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Eckesg1 · 08-20-2012, 05:20 PM

1. People are and have been complaining about Woody Johnson and his need to own the back pages. Didn't Sonny Werblin do that too by signing Joe Namath to a huge contract? Nobody complains about that, so why are people complaining now?

2. You know who else has a ****ty O-line? The Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't hear their fans complaining about it, do you?

10PennyToColes87 · 08-20-2012, 05:25 PM

Not going to answer No. 1 because it's irrelevant.

As for your second question, no, I don't hear their fans complaining about it. You know why? Because the Steelers were competent enough to realize a problem early and spend their first two draft selections trying to shore it up. DeCastro and Adams will be damn good football players. Not to mention, Big Ben doesn't need an elite o-line to succeed. Holding onto the ball too long and making plays is what he does.

Too bad I can't say the same about Hunter or Robert Griffin, our late-round attempt at trying to fix the OL, or Sanchez.

Eckesg1 · 08-20-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 10PennyToColes87

Not going to answer No. 1 because it's irrelevant.

As for your second question, no, I don't hear their fans complaining about it. You know why? Because the Steelers were competent enough to realize a problem early and spend their first two draft selections trying to shore it up. DeCastro and Adams will be damn good football players. Not to mention, Big Ben doesn't need an elite o-line to succeed. Holding onto the ball too long and making plays is what he does.

Too bad I can't say the same about Hunter or Robert Griffin, our late-round attempt at trying to fix the OL, or Sanchez.

Rumors are that DeCastro has been soft in training camp.

And answer number 1. Humor me.

HDKostempski · 08-20-2012, 05:32 PM

I think that Joe Namath was a slightly better QB than Tim Tebow.

10PennyToColes87 · 08-20-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

Rumors are that DeCastro has been soft in training camp.

And answer number 1. Humor me.

I would take a "soft" DeCastro over Hunter. Wouldn't you?

The question has no bearing on the problems at hand right now. I'm not a Woody hater like so many around here. Personally, I think the conspiracy with the back pages and all that is extremely trite. However, fans have every right to question his (and Tannenbaum's) moves as of late. Namely: Tebow, Tim.

bigdanNJ · 08-20-2012, 05:35 PM

The Pittsburgh Steelers have been a winning franchise and have the SB's to prove it

Beerfish · 08-20-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

1. People are and have been complaining about Woody Johnson and his need to own the back pages. Didn't Sonny Werblin do that too by signing Joe Namath to a huge contract? Nobody complains about that, so why are people complaining now?

2. You know who else has a ****ty O-line? The Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't hear their fans complaining about it, do you?

Pittsburgh, Indy the last few years, chicago have had really bad olines he big difference is Rothlisburger, Manning, Cutler.

Eckesg1 · 08-20-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HDKostempski

I think that Joe Namath was a slightly better QB than Tim Tebow.

So? The motivation of grabbing headlines was still the same

Buzzsaw · 08-20-2012, 05:38 PM

I watched Decastro carefully last night, he looked pretty damn good

Toooon · 08-20-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 10PennyToColes87

Not going to answer No. 1 because it's irrelevant.

As for your second question, no, I don't hear their fans complaining about it. You know why? Because the Steelers were competent enough to realize a problem early and spend their first two draft selections trying to shore it up. DeCastro and Adams will be damn good football players. Not to mention, Big Ben doesn't need an elite o-line to succeed. Holding onto the ball too long and making plays is what he does.

Too bad I can't say the same about Hunter or Robert Griffin, our late-round attempt at trying to fix the OL, or Sanchez.

This pretty much nails it. What a ridiculous thread topic. Werblin was trying to establish a new league, how is this in any way relevant to today?

Borgoguy · 08-20-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HDKostempski

I think that Joe Namath was a slightly better QB than Tim Tebow.

Or "Mr. Pick 6".

2milehighJet · 08-20-2012, 05:53 PM

Im sure if the intrawebz was created in '67 a few folks may have complained.

Jordy · 08-20-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

1. People are and have been complaining about Woody Johnson and his need to own the back pages. Didn't Sonny Werblin do that too by signing Joe Namath to a huge contract? Nobody complains about that, so why are people complaining now?

2. You know who else has a ****ty O-line? The Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't hear their fans complaining about it, do you?

1) Namath delivered.

2) They'll still win 10+ games. Besides, who cares about them? How exactly does that help us win games?

Charlie Brown · 08-20-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

1. People are and have been complaining about Woody Johnson and his need to own the back pages. Didn't Sonny Werblin do that too by signing Joe Namath to a huge contract? Nobody complains about that, so why are people complaining now?

