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Old 09-19-2012, 09:13 AM   #81
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@nyjetscap: Watched some more footage of the #Jets game last week. Holmes is going to be a problem if this happens again. Terrible demeanor towards QB

I was picking up on that during the game too. Looked like it got a little chippy between him and Mark after some plays....nothing major...but you could tell the frustration was growing.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:20 AM   #82
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I was picking up on that during the game too. Looked like it got a little chippy between him and Mark after some plays....nothing major...but you could tell the frustration was growing.
holmes dropped enough passes such that he should be quiet.

the jets would be best served by dumping holmes at some point and bringing in a veteran wr. it's tough to know how much the holmes situation is hurting the offense.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:20 AM   #83
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The funny thing about the commitment to Greene, is that dude was a 3rd rounder. It's not like they're trying to justify a top 10 draft pick by running him out there over and over again. Hopefully it's just a matter of when, not if, Powell takes over
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:22 AM   #84
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And so it begins. Again.

Rex, Sparano, Sanchez - one of them, or all of them, need to put this loser in check, ASAP.
Isnt this what Sparano was supposed to bring to the team? I remember hearing about all this accountability and discipline crap when he was brought in, lets see if its true. My guess is that it is more B.S from the coaches and nothing will likely change.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:43 AM   #85
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Isnt this what Sparano was supposed to bring to the team? I remember hearing about all this accountability and discipline crap when he was brought in, lets see if its true. My guess is that it is more B.S from the coaches and nothing will likely change.
Good point. Correct
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:53 AM   #86
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Isnt this what Sparano was supposed to bring to the team? I remember hearing about all this accountability and discipline crap when he was brought in, lets see if its true. My guess is that it is more B.S from the coaches and nothing will likely change.
Just asking....what can sparano or rex honestly do with holmes?

His money is guaranteed and he is completely untradeable

Clearly he doesnt care enough that he has let his route running fall off, which happened to be his best skill, so sitting down and explaining that we need him, wont help.

If we sit him (which is something to consider) our 3rd WR becomes gates or chaz (scary). And we run the risk of him going completely insane and further ripping the locker room apart.

If sanchez starts going more to hill and kerley, there is a good chance we get d!ckhead tone back like last year.

At this point, he has so much guaranteed money that he literally has zero incentive to change, and i highly doubt he would respond to the coaching staff. The best we can hope for is a Thomas Jones - Jonathon Baldwin type fight where one of our vets steps up, defends the team and sanchez, and holmes is literally ostricized in the locker room until he gets on board.

Other then that, sparano and rex would have to take a shot at reducing his snaps and hope it doesnt blow up.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:06 AM   #87
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Just asking....what can sparano or rex honestly do with holmes?

His money is guaranteed and he is completely untradeable

Clearly he doesnt care enough that he has let his route running fall off, which happened to be his best skill, so sitting down and explaining that we need him, wont help.

If we sit him (which is something to consider) our 3rd WR becomes gates or chaz (scary). And we run the risk of him going completely insane and further ripping the locker room apart.

If sanchez starts going more to hill and kerley, there is a good chance we get d!ckhead tone back like last year.

At this point, he has so much guaranteed money that he literally has zero incentive to change, and i highly doubt he would respond to the coaching staff. The best we can hope for is a Thomas Jones - Jonathon Baldwin type fight where one of our vets steps up, defends the team and sanchez, and holmes is literally ostricized in the locker room until he gets on board.

Other then that, sparano and rex would have to take a shot at reducing his snaps and hope it doesnt blow up.
They could do what the Bucs did with Keyshawn. Just tell him to go home.

If the Jets CS believe they are a better team WITHOUT Holmes (his negatives outweigh his positives) just send him home.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:27 AM   #88
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Some info from a Jenny Vrentas article (Aug) on Sparano's new scheme and how it (or doesn't) affect Green. I bolded what I found important.


After being a primarily zone-running team with Brian Schottenheimer and Bill Callahan, Sparano is putting a greater emphasis on gap-scheme plays. He wants the Jets to thrive as a power running team, with the offensive linemen knocking defenders off the ball and the running backs plowing straight ahead at a designated gap.

The Jets had great success as a zone-running team in the past, so Sparano has been careful not to discard that. All good running teams use elements of both zone and gap schemes. But the tell is — when it’s a crunch situation, what will the Jets dial up?

