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SMC · 10-09-2012, 11:18 AM

I think the real problem is the LBs. The Dline as a whole has played well. They're standing up blockers and penetrating. Unfortunately, Harris has been awful and the rest are incredibly slow.

Bronxville Jets Fan · 10-09-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunnie

This guy gets it ... I have never seen a group as slow as this ... Ever.

Disagree. The year before Mo Lewis and Marvin Jones retired was the worst, but last night felt like we're reliving that season.

k.Rhodes25 · 10-09-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop24

Well there coaches are living and dying by them they play.. Rex acts like Devito is such a force Coples can't play over him..

Devito saw a lot of time at NT yesterday and he has looked pretty good this season...

Whenever I see Coples play for the most part hes getting pushed back, sometimes he breaks through.

But hes not on Chandler Jones or Bruce Irvin's level, those guys have shown they can play.

k.Rhodes25 · 10-09-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by adpz

Irvin for sure - Jones - oh yeah - his lone assisted tackle on Sunday was A m a z i n g!!

Coples was getting double and triple-teamed at points last night. He is making some plays and playing hard - definitely not the huge disappointment that people are making him out to be. Or did you expect that on a whole team playing poorly that he would have 8 sacks by now??

Its not all about stats... Watch Jones play, he has looked GREAT so far. Hes getting good pressure on the QB, he looks the part of a elite pass rusher.

Coples has been a huge disappointment, we needed a pass rusher and hes not it. Irvin and Jones would be playing OLB a huge position of need, they would have brought youth and speed there, helping one of the biggest issues on our team. but nope, Rex and company decided that Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace were fine...

k.Rhodes25 · 10-09-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Schadenfreude

And if you drafted Irvin, how do you know that he wouldn't end up another Maybin? He works for Seattle because their d-line is pretty good and allows him room to work.

When I watch the Hawks, he reminded me of Clay Matthews. But the JEts don't want young fast athletic LBs, they want old slow ones.. They like giving QBs all day to throw.

Beerfish · 10-09-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

Its not all about stats... Watch Jones play, he has looked GREAT so far. Hes getting good pressure on the QB, he looks the part of a elite pass rusher.

Coples has been a huge disappointment, we needed a pass rusher and hes not it. Irvin and Jones would be playing OLB a huge position of need, they would have brought youth and speed there, helping one of the biggest issues on our team. but nope, Rex and company decided that Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace were fine...

I think coples could be a good pAss rusher but we have to play a 4-3 all the time and get him on the field for all downs. a little tip for Rex, other teams actually pass on 1st down a fair bit.

KR · 10-09-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by barkus

I'm starting to worry about this guy. He played a ton last night and had minimal impact. He looked like a JAG out there

Love the Jet Fan base.

Give Mark Sanchez 5 years of poor play and still think hes great.

Give anyone else on the team 5 games and they are a bust.

patman · 10-09-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

I think coples could be a good pAss rusher but we have to play a 4-3 all the time and get him on the field for all downs. a little tip for Rex, other teams actually pass on 1st down a fair bit.

Same here and I think Rex will transition to a 4-3. IMO both Coples and Davis are 4-3 backers.

MCBNY · 10-09-2012, 03:39 PM

As one wise poster once said...

Another Tanny BustTM

sec.101row23 · 10-09-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

I think coples could be a good pAss rusher but we have to play a 4-3 all the time and get him on the field for all downs. a little tip for Rex, other teams actually pass on 1st down a fair bit.

Why do the Jets have to play a 4-3 for Coples to be an effective pass rusher? J.J. Watt plays DE in a 3-4 and is as disruptive as anyone.

CanadaSteve · 10-09-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

They are double and triple teaming coples? Really - where exactly do you get your information.

You guys ripping wilkerson should probably go watch the NFL.com video from last night. Seeing the texans run away from wilkerson and him play a huge role in the short yardage stop we had late in the game.

Maybe you should watch some of the game over....just sayin.

And for the record, I wanted the team to pick Melvin Ingram....

Beerfish · 10-09-2012, 03:47 PM

I don't know why they don't actually put him at olb right now. Sure hes two inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than the incumbents but he can't possibly be any worse in coverage, would provided some athletic ability on the outisde and possibly a better chance to rush the passer.

Rex and the Jets made a big deal of working him out at olb on during his pro day/private work out day.

eaglenj · 10-09-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaSteve

Maybe you should watch some of the game over....just sayin.

