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Green Bandit · 10-04-2012, 03:01 AM

I'm probably going to get dumped for this, but if the opportunity presented itself, would you do a trade of Sanchez for Flynn ?

In my opinion it makes sense, because Sanchez has 2 years left on his Contract and Flynn has 3. Both have, off the top of my head, have 10 mil guaranteed. It gives Pete Carroll his College sweetheart and still a quality backup for cheaper, and it gives us an actual NFL QB.

So if Tanny pulls the trigger would you be for it?

Demosthenes9 · 10-04-2012, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Bandit

I'm probably going to get dumped for this, but if the opportunity presented itself, would you do a trade of Sanchez for Flynn ?

In my opinion it makes sense, because Sanchez has 2 years left on his Contract and Flynn has 3. Both have, off the top of my head, have 10 mil guaranteed. It gives Pete Carroll his College sweetheart and still a quality backup for cheaper, and it gives us an actual NFL QB.

So if Tanny pulls the trigger would you be for it?

I'm pretty sure that your numbers a waaaay off. Sanchez is at about $20 mil guaranteed over the next two years, not $10 mil.

Green Bandit · 10-04-2012, 03:26 AM

Just checked it out.

Matt Flynn has 10 mil guaranteed this year and the next 2 years while he can make up to 26 mil

Mark Sanchez has 11 mil guaranteed this year (which we already payed), 8.25 mil guaranteed next year, and nothing guaranteed for 2014-16.

So it still would work out for Seattle.

Demosthenes9 · 10-04-2012, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Bandit

Just checked it out.

Matt Flynn has 10 mil guaranteed this year and the next 2 years while he can make up to 26 mil

Mark Sanchez has 11 mil guaranteed this year "which we already payed", 8.25 mil guaranteed next year, and nothing guaranteed for 2014-16.

So it still would work out for Seattle.

When would this trade supposedly take place ?

Green Bandit · 10-04-2012, 03:34 AM

IF it happened, hopefully sooner rather than later. Idk I was trying to make a topic that was different from all the other "Fire (Insert Name Here)" threads.

The question was would you be for it IF it happened. Which it probably won't -_-

Demosthenes9 · 10-04-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Bandit

IF it happened, hopefully sooner rather than later. Idk I was trying to make a topic that was different from all the other "Fire (Insert Name Here)" threads.

The question was would you be for it IF it happened. Which it probably won't -_-

Reason I'm asking is that I seriously doubt that the Jets would eat Sanchez's money for the entire year if he was traded. The other team would have to absorb it. That gets back to the $20 mil guaranteed, though it would be prorated to some extent due to 1/4 of the season being gone. Have to factor that in when looking at it.

Additionally, don't trades impact salary cap the same way cutting a player does ? Wouldn't trading Sanchez result in a huge cap hit from dead money ?

crasherino · 10-04-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Reason I'm asking is that I seriously doubt that the Jets would eat Sanchez's money for the entire year if he was traded. The other team would have to absorb it. That gets back to the $20 mil guaranteed, though it would be prorated to some extent due to 1/4 of the season being gone. Have to factor that in when looking at it.

Additionally, don't trades impact salary cap the same way cutting a player does ? Wouldn't trading Sanchez result in a huge cap hit from dead money ?

No, a trade would accelerate any prorated money from a signing bonus, not guaranteed salaries. If he was traded and the jets didnt offer to pick up any of the guaranteed salary, the other team would be on the hook for the 2013 salary. In contrast, if the Jets ga e Sanchez a big signing bonus which was prorated over 2012 - 2014, the amounts allocated to 2014 would accelerate and hit the Jets cap next year (along with the 2013 cap hit) as dead money.

eaglenj · 10-04-2012, 07:33 AM

Flynn's contract is structured in a VERY team friendly way, while we owe $17 million to sanchez next year.

palmetto defender · 10-04-2012, 07:44 AM

So everybody else out there is stupid? Hicks in seattle just waiting to get fleeced by the NY geniuses?
Everybody out there has seen Sanchez. Overpriced. Undertalented. He might have had potential but it got misused.

srobjets · 10-04-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

Flynn's contract is structured in a VERY team friendly way, while we owe $17 million to sanchez next year.