The answer, Sparano says, is the gap-scheme runs that put their physicality front and center.


“That’s what it is made for,” Shonn Greene, the designated “bell cow,” said.

“To be physical, downhill, hit your head on the goalpost.”

Zone runs ask the offensive linemen to move laterally, as the back reacts to the defense and chooses a crease among a few different reads.

Gap-scheme plays, on the other hand, rely on the linemen driving back defenders and creating vertical push up the field, while the back takes off toward a single spot.


There are benefits to both. But Sparano believes the gap-scheme plays best accompany his decree to be physical, by giving his linemen double teams at the point of attack and creating better angles and leverage against the defensive front. Zone plays, he explained, can sometimes isolate players in difficult one-on-one blocking situations.

Sparano, a former offensive line coach, said his plan has been to create a system that fits the personnel, both on the line and in the backfield.

Greene has fared well in zone schemes in college and his first three NFL seasons, but the 226-pound power back is no doubt well-suited for downhill, between-the tackles gap-scheme runs. Look for a lot of powers, counters and traps, Lynn said.

“Shonn can run through the smoke,” Sparano said, using a favorite expression of his. “He is a guy who can get square, and he can make a hole. And when it looks muddy in there, he can run through it and all of a sudden create 3, 4 yards going forward. He is built right for that style of football.”

Sparano has presented his plan for the run game to his players as a triangle, representing a hierarchy of the schemes they will use. True to form, he did not disclose how the triangle is organized. But he said gap-scheme plays account for the most significant slice.

Thursday night, after a week of training camp, Sparano showed the offense tape from that morning’s practice of a handful of perfectly executed plays.

He asked them to freeze a mental image of exactly how this system is supposed to look.

“They’re starting to figure out what it is that we’re becoming,” Sparano said.

Asked why the ground game will be more successful this year than last year, with largely the same personnel, Ryan pointed to both the run-first mentality and the different schematic emphasis.

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Later in the game, Holmes and Sanchez again struggled to connect on a third down. However, here on 3rd and 16 and considering the Jets field position and complete lack of offensive productivity (this play took place midway through the 3rd quarter), he should have taken Kerley in the flat. Why? It either sets up a long field goal attempt, gives you a chance to go for it on 4th and roughly 6 or maybe Kerley makes a guy miss and gets a first down.
Regardless, Sanchez decides to wait for Holmes to reach the first down marker. Unfortunately, Holmes rounds off the top of his route. Instead of driving off Ike Taylor by threatening him deep, he rounds it off too early and doesn’t make a sharp cut back to the quarterback. This doesn’t move Taylor at all who squatted on the route and easily knocked the ball down
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Forget Kerley in the flat, Gates was open as he blew past that LB crossing out of the trips formation, right in front of sanchez
why force it to holmes in triple bracket coverage. and, the staff assured he would have time by putting the RB AND the TE next to howard
stop forcing the ball to holmes ego, and scan the field Kid.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:30 AM   #90
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Later in the game, Holmes and Sanchez again struggled to connect on a third down. However, here on 3rd and 16 and considering the Jets field position and complete lack of offensive productivity (this play took place midway through the 3rd quarter), he should have taken Kerley in the flat. Why? It either sets up a long field goal attempt, gives you a chance to go for it on 4th and roughly 6 or maybe Kerley makes a guy miss and gets a first down.
Regardless, Sanchez decides to wait for Holmes to reach the first down marker. Unfortunately, Holmes rounds off the top of his route. Instead of driving off Ike Taylor by threatening him deep, he rounds it off too early and doesn’t make a sharp cut back to the quarterback. This doesn’t move Taylor at all who squatted on the route and easily knocked the ball down
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Forget Kerley in the flat, Gates was open as he blew past that LB crossing out of the trips formation, right in front of sanchez
why force it to holmes in triple bracket coverage. and, the staff assured he would have time by putting the RB AND the TE next to howard
stop forcing the ball to holmes ego, and scan the field Kid.
i think that especially against pittsburgh they're trying to make holmes happy.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:56 AM   #91
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i think that especially against pittsburgh they're trying to make holmes happy.
I think that you are 100% correct here....Ummm why not try and win the game instead.....
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