than us and our major competition are teams that attack thru the air. If our pass rush is there during the season we'll be straight and our defense can be a top 3 defense without a doubt but if the O isn't getting any first downs and etc they'll be worndown and battered by week 5 or 6. Remember we thought we were in a rebuilding stage when Rex FIRST got here and we got Sanchez and starting him. People would have settled for 8-8 and been excited. Things got moving quicker than we expected and you pull 1 or 2 moves and you're right there. If the O can just be like what San Fran had last year ... we can manage. I mean they got Frank Gore and a an all-world tightend ... but if we can manage like that we'll be okay. San Fran was 2 nonfumbled special teams plays from possibly being in the superbowl.

JetsMike · 08-18-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LadainianIMnotDONE

Those 3rd and 1 runs today and 4th and 1 runs were more prideful calls than smart calls. This whole "ground and pound" thing is terrible when you don't open up the running game by taking shots downfield. I know its only pre season but the idea that we're going to be a power running team without a O line that is opening gaps, taking shots downfield to open up the running game and loosen the D, & having an RB to really be effective .... is scaring me. Our running game took 3-4 weeks to get going 2 years ago, it sucked last year, and we're just trying to enforce this identity again so Rex can get his clock management thing working. We don't have a Ray Rice or a RB unit with power runners and quick hole hitting guys. McKnight isn't proven, Greene isn't a featured back he's a change of pace guy, & Powell is less proven than McKnight.

I know we were missing all our receivers today but just off the eye test .... we're not physically dominating the way Rex & the staff expected, running as effective, or even taking shots downfield in a smart way to loosen up the D. Its only pre season so I won't even glance at the panic button but I'm already thinking I'm going to be looking for it sooner than I thought.

In the regular season is Tebow running that 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1???

King Koopa · 08-18-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LadainianIMnotDONE

Those 3rd and 1 runs today and 4th and 1 runs were more prideful calls than smart calls. This whole "ground and pound" thing is terrible when you don't open up the running game by taking shots downfield. I know its only pre season but the idea that we're going to be a power running team without a O line that is opening gaps, taking shots downfield to open up the running game and loosen the D, & having an RB to really be effective .... is scaring me. Our running game took 3-4 weeks to get going 2 years ago, it sucked last year, and we're just trying to enforce this identity again so Rex can get his clock management thing working. We don't have a Ray Rice or a RB unit with power runners and quick hole hitting guys. McKnight isn't proven, Greene isn't a featured back he's a change of pace guy, & Powell is less proven than McKnight.

I know we were missing all our receivers today but just off the eye test .... we're not physically dominating the way Rex & the staff expected, running as effective, or even taking shots downfield in a smart way to loosen up the D. Its only pre season so I won't even glance at the panic button but I'm already thinking I'm going to be looking for it sooner than I thought.

This guy gets it

LadainianIMnotDONE · 08-18-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsMike

In the regular season is Tebow running that 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1???

I don't know .... you'd have to think he'd get a few of those 3rd and short yardage situations.

REDDOG2004 · 08-18-2012, 11:33 PM

While I still see the Jets as the third best team in the afc east.
It's still only pre-season!!!

Once the real games start-Things could go differently
Jets D could keep them in games until their offense develops a pulse.

I'de temper expectations early in the season but you just need to be playing better at the end of the year to have a shot.

Todd Burger · 08-18-2012, 11:41 PM

Curious to see what happens on opening day with our OL facing Buffalo's dominant DL. Sanchez will be running for his life.

lageman4ever · 08-18-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigGreen

We haven't even hit the rebuilding stage yet and we are in cap hell.

It's going to be a long few years.

That Sanchez extension is really going to come back to haunt the Jets. I'd much rather the team sucks this year and then take a QB with a top 5 pick. But Sanchez is uncuttable for 2 years.

BayAreaJets4life · 08-19-2012, 12:08 AM

I didn't think it was possible. But our offense actually looks worse than last year's. Absolutely nothing was done in the offseason to fix the obviously gaping gaps on offense. It's not just hunter although he is a big part of the problem. Sanchez not making any throws. No playmaker on offense.