And for the record, I wanted the team to pick Melvin Ingram....

Sweet, fact based response.

Let me know which play the texans or any other team we have played this season, had a designed triple team put on coples.

Snell41 · 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

You think wilkerson is the problem? Based on what exactly?

Coples is extremely fast off the ball, and it is mind boggling why he isnt playing any more. On one play last night he was in the backfield in a second and the play happened to go away from him.

Oh I agree with him. I honestly expected a blowout last night so I went in determined to watch our DL, specifically Wilk and Coples. Wilk is constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY out of position on the field. I can tell you most of Foster's big runs were directly towards Wilk and he was either getting easily pushed out of the way or jumping into a hole and penetrating where he clearly went into the LB's assigned hole. he seems like he constantly wants to be the one to make the tackle and takes risks to do so. He also just sticks his arm out way too often instead of shedding a block when he does stay home and have a chance. He was alarmingly bad.

eaglenj · 10-09-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Snell41

Oh I agree with him. I honestly expected a blowout last night so I went in determined to watch our DL, specifically Wilk and Coples. Wilk is constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY out of position on the field. I can tell you most of Foster's big runs were directly towards Wilk and he was either getting easily pushed out of the way or jumping into a hole and penetrating where he clearly went into the LB's assigned hole. he seems like he constantly wants to be the one to make the tackle and takes risks to do so. He also just sticks his arm out way too often instead of shedding a block when he does stay home and have a chance. He was alarmingly bad.

What do you mean out of position? Do you mean he isnt keeping gap responsibility or holding his edge?

My understanding of Rex's version of the 3-4 is that there is a NT (ellis), DT (devito) and DE (Wilk). The NT and DT are tasked with controlling the interior of the line while the DE is expected to try to knife into the backfield to make a play.

I dont know how wilk penetrating into the backfield is a bad thing....and im also curious why you think the LB has an "assigned hole". Isnt it the job of the DLine to occupy blockers and get into the backfield, and the LBs make the plays based off that. If it is a designed blitz, then an LB has an assigned hole but in a base run formation, the LBs need to go to the ball, not a specific hole.

Not being argumentative, just curious where you are coming from with a couple of these views.

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

Sweet, fact based response.

Let me know which play the texans or any other team we have played this season, had a designed triple team put on coples.

He was definitely double teamed at least once last night, and on that play another back or linemen also came in to block him.

eaglenj · 10-09-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

He was definitely double teamed at least once last night, and on that play another back or linemen also came in to block him.

How many other rushers did we have on the play?

Us rushing 3 guys and the texans leave a back in, giving them a numbers advantage is very different from a demarcus ware situation where you put a TE, next to the OT and keep a back on that side. Thats a triple team.

If we rushed 2 guys and they doubled one, are you saying the other player warranted a quadruple team?

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

How many other rushers did we have on the play?

Us rushing 3 guys and the texans leave a back in, giving them a numbers advantage is very different from a demarcus ware situation where you put a TE, next to the OT and keep a back on that side. Thats a triple team.

If we rushed 2 guys and they doubled one, are you saying the other player warranted a quadruple team?

I would have to go back and watch the specific play, something I am not going to do

I generally agree with you in this thread though.

jetsfan920 · 10-09-2012, 04:14 PM

He was over pursing way too much. Foster took him out of his shoes.

eaglenj · 10-09-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

I would have to go back and watch the specific play, something I am not going to do

I generally agree with you in this thread though.

Fair enough.

Maybe the turnonthejets site will have some good stuff on the Dline this week.

10-09-2012, 11:18 AM	#41
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	I think the real problem is the LBs. The Dline as a whole has played well. They're standing up blockers and penetrating. Unfortunately, Harris has been awful and the rest are incredibly slow.

10-09-2012, 03:39 PM	#49
MCBNY Token Liberal All League Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,973	As one wise poster once said... Another Tanny BustTM

10-09-2012, 03:47 PM	#52
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,088	I don't know why they don't actually put him at olb right now. Sure hes two inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than the incumbents but he can't possibly be any worse in coverage, would provided some athletic ability on the outisde and possibly a better chance to rush the passer. Rex and the Jets made a big deal of working him out at olb on during his pro day/private work out day.

10-09-2012, 04:14 PM	#59
jetsfan920 Lets Get It Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,606	He was over pursing way too much. Foster took him out of his shoes.