Democrat Congresswoman Busted Voting in 2 States

[chiefst2000]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,3764352.story

Democrat withdraws from 1st District congressional race after allegations she voted in two states - AG Holder maintains that voter ID laws are racist and voter fraud is non-existent.

Rosen says she registered in Fla. to support friend there



Wendy Rosen, the Democratic nominee running against Republican Rep. Andy Harris in the 1st Congressional District, withdrew from the race Monday. (Handout photo)
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By Matthew Hay Brown, The Baltimore Sun
9:50 a.m. EDT, September 11, 2012

Wendy Rosen, the Democratic challenger to Republican Rep. Andy Harris in the 1st Congressional District, withdrew from the race Monday amid allegations that she voted in elections in both Maryland and Florida in 2006 and 2008.

It was unclear, however, whether she could remove her name from the ballot with the election less than two months away. Under state law, a candidate has until 70 days before an election to remove his or her name from the ballot. The deadline for the Nov. 6 election passed on Aug. 28.

Democratic leaders — who raised the allegations, urged Rosen to step aside and notified prosecutors — said they would gather Central Committee members this month to identify a write-in candidate for the district, which includes the Eastern Shore and parts of Harford, Carroll, Cecil and Baltimore counties.

Republicans, meanwhile, said the allegations prove that voter fraud is real and called on Democrats to join the GOP in calling for reforms.

Rosen, 57, a Cockeysville businesswoman and Maryland voter, told The Baltimore Sun that she registered to vote in Florida several years ago in order to support a "very close friend" running for the St. Petersburg City Council and to vote on local issues there.

Rosen said she was able to register in Florida because she owned property there.

Under Maryland law, a voter here may not maintain registration in a second state if it allows the voter to participate in state or federal elections there, according to Jared DeMarinis, director of candidacy and campaign finance at the State Board of Elections.

State Democratic Chairwoman Yvette Lewis said an examination of voting records in Maryland and Florida showed that Rosen participated in the 2006 general election and the 2008 primaries in both states.

Maryland and Florida both held gubernatorial and congressional contests in 2006 and presidential primaries in 2008, when Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton competed for the Democratic nomination.

Asked by The Sun on Monday if she had voted in both states in the same elections, Rosen said she did not remember how she voted. Asked if she had voted twice in the 2008 presidential primaries, she declined to comment "due to possible litigation."

Lewis referred the allegations Monday to Attorney General Douglas F. Gansler and State Prosecutor Emmitt C. Davitt.

"We believe that this is a clear violation of Maryland law and urge the appropriate office to conduct a full investigation," she wrote. "The Maryland Democratic Party strongly believes in upholding and expanding the right to vote but, at the same time, believes there should be zero tolerance for voter fraud of any kind."

DeMarinis, the state elections official, said there are narrow circumstances under which a Maryland voter may register legally in two places.

Some municipalities maintain separate voting rolls for local elections. These allow property owners — even those that live and vote elsewhere — to register and participate in elections for local offices and ballot questions.

Thus, DeMarinis said, a resident of Baltimore who owned a vacation home in Ocean City could legally vote in local elections there, too.

DeMarinis said he knows of no law against a Maryland voter participating in local elections in another state. But an out-of-state registration that permitted participation in state and federal elections would be illegal, he said.

A spokesman for Maryland Democrats said party leaders were told of Rosen's dual registration by someone within the party on Friday. After verifying the details over the weekend, spokesman Matthew Verghese said, the leaders confronted Rosen on Monday.

Rosen was seen as the underdog to Harris, a 55-year-old physician from Baltimore County who is serving his first term in Congress. The district that has grown more solidly Republican since Harris ousted Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil in 2010.

Still, she mounted a highly visible effort to promote her candidacy in July at the annual J. Millard Tawes crab feast in Crisfield.

At the time, she told a reporter she believed Harris was vulnerable to a challenge because of unpopularity among voters.

[Warfish]

Voter Fraud doesn't exist, stop being a paranoid racist please.

[chiefst2000]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Voter Fraud doesn't exist, stop being a paranoid racist please.

Dont forget woman hater and ghey basher. Throw in some SOJF for S & G's

[AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Voter Fraud doesn't exist, stop being a paranoid racist please.

+1

So libs... How did this go unchecked for 6 years?

[doggin94it]

Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite

+1

So libs... How did this go unchecked for 6 years?

There's no national voter registry and states don't cross check registries on a regular basis. No reason it should have been caught (and this is one Voter ID would do nothing to catch, btw)

[piney]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Voter Fraud doesn't exist, stop being a paranoid racist please.

Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite

+1

So libs... How did this go unchecked for 6 years?

please explain how a voter ID would have stopped this from happening. Thanks in advance.

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by piney

please explain how a voter ID would have stopped this from happening. Thanks in advance.

It wouldn't have.

[quantum]

Having a national ID card would, but I'm sure that racist AND Nazi-like.

[piney]

Originally Posted by quantum

Having a national ID card would, but I'm sure that racist AND Nazi-like.

Explain how a national ID would have stopped this from happening. Was she voting under a false name?

[quantum]

Originally Posted by piney

Explain how a national ID would have stopped this from happening. Was she voting under a false name?

wouldn't it list her address WITH STATE?

[chiefst2000]

Originally Posted by piney

Explain how a national ID would have stopped this from happening. Was she voting under a false name?

If she had to show ID it would have contained her Maryland address.

