Man I miss Big Tuna!

[augustiniak]

john gruden with a good young qb would turn around the team the quickest.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by BroadwayRay

Yes, let's get Bill Parcells back after all he did for the Jets:

1. Cost us Peyton Manning as QB by refusing to guarantee to Archie Manning that we would take him with our top pick in 1998.

2. ****-canning Hugh Douglas in one of his first personnel moves as Jet czar. Douglas went on to become one of the NFL's best pass rushers.

3. Cost us Bill Belichick as HC of the NYJ because his ego wouldn't allow him to hand over the reigns of power after three years like he said he would.

4. Just before leaving, filled key roles with a bunch of his incompetent cronies: Al Groh as coach, Terry Bradway as GM and Mike Tannenbaum as assistant GM. The latter two remain a blight on the organization's personnel operation to this day.

5. Not to mention the high draft picks we had to give up to sign him in the first place.

^ I thought Bill Bellichek left on his own accord just days after being named Jets HC?

[Pragmatic Bus]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

Bill Cowher was a very good coach prior to Big Ben who took his team to a Super Bowl,

As long as tanny, terry and rex are gone i dont care

[kennyo7]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic Bus

Bill cowher was a sorry ass coach until Big Ben got there and Mangini never proved anything to be considered a gm

Bill Cowher was a very good coach prior to Big Ben who took his team to a Super Bowl, 4 AFC Championship games, 8 Division titles and playoff appearances in 9 of 13 seasons all before Big Ben

If thats a sorry ass coach, Ill sign up for it in a heartbeat.

As for Mangini, did you notice how much better the drafts were when he was around vs when Rex too over. Same GM, different draft results. Thats not a coincidence. Mangini had 1 super draft and 2 very solid drafts. Gholston was his only major miss and he was picked where most "experts" thought he would be picked

[BroadwayRay]

Originally Posted by Vin

^ I thought Bill Bellichek left on his own accord just days after being named Jets HC?

He left because he wasn't given total control of football operations after three years as was promised when Parcells was originally signed. Parcells decided to stay on the throne a little while longer. Woody Johnson also tried to convince him to stay on as head coach even longer, which is one of the reasons Belichick still despises Johnson and the Jets.

[kennyo7]

Originally Posted by BroadwayRay

Yes, let's get Bill Parcells back after all he did for the Jets:

1. Cost us Peyton Manning as QB by refusing to guarantee to Archie Manning that we would take him with our top pick in 1998.

2. ****-canning Hugh Douglas in one of his first personnel moves as Jet czar. Douglas went on to become one of the NFL's best pass rushers.

3. Cost us Bill Belichick as HC of the NYJ because his ego wouldn't allow him to hand over the reigns of power after three years like he said he would.

4. Just before leaving, filled key roles with a bunch of his incompetent cronies: Al Groh as coach, Terry Bradway as GM and Mike Tannenbaum as assistant GM. The latter two remain a blight on the organization's personnel operation to this day.

5. Not to mention the high draft picks we had to give up to sign him in the first place.

Parcells took a laughingstock organization that was perennial loser that did not win a single playoff game between 1986 and 1998 and brought instant credibility. He restructured a front office that was in shambles and made this team an instant winner. If you look at the Jets pre- and post- Parcells you would understand how much that man has done for us.

For whatevere shortcomings the man may have, i am forever grateful to Parcells.

That being said, i dont want him making decisions for this team.

[BroadwayRay]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

Parcells took a laughingstock organization that was perennial loser that did not win a single playoff game between 1986 and 1998 and brought instant credibility. He restructured a front office that was in shambles and made this team an instant winner. If you look at the Jets pre- and post- Parcells you would understand how much that man has done for us.

For whatevere shortcomings the man may have, i am forever grateful to Parcells.

That being said, i dont want him making decisions for this team.

If you look at the pre-Parcells Jets, his record looks good. Post-Parcells, it's not good. Great field general, lousy GM. And selfish. Once he was done with this place, did he look for the best possible talent available to replace him as GM and Belichick as coach? No, he filled the vacancies with guys from his inner circle, like some kingpin giving out patronage jobs. Much of the wreckage we're looking at today is because of him.

[PMarsico9]

John Gruden.

If not, take Jerry Reese's assistant. That front office produces a stream of sick GM's, from Young to Accorsi to now Reese. Guys who draft Osi Umenyiora and you wonder wth they were thinking on draft night............

I like Jay Gruden as a head coach. But John Gruden if he'll take the over the whole operation.

NOT COWHER.

[kennyo7]

15 years pre Parcells we were 95-136-1 (.409) with only 4 winning seasons.

15 yrs since Parcells we are 140-114 (.551) with 10 winning seasons.


