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Manchez · 10-09-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

And who's fault was his duck to Cromartie? Cromartie had his man beat by two steps for a touchdown and Sanchez barely gives him a chance to make the catch. Brutal throw that cost the Jets points.

Was Sanchez completely awful and the sole reason why the Jets lost? No.
Shonn Greene and David Harris were terrible again for example.

But with just slightly above average QB play the jets probably would have won despite their other flaws.

A good day for our top 5 pick in his 4th year is when he can't be blamed solely for a loss.

That pretty much says it all. The bar has been set incredibly low. 4 straight games of a completion percentage under 50%, multiple turnovers in scoring position, and leading the league in off-target throws is ridiculous.

Say what you want about the talent around him (it is bad) but even calling Sanchez mediocre at this point would be severely overrating him.

I never said that was a great throw to Cro, but guess what, an NFL receiver still should catch that ball with his feet in bounds. Unfortunately Sanchez was throwing to an F'ing DB because WE HAVE 3RD STRING AND PRACTICE SQUAD WR'S STARTING!!!!!!!!

Mario Manningham made the exact same catch on the opposite side of the field with 2 dbs drapped over him in the Super Bowl....

Off target throws are also a loaded stat when you're working with receivers that are not running the routes that the QB expects them to be running. Is that the reason why all of his off-target throws are missing? No, but it is a contributing factor.

The real problem I see goes farther than just the "Sanchez Sucks!!!!" narrative that many are pushing on this site and in the press in general. Nothing is taken into consideration except there was an incomplete pass or an INT.

Sanchez is not an elite QB or a HOF QB like Brady so expecting him to thrive with 3rd stringers and practice squad players inserted into starting WR roles, and a 31st ranked running game is GD ludicrous

Kentucky Jet · 10-09-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeakejet

So Sanchez is responsible for tipped balls and dropped passes now? Unbelievable.

when he throws it very high and receivers have to jump to get near the ball so the answer is YES.

Klecko said any DE can read Sanchez' eyes and knw wherehe is going to throw the ball. he still locks on to a receiver! It resulted in 3 tipped passes last night!

His accuracy sucks and causes receivers to wind up in awarkward positions and in danger of getting creamed! Just sayin"...

Kentucky Jet · 10-09-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Manchez

I never said that was a great throw to Cro, but guess what, an NFL receiver still should catch that ball with his feet in bounds. Unfortunately Sanchez was throwing to an F'ing DB because WE HAVE 3RD STRING AND PRACTICE SQUAD WR'S STARTING!!!!!!!!

Mario Manningham made the exact same catch on the opposite side of the field with 2 dbs drapped over him in the Super Bowl....

Off target throws are also a loaded stat when you're working with receivers that are not running the routes that the QB expects them to be running. Is that the reason why all of his off-target throws are missing? No, but it is a contributing factor.

The real problem I see goes farther than just the "Sanchez Sucks!!!!" narrative that many are pushing on this site and in the press in general. Nothing is taken into consideration except there was an incomplete pass or an INT.

Sanchez is not an elite QB or a HOF QB like Brady so expecting him to thrive with 3rd stringers and practice squad players inserted into starting WR roles, and a 31st ranked running game is GD ludicrous

The only thing that you said correctly is that sanchez is not an elite QB. I will go you one better! At this time he is a quality backup!

Manchez · 10-09-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet

The only thing that you said correctly is that sanchez is not an elite QB. I will go you one better! At this time he is a quality backup!

If that's all you think is correct you're not watching objectively or you simply know nothing about how football games work. Strictly judging by your posts, I'd say it's the latter.

GreenWave · 10-09-2012, 04:22 PM

I voted B, just because I think he should get one last shot with a healthy Keller and Hill. Plus, I want the team to know that they gave him every chance to right the ship before he hits the pine for the rest of his career.

