Lance Armstrong II: Electric Boogaloo!

[greenwichjetfan]

Originally Posted by crossfire

Maybe test stokes?

Originally Posted by Soberphobia

That's a good question man - bit late for it right now for me though. What about for yourself? The bubble is slowly going out of commodities, think overall I'd be steering my money elsewhere. Your opinion?

I got outta energies about a month ago...still have a position in gold but that's more for hedging purposes.

[crossfire]

Originally Posted by greenwichjetfan

Maybe test stokes?

HEDs?







(Height Enhancing Drugs)

[Gangrene]

I have been a lunatic cycling fan for years and followed the doping scandals in Europe closing as I grew up there and continued to follow it after I moved to the US.

What has been said previously by knowledgeable posters is true ... previously no one in cycling was clean . Winning the Tour De France meant that you were effectively given first prize for being the most effective (undetectable) blood booster / blood doper. The dilemma for cyclists was " If I don't dope, I don't have a chance" That was the premise that cyclists, their trainers, their managers for decades embraced. It was a no-win situation ... unless you won.

Do I believe that Lance doped ... yes I believe it wholeheartedly but the whole sport was dirty and some say still is dirty today. All the blood and urine samples are kept in the hope that the technology in the future will be able to detect manipulations of blood that are not detectable yet.

So the wrong was relative. Lance did the smartest thing he could, he used the line that he was sick of witch hunt so he was no longer defending himself.


I hate cheating in football, horse-racing, cycling or in any sport. Sports in an ideal non-practical world is about something higher that money. It is about purity, competition on a level playing field.

The harsh reality is that cheating is eternal, is universal, mankind is corrupt to the core.

[Dirtstar]

Originally Posted by Gangrene

Crossfire, I hope you have a state-of-the-art home security system.

I can see Stokes , ninja-like climbing up the side of your house at night with a Bowie knife in his mouth. !

i can (barely) see it, too:

[crossfire]

Originally Posted by Dirtstar

i can (barely) see it, too:

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by crossfire

You muther...here's a real one from the Wyckoff Tri.


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[crasherino]

Originally Posted by Gangrene

I have been a lunatic cycling fan for years and followed the doping scandals in Europe closing as I grew up there and continued to follow it after I moved to the US.

What has been said previously by knowledgeable posters is true ... previously no one in cycling was clean . Winning the Tour De France meant that you were effectively given first prize for being the most effective (undetectable) blood booster / blood doper. The dilemma for cyclists was " If I don't dope, I don't have a chance" That was the premise that cyclists, their trainers, their managers for decades embraced. It was a no-win situation ... unless you won.

Do I believe that Lance doped ... yes I believe it wholeheartedly but the whole sport was dirty and some say still is dirty today. All the blood and urine samples are kept in the hope that the technology in the future will be able to detect manipulations of blood that are not detectable yet.

So the wrong was relative. Lance did the smartest thing he could, he used the line that he was sick of witch hunt so he was no longer defending himself.


I hate cheating in football, horse-racing, cycling or in any sport. Sports in an ideal non-practical world is about something higher that money. It is about purity, competition on a level playing field.

The harsh reality is that cheating is eternal, is universal, mankind is corrupt to the core.

Yeah, but what about his ferverent denials over the years? The underlying transgression is one thing - the cover up and denials over the last 10 years are another.

Armstrong's problem was that he was too successful. Its one thing to fade into the background if you were rider that was doping who never quite made it to the podium. No one gives a sh!t. But, if you go out and win 7 Tours, you'll be in the spotlight. And just because the prosecution of Armstrong has been mean spirited, doesn't mean that he didn't dope.

If he's going to continue to deny these allegations despite the mounting evidence, people will continue to dig. He now is stopping his defense at a time when his back is against the wall and he really had no rebuttal. He could go after the character of Hamilton, Landis, etc. Not sure he could do that with Hincapie. And not sure he could count on Georgie perjuring himself to protect his old buddy.

[thebigragu]

Only you gheys could get in a heated argument about some Spandex wearing Nancy boy and his bike..even got the thread locked. I think it's time for nutsack transplants all around.

[WestCoastOffensive]

Originally Posted by JStokes

You muther...here's a real one from the Wyckoff Tri.


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This is the doping thread, not the dopey thread.

[crasherino]

Originally Posted by thebigragu

Only you gheys could get in a heated argument about some Spandex wearing Nancy boy and his bike..even got the thread locked. I think it's time for nutsack transplants all around.

Just because Warfish wears a skirt on occasion, doesn't mean he's the ghey. Lets not jump to conclusions.

[thebigragu]

Originally Posted by crasherino

Just because Warfish wears a skirt on occasion, doesn't mean he's the ghey. Lets not jump to conclusions.

If he's cycling in that kilt it's good enough for me. No not like that you know what I mean.

[Timmy®]

Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

This is the doping thread, not the dopey thread.

Italians, why the hell can't they keep their hands down? He looks like he's singing a song with "mozz-a- rell-uh - pizza pie-uh"

[crossfire]

Originally Posted by JStokes

You muther...here's a real one from the Wyckoff Tri.

Seconds later...

[JStokes]

Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

This is the doping thread, not the dopey thread.

That hurts.

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[WestCoastOffensive]

Originally Posted by JStokes

That hurts.

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You look cut; you work out?


Signed,

GHEY-FY

[Gangrene]

Originally Posted by crasherino

Yeah, but what about his ferverent denials over the years? The underlying transgression is one thing - the cover up and denials over the last 10 years are another.

Armstrong's problem was that he was too successful. Its one thing to fade into the background if you were rider that was doping who never quite made it to the podium. No one gives a sh!t. But, if you go out and win 7 Tours, you'll be in the spotlight. And just because the prosecution of Armstrong has been mean spirited, doesn't mean that he didn't dope.

If he's going to continue to deny these allegations despite the mounting evidence, people will continue to dig. He now is stopping his defense at a time when his back is against the wall and he really had no rebuttal. He could go after the character of Hamilton, Landis, etc. Not sure he could do that with Hincapie. And not sure he could count on Georgie perjuring himself to protect his old buddy.

I agree ... weirdly what bothers me more than the doping, is the years of denial. I can understanding doping - but the years and years of angry denials until enough circumstantial evidence come to light that it becomes irrefutable is what bothers me most.

Originally Posted by thebigragu

Only you gheys could get in a heated argument about some Spandex wearing Nancy boy and his bike..even got the thread locked. I think it's time for nutsack transplants all around.

De Geys are people too ! I stay away from discussing anything beyond football on the Landstrip. If I had a choice I would keep my football discussions in the Hampur too.

[BushyTheBeaver]

More Vanna goodness.

[Gangrene]

Originally Posted by Dirtstar

i can (barely) see it, too:

Dirtstar, that Bob The Builder, Ninja Warrior figure is going to go all Toy Story on you tonight !

[Gangrene]

Originally Posted by JStokes

You muther...here's a real one from the Wyckoff Tri.


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You do look like a fit Mo'Fo', Stokes.

You in the bicycle shorts and Ragu in his wife-beater in the kitchen with the Poodle could do an awesome work-out / tomato sauce cook-off video ...

[Dirtstar]

Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

You look cut; you work out?


Signed,

GHEY-FY

lmao