Yeah, Tanny's a cap guru. My Ass!!!

Schadenfreude · 10-04-2012, 08:56 AM

Word is that Carroll is strongly looking at Flynn if Wilson's production doesn't improve. It might be true since Flynn got banged up in the preseason.

GreenWave · 10-04-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by palmetto defender

So everybody else out there is stupid? Hicks in seattle just waiting to get fleeced by the NY geniuses?
Everybody out there has seen Sanchez. Overpriced. Undertalented. He might have had potential but it got misused.

I love it when fans say "trade this terrible player" as if other teams in the league have no idea that the player is terrible.

It only worked with Wayne Hunter because the player we got in return was also terrible, so all we can expect in return for Sanchez is a QB that's near the bottom of the league in completion percentage and/or is poorly thought of by his own team.

JB1089 · 10-04-2012, 09:13 AM

Flynn signed a 3 year deal worth a maximum of $26M if he met a number of requirements. He received $10M in guarantees.

The base salaries for the next 3 years are 2M, 5.25M, and 6.25M. His signing bonus is pro-rated at 2M/yr for each of the 3 years, so he's got another $4M in guarantees somewhere in those 3 years.

This wouldn't be a feasible trade. Sanchez makes way more money than Flynn. Sanchez also has $7.1M of pro-rated bonus money that would accelerate onto this year's cap. No way any team wants to carry a backup with a $13M cap charge for a year. Then, even when he's cut after the 2013 season, you're still going to be carrying almost $5M in dead money for 2014. That's going to be OK for us, because it's a lot less than the $13M we'd be paying him otherwise, but Seattle can get out of using any of that cap space by simply not trading for him. There's no reason for them to make such a trade unless we were giving them draft picks.

rainman · 10-04-2012, 09:20 AM

yeah I think Sanchize is here through 2013.

lageman4ever · 10-04-2012, 10:47 AM

nice idea but it will (unfortunately) never happen

unchartedm0nkey · 10-04-2012, 10:49 AM

Why would Seattle want to back up a rookie with a guy who is in his fourth year and still plays like a rookie? Albeit it Flynn doesn't have extensive starting QB experience, but at least his contract is very team-friendly. Sanchez has nearly $20 million guaranteed between this season and next.

Snell41 · 10-04-2012, 10:57 AM

3 years ago was the time to look for a guy like Flynn. We were already pretty stacked at every position and a veteran QB with potential would have served us well. Now is the time to look to the daft. We stink in so many positions it's not even funny. We don't have a good RB. Our WR's are crap. Our LB's are crap. Our Safeties are both on 1 year contracts. Our OL consists of 2 inconsistent guys (Slauson and Howard) and one old guy (Moore). Our DL is getting mauled and run all over (maybe fixable). We have zero depth anywhere. Matt Flynn does not help at all.

Nike · 10-04-2012, 10:58 AM

flynn will have the same results here. without rbs wrs tes and blockers no one can be succesful here. this isnt really all sanchez fault.

SMC · 10-04-2012, 11:14 AM

Why do you want Flynn if he couldn't even beat out a rookie in preseason and was a big FA signing for the Seattle?

I don't get it. If Flynn was any good he shouldve been the starter day 1.

ASH_1962 · 10-04-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by palmetto defender

So everybody else out there is stupid? Hicks in seattle just waiting to get fleeced by the NY geniuses?
Everybody out there has seen Sanchez. Overpriced. Undertalented. He might have had potential but it got misused.

+1

10-04-2012, 03:01 AM	#1
Green Bandit is liking the moves Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 432	Matt Flynn ? I'm probably going to get dumped for this, but if the opportunity presented itself, would you do a trade of Sanchez for Flynn ? In my opinion it makes sense, because Sanchez has 2 years left on his Contract and Flynn has 3. Both have, off the top of my head, have 10 mil guaranteed. It gives Pete Carroll his College sweetheart and still a quality backup for cheaper, and it gives us an actual NFL QB. So if Tanny pulls the trigger would you be for it?