No way we will be able to ground and pound with this inept O line. I think we will break the record for most three and outs in a season.

Oh and wait till Holmes comes back. Once we start piling up losses, watch him quit on this team.

I have absolutely no hope for this offense. How are we gonna improve? Is hunter going to suddenly start playing like a real nfl caliber OT? Is Sanchez going to start playing and making throws more than 10 freaking yards? Where is the help coming from?

We could blame last year's issues on the shortened preparation time. But this year, I have no reason to believe that we will turn this thing around...

We need a miracle from God... tebow??.. Yeah right...

patman · 08-19-2012, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lageman4ever

That Sanchez extension is really going to come back to haunt the Jets. I'd much rather the team sucks this year and then take a QB with a top 5 pick. But Sanchez is uncuttable for 2 years.

This is funny that i as a pats fan will be talking you guys off the ledge. You are no worse as a team than you were last year on offense. On Defense you should even be better.

You guys just drank too much kool-aid thinking that the oline switching from a ZBS to a on one one inline block scheme was going to be a smooth transition. Likewise a change in the offensive scheme, While you may not have like Schoty's playbook and game calling it was familiar and there was no big learning curve at training camp.

One thing I can fault the jets for is giving Tebow all these reps in practice. This has to stop this week! Sanchez needs the reps and the oline needs one type of qb to block for.

JB1089 · 08-19-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by patman

This is funny that i as a pats fan will be talking you guys off the ledge. You are no worse as a team than you were last year on offense. On Defense you should even be better.

You guys just drank too much kool-aid thinking that the oline switching from a ZBS to a on one one inline block scheme was going to be a smooth transition. Likewise a change in the offensive scheme, While you may not have like Schoty's playbook and game calling it was familiar and there was no big learning curve at training camp.

One thing I can fault the jets for is giving Tebow all these reps in practice. This has to stop this week! Sanchez needs the reps and the oline needs one type of qb to block for.

Tebow has been working with the 2nd team almost exclusively, except for the Wildcat stuff that they spent a few days on.

bigdanNJ · 08-19-2012, 07:16 AM

ground and pound, baby. rex is stuck in the 80's

SoFlaJets · 08-19-2012, 07:49 AM

this is a 5-11 team at best, we'll be starting "Let's Draft So and so ..." threads by Halloween

Greentide · 08-19-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdanNJ

ground and pound, baby. rex is stuck in the 80's

Jets will end up no better than 8 wins this season unless they upgrade the RT position. My mantra has and always will be, O Line is the most critical unit in football. Fundamentals of successful football haven't changed in the 45+ years I've been a fan.The next most important is QB, and you need 2 that are at least adequate.

CleatMarks · 08-19-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by patman

This is funny that i as a pats fan will be talking you guys off the ledge. You are no worse as a team than you were last year on offense. On Defense you should even be better.

You guys just drank too much kool-aid thinking that the oline switching from a ZBS to a on one one inline block scheme was going to be a smooth transition. Likewise a change in the offensive scheme, While you may not have like Schoty's playbook and game calling it was familiar and there was no big learning curve at training camp.

One thing I can fault the jets for is giving Tebow all these reps in practice. This has to stop this week! Sanchez needs the reps and the oline needs one type of qb to block for.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles wax NE on Monday...not going to worry about it.

It's only pre-season...the Jets defense looks solid and the offense is a work in progress.

I'm telling you, I don't start getting encouraged/discouraged until about 6 weeks into regular season.

Gastineau99 · 08-19-2012, 08:09 AM

Those runs to Connor won't happen in the regular season. Short yardage will be Tebow Time! C'Mon man, it's preseason... chill. Jets aren't showing any o the real playbook yet.

Gastineau99 · 08-19-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigGreen

We haven't even hit the rebuilding stage yet and we are in cap hell.

It's going to be a long few years.

OMG... If its going to be a long few years, do us all a favor and take your SOJ a$$ on a sabbatical so we don't have to see your sad sack garbage cluttering up every thread.

Gastineau99 · 08-19-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles wax NE on Monday...not going to worry about it.

It's only pre-season...the Jets defense looks solid and the offense is a work in progress.