2. You know who else has a ****ty O-line? The Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't hear their fans complaining about it, do you?

1. Werblin put a better product on the field and WON!!!!

2. The fact that the Steelers have an poor OL is not the key, they also have better RBs and WRs than the Jets have and IMO Big Ben still looked Big Awfull behind that OL.....

HDKostempski · 08-20-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

So? The motivation of grabbing headlines was still the same

The AFL was at war with the NFL at the time. Signing the premier college QB was a big deal in that war, probably only second to the Jets winning the SB in 1969. He was the Andrew Luck of his day.

Furthermore, Werblin's gamble paid off. Namath became the AFL's first star, and his prediction of the Jets winning the SB, propelled him to national fame and forced the merger.

Johnson's move is simply going to go as one of the stupidest ever made by an NFL owner NOT suffering from dementia.

Peebag · 08-20-2012, 06:13 PM

someone do research and see how much Sonny Werblin paid John Huarte - the 2nd qb the Jets drafted in 1965....

Jordy · 08-20-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peebag

someone do research and see how much Sonny Werblin paid John Huarte - the 2nd qb the Jets drafted in 1965....

Huarte got Namath's sloppy seconds. That was his compensation.

(don't fine me Gary Bettmann)

GreenWave · 08-20-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HDKostempski

I think that Joe Namath was a slightly better QB than Tim Tebow.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

1) Namath delivered.

2) They'll still win 10+ games. Besides, who cares about them? How exactly does that help us win games?

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

1. Werblin put a better product on the field and WON!!!!

2. The fact that the Steelers have an poor OL is not the key, they also have better RBs and WRs than the Jets have and IMO Big Ben still looked Big Awfull behind that OL.....

Not sure if these were the answers you were looking for, but they are definitely the right answers...

Pointing out the Steelers' terrible OL is like saying the Pats had terrible starters at WR from 2001-2005. That was true, but that didn't stop them from winning 3 super bowls in four years.

jetstream23 · 08-20-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenWave

Not sure if these were the answers you were looking for, but they are definitely the right answers...

Pointing out the Steelers' terrible OL is like saying the Pats had terrible starters at WR from 2001-2005. That was true, but that didn't stop them from winning 3 super bowls in four years.

Bingo!

Some teams can take lemons and make lemonade.

The Jets take lemons, keep them too long until they rot, then try to feed them to their fans for $150 a ticket!

Kentucky Jet · 08-20-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 10PennyToColes87

I would take a "soft" DeCastro over Hunter. Wouldn't you?

The question has no bearing on the problems at hand right now. I'm not a Woody hater like so many around here. Personally, I think the conspiracy with the back pages and all that is extremely trite. However, fans have every right to question his (and Tannenbaum's) moves as of late. Namely: Tebow, Tim.

One plays OG the other OT

08-20-2012, 05:20 PM	#1
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	Two things 1. People are and have been complaining about Woody Johnson and his need to own the back pages. Didn't Sonny Werblin do that too by signing Joe Namath to a huge contract? Nobody complains about that, so why are people complaining now? 2. You know who else has a ****ty O-line? The Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't hear their fans complaining about it, do you?

08-20-2012, 05:25 PM	#2
10PennyToColes87 Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoFla Posts: 15,382	Not going to answer No. 1 because it's irrelevant. As for your second question, no, I don't hear their fans complaining about it. You know why? Because the Steelers were competent enough to realize a problem early and spend their first two draft selections trying to shore it up. DeCastro and Adams will be damn good football players. Not to mention, Big Ben doesn't need an elite o-line to succeed. Holding onto the ball too long and making plays is what he does. Too bad I can't say the same about Hunter or Robert Griffin, our late-round attempt at trying to fix the OL, or Sanchez.

08-20-2012, 05:32 PM	#4
HDKostempski Enemy Newbie Waterboy Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 6	I think that Joe Namath was a slightly better QB than Tim Tebow.

08-20-2012, 05:35 PM	#6
bigdanNJ Veteran Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,158	The Pittsburgh Steelers have been a winning franchise and have the SB's to prove it

08-20-2012, 05:38 PM	#9
Buzzsaw Jets Insider VIP Board Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26,309	I watched Decastro carefully last night, he looked pretty damn good

08-20-2012, 05:53 PM	#12
2milehighJet Needs to sharpen his edges All League Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Breckenridge, CO Posts: 3,144	Im sure if the intrawebz was created in '67 a few folks may have complained.

08-20-2012, 06:13 PM	#16
Peebag being disappointed since January 13th, 1969 All Pro Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: great midwest -well not so great Posts: 7,123	someone do research and see how much Sonny Werblin paid John Huarte - the 2nd qb the Jets drafted in 1965....