[piney]

Originally Posted by quantum

wouldn't it list her address WITH STATE?

so a national ID would list the state but a state ID wouldn't? If she was registered but her ID had a different state then she would have been turned away?

So what do we want here then? A federal ID? A state ID? What is the expiration? Could I get more than one if I move let's say from Florida to Maryland and then have two IDs? Would you have to renew it when you move? Where would you go to get it renewed? How would it stop voter registration fraud? If I own property in two states (say Fla and NY) could I get ID for both states?

I have no problem with photo ID. I think when some dope from Penn yells to a crowd how Voter ID law will give Romney a victory in Penn, he isn't helping matters. I don't like moving the goalposts this late in the game. I could support a federal ID. I think the cost would outweigh the benefit, but this isn't exactly a hot button issue for me.

[piney]

Originally Posted by chiefst2000

If she had to show ID it would have contained her Maryland address.

she owned property in both states, couldn't she get two IDs if she were willfully committing voter fraud?

[chiefst2000]

Originally Posted by piney

she owned property in both states, couldn't she get two IDs if she were willfully committing voter fraud?

She could but that would have been quite a hassle. It would discourage this type of fraud rather then fully eliminate it. Better then nothing amirite?

[piney]

Originally Posted by chiefst2000

She could but that would have been quite a hassle. It would discourage this type of fraud rather then fully eliminate it. Better then nothing amirite?

Wait, so now even though IDs won't eliminate voter fraud like this example from the article, now if voter IDs a small percentage is okay as long as we take measures to discourage it? So what percentage of voter fraud is acceptable? What type of reduction would make Voter ID a success?

Also, is this one case of voter fraud over the last 6 years now the poster child for "voter fraud is real" Shouldn't we figure out a voting system that eliminates absentee voting fraud, double-registration when you own property in more than one state, and in person fraud?

Or should we just rush through IDs for the swing states now before this election and all that other stuff is okay because, hey, now we are discouraging voter fraud.

[chiefst2000]

Originally Posted by piney

Wait, so now even though IDs won't eliminate voter fraud like this example from the article, now if voter IDs a small percentage is okay as long as we take measures to discourage it? So what percentage of voter fraud is acceptable? What type of reduction would make Voter ID a success?

Also, is this one case of voter fraud over the last 6 years now the poster child for "voter fraud is real" Shouldn't we figure out a voting system that eliminates absentee voting fraud, double-registration when you own property in more than one state, and in person fraud?

Or should we just rush through IDs for the swing states now before this election and all that other stuff is okay because, hey, now we are discouraging voter fraud.

I am for any system that reduces or eliminates fraud. Your example is disingenuous. It is impossible for any bureaucratic system to eliminate all possible forms of fraud. In this specific case, had the new voter ID law been in place, this woman would have had to go to the DMV in Florida and get a 2nd drivers licence or local ID card which had her Florida address in order to commit her particular act of fraud. The law sim ply places another barrier in the way. There is no possible way to elliminate all fraud.

I will give you another example of the sillyness of your position. Lets say I own a pharmacy and I'm trying to reduce theft. So I hire a security guard and install cameras in the store. Does that mean that no one will ever successfully shoplift? No. A savvy criminal will likely find a way. The fact is that the camera and guard may catch most of the theft but not all. So by your logic I shouldn't bother hiring the guard and installing the cameras because someone might still get away with theft?

[piney]

Originally Posted by chiefst2000

I am for any system that reduces or eliminates fraud. Your example is disingenuous. It is impossible for any bureaucratic system to eliminate all possible forms of fraud. In this specific case, had the new voter ID law been in place, this woman would have had to go to the DMV in Florida and get a 2nd drivers licence or local ID card which had her Florida address in order to commit her particular act of fraud. The law sim ply places another barrier in the way. There is no possible way to elliminate all fraud.

I will give you another example of the sillyness of your position. Lets say I own a pharmacy and I'm trying to reduce theft. So I hire a security guard and install cameras in the store. Does that mean that no one will ever successfully shoplift? No. A savvy criminal will likely find a way. The fact is that the camera and guard may catch most of the theft but not all. So by your logic I shouldn't bother hiring the guard and installing the cameras because someone might still get away with theft?

your example is too simplistic, what are the crime statistics in the area? What is the cost of the extra security? Does this mean you would advocate no matter where the pharmacy is located (high crime area or low crime area) they should all have security guards and cameras regardless of the cost and benefit?

If I own a pharmacy and suffer say a .009 percent of losses due to theft I should take on extra expenses of say 15% by hiring security and installing a video monitoring system in order to stop that .009 loss?

[Warfish]

Federal Voter/ID Card.

With many aspects of administration handled by the States, and collated by the Feds.

Done and done.

Want to vote, you need to be a registered voter, with a federal voter ID card.

I'd even make um' free. It's worth it.

[piney]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Federal Voter/ID Card.

With many aspects of administration handled by the States, and collated by the Feds.

Done and done.

Want to vote, you need to be a registered voter, with a federal voter ID card.

I'd even make um' free. It's worth it.

This I would be okay with. I think some specifics still need to be worked out

(Expiration, cost to taxpayers, how to get everyone who wants to vote and can register a card, how to eliminate double registration, what does this mean for absentee ballots, etc)

[MnJetFan]

Do we need anymore excuses not to have Voter ID Cards. You need to have an ID to buy booze, to buy a car. But not to vote. This ***** needs to be put in prison NOW!