No comparison. Thank you Mr. Parcells

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet

JIMMY JOHNSON or Bill Cower for HC. Bill Polian for GM

I'd offer Jimmy Johnson a lucrative job as a draft consultant. NY is too cold for him, he is done with coaching but he could be a part-time GM/talent scout and maybe stop us from drafting the Ducasses and Kyle Wilsons. He could do the job sitting in his mansion in Florida.


Cowher is not coming here. Neither is Polian.

[BrowningNagle]

Wiould love Gruden or Cower but No established coach is coming anywhere near the Jets without a legit QB on its roster...say hello to the next Coslet, Carroll, Herm, MAngini, Rex.

[Kotch]

What about Mitt Romney as GM?

Things don't seem to be going to well for him in the polls, and come November he might be looking to return to the private sector.

He has the kind of management experience that our organization sorely needs, he's a close personal pal of Woody, and he has deep, deep sports experience having turned around the Olympic games.

Just sayin....

[Pragmatic Bus]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

15 years pre Parcells we were 95-136-1 (.409) with only 4 winning seasons.

15 yrs since Parcells we are 140-114 (.551) with 10 winning seasons.


No comparison. Thank you Mr. Parcells

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by CanadaSteve

Other than the two great drafts and one solid one he had. The guy was fired because of Gholston. If you look at that draft, they did everything to move up and couldn't. Gholston was drafted exactly where he was expected too.

All you Mangini was great talent evaluator:

QB Clemens, Schlegel, Eric Smith, TE Jason Pociask, Titus Adams, Jacob Bender, Ghost, Ainge, Marcus Henry and Nate Garner were all drafted during his 3 yrs.

[Dunnie]

Originally Posted by C Mart

All you Mangini was great talent evaluator:

QB Clemens, Schlegel, Eric Smith, TE Jason Pociask, Titus Adams, Jacob Bender, Ghost, Ainge, Marcus Henry and Nate Garner were all drafted during his 3 yrs.

Keller
Lowery
Revis
Harris
Ferguson
Mangold
B Smith
L Washington
D Coleman

Not bad

[Dreamers]

Originally Posted by JB1089

The game has passed Parcells by. He's responsible for the mess down in Miami.

Not true at all the team he started to built was dismantled. Irland was hired in 09 and by 2010, BP was not making any calls. He was just getting paid to do nothing. He had 3 good drafts in Miami and brought in some good talent. The fact they didn't build around it in 10, 11, or 12 is just a joke. They set themselves up for failure last year and that wasn't a horrid team. When he left they had a good D, and good OL, a great ST, and a nice run game. He actually turned them into a PO team before handing it over.

[Johnny Bravo]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

Bill Cowher as GM and HC.

If he wont take it then....

MANgini!!!
As GM and President of Footbal operations not coach.

(I admit im a Mangini homer, never thought he should have been fired)

Rex went to the AFC Championship two years in a row with Mangini's players. He has got rid of most of them and now we see the true Rex. He's just not a good head coach or talent evaluator.

[JB1089]

Originally Posted by Dreamers

Not true at all the team he started to built was dismantled. Irland was hired in 09 and by 2010, BP was not making any calls. He was just getting paid to do nothing. He had 3 good drafts in Miami and brought in some good talent. The fact they didn't build around it in 10, 11, or 12 is just a joke. They set themselves up for failure last year and that wasn't a horrid team. When he left they had a good D, and good OL, a great ST, and a nice run game. He actually turned them into a PO team before handing it over.

What are you talking about?


The first thing Parcells did when he came to the Dolphins was hire Ireland as the GM. Parcells was the Head of Football Operations. After Ireland, he hired Sparano to be the head coach.


Those are Parcells' guys. They continued to run the team according to his vision.

[Peebag]

Originally Posted by BroadwayRay

Yes, let's get Bill Parcells back after all he did for the Jets:

1. Cost us Peyton Manning as QB by refusing to guarantee to Archie Manning that we would take him with our top pick in 1998.

2. ****-canning Hugh Douglas in one of his first personnel moves as Jet czar. Douglas went on to become one of the NFL's best pass rushers.

3. Cost us Bill Belichick as HC of the NYJ because his ego wouldn't allow him to hand over the reigns of power after three years like he said he would.

4. Just before leaving, filled key roles with a bunch of his incompetent cronies: Al Groh as coach, Terry Bradway as GM and Mike Tannenbaum as assistant GM. The latter two remain a blight on the organization's personnel operation to this day.

5. Not to mention the high draft picks we had to give up to sign him in the first place.

this guy gets it.

[JetzIL]

Originally Posted by C Mart

All you Mangini was great talent evaluator:

QB Clemens, Schlegel, Eric Smith, TE Jason Pociask, Titus Adams, Jacob Bender, Ghost, Ainge, Marcus Henry and Nate Garner were all drafted during his 3 yrs.

There were misses for sure but those drafts were far better then under Rex