I'm telling you, I don't start getting encouraged/discouraged until about 6 weeks into regular season.

Wow... A rational thought on JI. You don't see many of these this preseason.

08-18-2012, 11:13 PM	#1
LadainianIMnotDONE All League Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,629	This is going to be a LONG season Those 3rd and 1 runs today and 4th and 1 runs were more prideful calls than smart calls. This whole "ground and pound" thing is terrible when you don't open up the running game by taking shots downfield. I know its only pre season but the idea that we're going to be a power running team without a O line that is opening gaps, taking shots downfield to open up the running game and loosen the D, & having an RB to really be effective .... is scaring me. Our running game took 3-4 weeks to get going 2 years ago, it sucked last year, and we're just trying to enforce this identity again so Rex can get his clock management thing working. We don't have a Ray Rice or a RB unit with power runners and quick hole hitting guys. McKnight isn't proven, Greene isn't a featured back he's a change of pace guy, & Powell is less proven than McKnight. I know we were missing all our receivers today but just off the eye test .... we're not physically dominating the way Rex & the staff expected, running as effective, or even taking shots downfield in a smart way to loosen up the D. Its only pre season so I won't even glance at the panic button but I'm already thinking I'm going to be looking for it sooner than I thought.

08-18-2012, 11:14 PM	#2
GoBigGreen Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 1,002	We haven't even hit the rebuilding stage yet and we are in cap hell. It's going to be a long few years.

08-18-2012, 11:19 PM	#3
KingofNY Fire Sparano, Tanny and bench Sanchez. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,983	If we had an offense that resembled a "real" NFL offense our defense would be the best in the league. Our FO is slowly destroying this team by replacing talent with crap. We went from Braylon Edwards to Plaxico Burress to Chaz Shillens. Meanwhile NE has 6 NFL starting WR's not including their TE's. We go from aquiring a pro-bowl talent for our line 3 years ago and then do nothing to upgrade it this offseason. ANY NFL team lives on their offensive line. Give either Manning brother our O-line and they would just like Sanchez. So damn sad considering our D is decent. Jets are going to be the 2011 Browns.

08-18-2012, 11:33 PM	#8
REDDOG2004 Watching the watchers watch you Practice Squad Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 492	While I still see the Jets as the third best team in the afc east. It's still only pre-season!!! Once the real games start-Things could go differently Jets D could keep them in games until their offense develops a pulse. I'de temper expectations early in the season but you just need to be playing better at the end of the year to have a shot.

08-18-2012, 11:41 PM	#9
Todd Burger Waterboy Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 21	Curious to see what happens on opening day with our OL facing Buffalo's dominant DL. Sanchez will be running for his life.

08-19-2012, 12:08 AM	#11
BayAreaJets4life Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2	I didn't think it was possible. But our offense actually looks worse than last year's. Absolutely nothing was done in the offseason to fix the obviously gaping gaps on offense. It's not just hunter although he is a big part of the problem. Sanchez not making any throws. No playmaker on offense. No way we will be able to ground and pound with this inept O line. I think we will break the record for most three and outs in a season. Oh and wait till Holmes comes back. Once we start piling up losses, watch him quit on this team. I have absolutely no hope for this offense. How are we gonna improve? Is hunter going to suddenly start playing like a real nfl caliber OT? Is Sanchez going to start playing and making throws more than 10 freaking yards? Where is the help coming from? We could blame last year's issues on the shortened preparation time. But this year, I have no reason to believe that we will turn this thing around... We need a miracle from God... tebow??.. Yeah right...

08-19-2012, 07:16 AM	#14
bigdanNJ Veteran Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,158	ground and pound, baby. rex is stuck in the 80's

08-19-2012, 07:49 AM	#15
SoFlaJets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Worth,Fl Posts: 6,186	this is a 5-11 team at best, we'll be starting "Let's Draft So and so ..." threads by Halloween

08-19-2012, 08:09 AM	#18
Gastineau99 Section 135 All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,344	Those runs to Connor won't happen in the regular season. Short yardage will be Tebow Time! C'Mon man, it's preseason... chill. Jets aren't showing any o the real playbook yet.