10-04-2012, 09:13 AM	#13
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,711	Flynn signed a 3 year deal worth a maximum of $26M if he met a number of requirements. He received $10M in guarantees. The base salaries for the next 3 years are 2M, 5.25M, and 6.25M. His signing bonus is pro-rated at 2M/yr for each of the 3 years, so he's got another $4M in guarantees somewhere in those 3 years. This wouldn't be a feasible trade. Sanchez makes way more money than Flynn. Sanchez also has $7.1M of pro-rated bonus money that would accelerate onto this year's cap. No way any team wants to carry a backup with a $13M cap charge for a year. Then, even when he's cut after the 2013 season, you're still going to be carrying almost $5M in dead money for 2014. That's going to be OK for us, because it's a lot less than the $13M we'd be paying him otherwise, but Seattle can get out of using any of that cap space by simply not trading for him. There's no reason for them to make such a trade unless we were giving them draft picks. Last edited by JB1089; 10-04-2012 at 09:23 AM.

10-04-2012, 03:26 AM	#3
Green Bandit is liking the moves Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 432	Just checked it out. Matt Flynn has 10 mil guaranteed this year and the next 2 years while he can make up to 26 mil Mark Sanchez has 11 mil guaranteed this year (which we already payed), 8.25 mil guaranteed next year, and nothing guaranteed for 2014-16. So it still would work out for Seattle.

10-04-2012, 03:34 AM	#5
Green Bandit is liking the moves Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 432	IF it happened, hopefully sooner rather than later. Idk I was trying to make a topic that was different from all the other "Fire (Insert Name Here)" threads. The question was would you be for it IF it happened. Which it probably won't -_-

10-04-2012, 07:33 AM	#8
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,842	Flynn's contract is structured in a VERY team friendly way, while we owe $17 million to sanchez next year.

10-04-2012, 07:44 AM	#9
palmetto defender All League Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,683	So everybody else out there is stupid? Hicks in seattle just waiting to get fleeced by the NY geniuses? Everybody out there has seen Sanchez. Overpriced. Undertalented. He might have had potential but it got misused.

10-04-2012, 08:56 AM	#11
Schadenfreude Practice Squad Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 335	Word is that Carroll is strongly looking at Flynn if Wilson's production doesn't improve. It might be true since Flynn got banged up in the preseason.

10-04-2012, 09:20 AM	#14
rainman Practice Squad Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 378	yeah I think Sanchize is here through 2013.

10-04-2012, 10:47 AM	#15
lageman4ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,153	nice idea but it will (unfortunately) never happen

10-04-2012, 10:49 AM	#16
unchartedm0nkey Veteran Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,253	Why would Seattle want to back up a rookie with a guy who is in his fourth year and still plays like a rookie? Albeit it Flynn doesn't have extensive starting QB experience, but at least his contract is very team-friendly. Sanchez has nearly $20 million guaranteed between this season and next.

10-04-2012, 10:57 AM	#17
Snell41 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,496	3 years ago was the time to look for a guy like Flynn. We were already pretty stacked at every position and a veteran QB with potential would have served us well. Now is the time to look to the daft. We stink in so many positions it's not even funny. We don't have a good RB. Our WR's are crap. Our LB's are crap. Our Safeties are both on 1 year contracts. Our OL consists of 2 inconsistent guys (Slauson and Howard) and one old guy (Moore). Our DL is getting mauled and run all over (maybe fixable). We have zero depth anywhere. Matt Flynn does not help at all.

10-04-2012, 10:58 AM	#18
Nike Fix it or sell it Woody! Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,386	flynn will have the same results here. without rbs wrs tes and blockers no one can be succesful here. this isnt really all sanchez fault.

10-04-2012, 11:14 AM	#19
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	Why do you want Flynn if he couldn't even beat out a rookie in preseason and was a big FA signing for the Seattle? I don't get it. If Flynn was any good he shouldve been the starter day 1.