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Old 10-06-2012, 08:12 AM   #41
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it's pretty obvious Mangini was calling the personnel shots from 2006-2008 while Tannenbaum counted the beans. Favre was the exception, Woody Johnson made that call.

Rex got by in 2009/10 from the Mangini era holdovers.

Now Rex and Tannenbaum are faced with the task of building their own roster and they are proving their ineptness.

We need a real GM.
Bill Polian is waiting for the call.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:27 AM   #42
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it's pretty obvious Mangini was calling the personnel shots from 2006-2008 while Tannenbaum counted the beans. Favre was the exception, Woody Johnson made that call.

Rex got by in 2009/10 from the Mangini era holdovers.

Now Rex and Tannenbaum are faced with the task of building their own roster and they are proving their ineptness.

We need a real GM.
Or maybe Rex and staff don't teach and develop players like Mangini....

Some info....this is a recording

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Top secret: Inside the Jets' war room


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-good-thoughts

New York Jets almost missed out on Shonn Greene because of GM Mike Tannenbaum

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010...adway-scouting


Jets Mix Serendipity With Study in Draft

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/sp...gewanted=print
http://www.newyorkjets.com/ms/media-...ff%20Bios.html

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Old 10-06-2012, 10:01 AM   #43
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Or maybe Rex and staff don't teach and develop players like Mangini....

Some info....this is a recording



http://www.newyorkjets.com/ms/media-...ff%20Bios.html
Why do you keep posting logical posts that make sense and are helpful????

Thank you...
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:38 AM   #44
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Why do you keep posting logical posts that make sense and are helpful????

Thank you...
Here's another that I've posted before that could explain why the running game (and Greene) blows this season..Greene has always run behind a zone blocking scheme (at Iowa too)

Jets looking to return to ground-and-pound roots under Tony Sparano


By Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger
Published: Sunday, August 05, 2012, 5:00 AM

CORTLAND, N.Y. — On the opening night of training camp, Tony Sparano delivered a clear edict to his offense: Let’s get physical.

Certain elements of the new offensive coordinator’s system might be shrouded in secrecy — see Tim Tebow’s role — but the Jets have been entirely transparent about reclaiming their ground-and-pound roots.

“We can lead this league in rushing again,” running backs coach Anthony Lynn said. “I have no question.”

Last year’s failed early-season experiment to enhance their air game left the Jets as the 22nd-best run offense in the NFL, far off coach Rex Ryan’s preferred formula. The Jets led the league in rushing in 2009, and ranked fourth in 2010, marks they’d like to match again — albeit in a different way.

After being a primarily zone-running team with Brian Schottenheimer and Bill Callahan, Sparano is putting a greater emphasis on gap-scheme plays. He wants the Jets to thrive as a power running team, with the offensive linemen knocking defenders off the ball and the running backs plowing straight ahead at a designated gap.

The Jets had great success as a zone-running team in the past, so Sparano has been careful not to discard that. All good running teams use elements of both zone and gap schemes. But the tell is — when it’s a crunch situation, what will the Jets dial up?

The answer, Sparano says, is the gap-scheme runs that put their physicality front and center.

“That’s what it is made for,” Shonn Greene, the designated “bell cow,” said.

“To be physical, downhill, hit your head on the goalpost.”

Zone runs ask the offensive linemen to move laterally, as the back reacts to the defense and chooses a crease among a few different reads.

Gap-scheme plays, on the other hand, rely on the linemen driving back defenders and creating vertical push up the field, while the back takes off toward a single spot.


There are benefits to both. But Sparano believes the gap-scheme plays best accompany his decree to be physical, by giving his linemen double teams at the point of attack and creating better angles and leverage against the defensive front. Zone plays, he explained, can sometimes isolate players in difficult one-on-one blocking situations.

Sparano, a former offensive line coach, said his plan has been to create a system that fits the personnel, both on the line and in the backfield.
Greene has fared well in zone schemes in college and his first three NFL seasons, but the 226-pound power back is no doubt well-suited for downhill, between-the tackles gap-scheme runs. Look for a lot of powers, counters and traps, Lynn said.

“Shonn can run through the smoke,” Sparano said, using a favorite expression of his. “He is a guy who can get square, and he can make a hole. And when it looks muddy in there, he can run through it and all of a sudden create 3, 4 yards going forward. He is built right for that style of football.”

Sparano has presented his plan for the run game to his players as a triangle, representing a hierarchy of the schemes they will use. True to form, he did not disclose how the triangle is organized. But he said gap-scheme plays account for the most significant slice.

Thursday night, after a week of training camp, Sparano showed the offense tape from that morning’s practice of a handful of perfectly executed plays.

He asked them to freeze a mental image of exactly how this system is supposed to look.

“They’re starting to figure out what it is that we’re becoming,” Sparano said.

Asked why the ground game will be more successful this year than last year, with largely the same personnel, Ryan pointed to both the run-first mentality and the different schematic emphasis.

Last Sunday, Ryan was elated after the offense repped 22 straight run plays in the morning practice, calling it “absolutely terrific.” But Sparano has been careful to develop a balanced unit, and by his count has served up a near-equal split of run and pass reps, with a slight advantage to run.

If the Jets returned to the 59-41 run-pass split of the 2009 season, when quarterback Mark Sanchez was a rookie, Ryan said any defensive-minded head coach would “love that.” But those numbers will play out week to week during the season.

As the Jets learned the hard way last year, training camp is the time to forge an identity, and Sparano’s vision is unambiguous.

“A lot more straight-hitting runs, coming off the ball and hitting them in the mouth pretty much,” fullback John Conner said. “We’re built for that.”

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201...n_to_grou.html
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:42 AM   #45
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When I look at a cheese grinder, an alligator's mouth, and a hole in an oak tree I think to myself one of them is a better fit for my dick than the others, but none of them are gonna be enjoyable.
Your dick fits in a cheese grater? I wouldn't go bragging on that.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:15 PM   #46
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Bean Counter, don't you get it. Besides people like Rah Rah, nobody believes a word you say anymore. Maybe it would be better for you to STFU.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:38 PM   #47
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Yeah, Kaye and the other dude didn't exactly challenge Bean Counter. Then again ESPN carries the Jets.
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