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MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 07:48 PM

If he gets canned end of this season and you are Woody Johnson, would you go after Pioli for GM.

I would.

Kentucky Jet · 10-05-2012, 07:51 PM

Bill Polian or bust!

WestCoastOffensive · 10-05-2012, 07:52 PM

He goes by the name "Carlton" now. He's irreplaceable.

Scott Pioli sucks.

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 07:52 PM

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Bill Polian or bust!

another good choice.

Kentucky Jet · 10-05-2012, 07:54 PM

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another good choice.

and he is available right now!

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

He goes by the name "Carlton" now. He's irreplaceable.

Scott Pioli sucks.

I don't know man, he helped get us out of 2-14 and 1-15 seasons to an AFC championship game. Was part of building the Pats dynasty. I think he's got a raw deal in KC.

WestCoastOffensive · 10-05-2012, 07:56 PM

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and he is available right now!

Woody had him over to Florham Park. Polian almost seems too good to be true.

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 07:57 PM

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and he is available right now!

thats right - i forgot he helps ESPN now

WestCoastOffensive · 10-05-2012, 07:58 PM

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I don't know man, he helped get us out of 2-14 and 1-15 seasons to an AFC championship game. Was part of building the Pats dynasty. I think he's got a raw deal in KC.

Well, most pale in comparison to Polian.

JonEJet · 10-05-2012, 07:59 PM

Pioli built a solid team...unfortunately a GM is only as good as his QB

Sound familiar?

escamoter2 · 10-05-2012, 08:02 PM

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Pioli built a solid team...unfortunately a GM is only as good as his QB

Sound familiar?

I don't see the solid team. That team is pretty bad except for like 3 players. I don't know how Romeo is expected to win with that team.

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 08:03 PM

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Pioli built a solid team...unfortunately a GM is only as good as his QB

Sound familiar?

That does help.

Don't want to get into a QB debate and go down the path of the merits or lack of for Sanchez, but there are several teams that have won the big game with less than stellar QB's.

Mainejet · 10-05-2012, 08:04 PM

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If he gets canned end of this season and you are Woody Johnson, would you go after Pioli for GM.

I would.

I wouldn't. The guy is a fraud as far as I am concerned. He got VERY lucky with the Patsies. In KC however? His true colors are showing.

I think he's a bum.

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 08:05 PM

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I wouldn't. The guy is a fraud as far as I am concerned. He got VERY lucky with the Patsies. In KC however? His true colors are showing.

I think he's a bum.

then why did Parcells and Belly bring him everywhere?

escamoter2 · 10-05-2012, 08:24 PM

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then why did Parcells and Belly bring him everywhere?

Let's not act like Belichick knows what he's doing totally and his disciples are amazing. The guy wasn't that impressive as a head coach until Tom Brady and there have been head coaching failures by Belichick disciples so it doesn't mean much to stick with him everywhere. How did Mangini, McDaniels, and Saban (in the NFL) do, for example? When I watched A Football Life on the 95 Browns, I actually thought it was hilarious. How many of them were successful in the NFL? Ozzie Newsome, that's it basically, and Belichick said he knew he wanted Newsome with him in some capacity because he already had a good football IQ. Meanwhile, look at Bill Walsh disciples (Holmgren, Gruden, etc.) and even Parcells (Peyton, Belichick, Coughlin, etc.). Pioli is Parcells son-in-law now so it made sense later in his career that he would try and carry Pioli with him more so, but Pioli was originally a Belichick guy to my knowledge and that isn't great pedigree based on the evidence so far.

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 08:33 PM

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Let's not act like Belichick knows what he's doing totally and his disciples are amazing. The guy wasn't that impressive as a head coach until Tom Brady and there have been head coaching failures by Belichick disciples so it doesn't mean much to stick with him everywhere. How did Mangini, McDaniels, and Saban (in the NFL) do, for example? When I watched A Football Life on the 95 Browns, I actually thought it was hilarious. How many of them were successful in the NFL? Ozzie Newsome, that's it basically, and Belichick said he knew he wanted Newsome with him in some capacity because he already had a good football IQ. Meanwhile, look at Bill Walsh disciples (Holmgren, Gruden, etc.) and even Parcells (Peyton, Belichick, Coughlin, etc.). Pioli is Parcells son-in-law now so it made sense later in his career that he would try and carry Pioli with him more so, but Pioli was originally a Belichick guy to my knowledge and that isn't great pedigree based on the evidence so far.

My philosophy is that it takes a team to build a team.... meaning that its not the head coach alone, its not a GM alone - you need both. College is quite different - hence the success of Saban as a recruiter/coach.

escamoter2 · 10-05-2012, 08:36 PM

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My philosophy is that it takes a team to build a team.... meaning that its not the head coach alone, its not a GM alone - you need both. College is quite different - hence the success of Saban as a recruiter/coach.

it's not the head coach alone in college either; they aren't even doing most of the recruiting, the assistant coaches and recruiters are..then there's the under the table payments and promises in college from boosters

MysticalJet · 10-05-2012, 08:41 PM

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it's not the head coach alone in college either; they aren't even doing most of the recruiting, the assistant coaches and recruiters are..then there's the under the table payments and promises in college from boosters

Lets say above is true, then that indicates he is in fact a strong coach - if that in fact is his primary role in college.

Strong GM + Strong Coach = Superbowls

Have to be an exceptional coach to win without a strong GM.
Have no chance as a strong GM without a strong coach.

TheMikeIsHot · 10-05-2012, 09:18 PM

No thanks.

His record in KC is pretty suspect. He's probably better than Mike T, but A. that isn't saying much and B. he wouldn't be getting fired for outstanding performance.

I don't want anyone else's garbage.

Joe W. Namath · 10-05-2012, 09:19 PM

Scott Pioli has romeo crennel and matt cassel leading his team. And u want this guy here?

10-05-2012, 07:48 PM	#1
MysticalJet Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC in the Hizzy Posts: 902	Would you take Pioli? If he gets canned end of this season and you are Woody Johnson, would you go after Pioli for GM. I would.

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Kentucky Jet A NY JETS fan! Go Jets! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ormond Beach, Florida Posts: 10,880	Bill Polian or bust!

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WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,659	He goes by the name "Carlton" now. He's irreplaceable. Scott Pioli sucks.

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JonEJet Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 11,370	Pioli built a solid team...unfortunately a GM is only as good as his QB Sound familiar?

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TheMikeIsHot All Pro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,043	No thanks. His record in KC is pretty suspect. He's probably better than Mike T, but A. that isn't saying much and B. he wouldn't be getting fired for outstanding performance. I don't want anyone else's garbage.

10-05-2012, 09:19 PM	#20
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,826	Scott Pioli has romeo crennel and matt cassel leading his team. And u want this guy here?