Republicans look for voter fraud, find little

[intelligentjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Sure there would.

By the Obama Justice Dept.

And you would be correct. Both parties disgrace the process by cheating in any way possible.

But to swallow the notion that these 'investigations' are anything more then an attempt to weaken the other party is to be either horribly naive or a kool-aid drinker.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

And you would be correct. Both parties disgrace the process by cheating in any way possible.

But to swallow the notion that these 'investigations' are anything more then an attempt to weaken the other party is to be either horribly naive or a kool-aid drinker.

I could care less why part A or party B cheats the system. It's 100% irrelevant to my position on the issue of voting.

Voting should require an ID, and that ID should be checked/confirmed at the time the vote is being cast. This is not an (R) position, this is my position, and I continue to believe it's the very LEAST we should be doing to ensure the process has any integrity/barriers to fraud.

[piney]

Originally Posted by Warfish

How so?

you normally require a better standard of proof.

If someone were to say to you, "I am confident that there will be tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of legitimate voter suppresion due to voter ID." I am pretty confident you would laugh that off and tell someone to provide proof.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by piney

you normally require a better standard of proof.

If someone were to say to you, "I am confident that there will be tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of legitimate voter suppresion due to voter ID." I am pretty confident you would laugh that off and tell someone to provide proof.

I would, because the IDEA behind the claim is, in my opinion, offesnive and laughable on it's face.

The idea being that voters (i.e. people who will have to take action in order to vote) are apparently incappable (especially minorities) of also taking action in order to aquire the ONE piece of documentation you almost cannot get through life without in our modern society.

And yes, my confidenince re: bad votes is founded not on stats (because lol, how can we get stats if we're not checking anything to stat'ize?), but on basic logic. Checking ID's is what I call basic validation, security. Not checking ID's is what I call "lolo, trust us, no one would ever cheat, lol derp, derp".

And frankly, their is politics behind both sides. Yes, Republicans don't want fraud.....or lazy socially inept Democrats too stupid to get ID's (or walk and chew gum) to vote. Democrats WANT ignorant, stupid lazy and illegal voters to vote, hopefully multiple times, if that means their guy wins.

A pox on all your houses. When even a BASIC systematic function like "ID verification" becomes a Political football worth this type of fight.....the system isn't just broken, it's ass ****ed by a Donkey. A Pox.

[piney]

Originally Posted by Warfish

I would, because the IDEA behind the claim is, in my opinion, offesnive and laughable on it's face.

The idea being that voters (i.e. people who will have to take action in order to vote) are apparently incappable (especially minorities) of also taking action in order to aquire the ONE piece of documentation you almost cannot get through life without in our modern society.

And yes, my confidenince re: bad votes is founded not on stats (because lol, how can we get stats if we're not checking anything to stat'ize?), but on basic logic. Checking ID's is what I call basic validation, security. Not checking ID's is what I call "lolo, trust us, no one would ever cheat, lol derp, derp".

And frankly, their is politics behind both sides. Yes, Republicans don't want fraud.....or lazy socially inept Democrats too stupid to get ID's (or walk and chew gum) to vote. Democrats WANT ignorant, stupid lazy and illegal voters to vote, hopefully multiple times, if that means their guy wins.

A pox on all your houses. When even a BASIC systematic function like "ID verification" becomes a Political football worth this type of fight.....the system isn't just broken, it's ass ****ed by a Donkey. A Pox.

although I disagree with your reasoning, Mercutio (republicans are the heroes, Dems are the villains), I have no real problem with Voter ID if it goes through a measurable trial period, is federally instituted, and is free or inexpensive and easy to obtain.

[intelligentjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Warfish

I could care less why part A or party B cheats the system. It's 100% irrelevant to my position on the issue of voting.

Voting should require an ID, and that ID should be checked/confirmed at the time the vote is being cast. This is not an (R) position, this is my position, and I continue to believe it's the very LEAST we should be doing to ensure the process has any integrity/barriers to fraud.

Then lets do that; I also have no problem with requiring a photo ID to vote except lets do it in a sensible manner and time frame.

And with respect, you may not care about the politics behind these investigations but that does not change the fact that politics is exactly what is driving this issue. If it benefited the Republicans to have the system remain status quo there would be zero investigations by their lawmakers, zero stories on their personal mega phones (murdoch owned media outlets) and zero threads posted here by the committed far-right.

Case in point; how many threads were started by conservative posters here relating to fiscal responsibility prior to 2008?

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by piney

I have no real problem with Voter ID if.......

Lets see....

it goes through a measurable trial period

Agreed. Should NOT have rammed trhough for THIS election, but passed to take effect the day after Obama/Romney.

is federally instituted

Meh, States rights..... But I'd accept it at Federal tbh, if passed/done correctly.

and is free or inexpensive and easy to obtain.

Fully agreed.

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Case in point; how many threads were started by conservative posters here relating to fiscal responsibility prior to 2008?

Alot more than you're giving credit for tbh. As one whose been a vet in here from the start, I know it, cause I started many of them.

[piney]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Lets see....

did I pass?

Meh, States rights..... But I'd accept it at Federal tbh, if passed/done correctly.

My only reason for this is I don't know if I like the idea of potentially having 50 different sets of rules for federal elections. If it were only for state elections then I think each state could do what they want.

I also think a federal ID would be better suited to handle the issue of voting in two states where you have property.

I also think you can't address ID without addressing absentee ballots. To me that is being penny-wise and dollar foolish

also this:

Agreed. Should NOT have rammed trhough for THIS election, but passed to take effect the day after Obama/Romney.

it stinks of politics, not of a real desire to curb voter fraud.

[PlumberKhan]

Absentee ballots.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by piney

did I pass?

You usually do. Aye.

Originally Posted by PK

Absentee ballots.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

If everyone were being consistent, that would be valled "Millitary Voter Supression".

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by Warfish

If everyone were being consistent, that would be valled "Millitary Voter Supression".

Bingo!


But alas. It would never happen....even though banning absentee ballots is like banning AK-47s from airplanes and Voter ID laws is like banning bringing hair gel on a plane....