GreenWave · 10-09-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Manchez

I never said that was a great throw to Cro, but guess what, an NFL receiver still should catch that ball with his feet in bounds. Unfortunately Sanchez was throwing to an F'ing DB because WE HAVE 3RD STRING AND PRACTICE SQUAD WR'S STARTING!!!!!!!!

Mario Manningham made the exact same catch on the opposite side of the field with 2 dbs drapped over him in the Super Bowl....

Off target throws are also a loaded stat when you're working with receivers that are not running the routes that the QB expects them to be running. Is that the reason why all of his off-target throws are missing? No, but it is a contributing factor.

The real problem I see goes farther than just the "Sanchez Sucks!!!!" narrative that many are pushing on this site and in the press in general. Nothing is taken into consideration except there was an incomplete pass or an INT.

Sanchez is not an elite QB or a HOF QB like Brady so expecting him to thrive with 3rd stringers and practice squad players inserted into starting WR roles, and a 31st ranked running game is GD ludicrous

All Mark Sanchez needs to be successful is a top-5 running game, an elite pass blocking OL, two #1 receivers, a beast at TE, a top-5 defense, and Bill Walsh on the sideline.

We should be more patient.

Dreaming Daddy · 10-09-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenWave

All Mark Sanchez needs to be successful is a top-5 running game, an elite pass blocking OL, two #1 receivers, a beast at TE, a top-5 defense, and Bill Walsh on the sideline.

We should be more patient.

ROFLMAO...you are being sarcastic right?

What QB wouldn't be successful with that?

GreenWave · 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreaming Daddy

ROFLMAO...you are being sarcastic right?

What QB wouldn't be successful with that?

Thought the Bill Walsh reference would have given it away.

rainman · 10-09-2012, 04:38 PM

play him until the Jets are done (3-6, 4-7 or so)

Dreaming Daddy · 10-09-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenWave

Thought the Bill Walsh reference would have given it away.

Just checking. With all the Sanchez apologists going on I was getting shell shocked.

Manchez · 10-09-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenWave

All Mark Sanchez needs to be successful is a top-5 running game, an elite pass blocking OL, two #1 receivers, a beast at TE, a top-5 defense, and Bill Walsh on the sideline.

We should be more patient.

That's not even close to what I said is it?

Think he might be a little better with at least real #1, #2, #3 NFL receivers and a starting caliber TE instead of 3rd string and practice squad receivers?

How about even just a middle of the pack running game?

Right now the Jets are #31 in rushing I think. 69 yards rushing last night total is more pathetic than what Sanchez did. Think if we could get into 2nd and short or 3rd and short routinely instead of 2nd and 10/ 3rd and 10 it might be easier sledding?

Did he put up 34 points the last time he had real starters playing on offense with him? Yeah he did...

parafly · 10-09-2012, 04:42 PM

Bench Sanchez and give McElroy a shot.

There is nothing Sanchez is going to show us that we haven't already seen in the past 3+ years. He's not good enough, and it's time to move on.

I want nothing to do with Tebow. I prefer a traditional NFL offense, not an offense designed around a player who belongs in a totally different era of football.

McElroy is most likely a JAG with a weak arm. We need to evaluate whether or not he can be the long term back up here, and who knows, if he comes in and surprises people, he'll be good trade bait during our inevitable rebuild.

rainman · 10-09-2012, 04:46 PM

what does JAG mean?

Manchez · 10-09-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rainman

what does JAG mean?

Just Another Guy or Just an Average Guy

chesapeakejet · 10-09-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreaming Daddy

ROFLMAO...you are being sarcastic right?

What QB wouldn't be successful with that?

Rick Mirer

JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF · 10-09-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Borgoguy

Sanchez and Tebow are JAGs. Give McElroy a shot to see if he has any skills at all. If he doesn't, then boot all three out the door at season's end. Enough of these wankers.

That's exactly how it should be played. McElroy for the rest of the season; maybe we'll get a little Chad Jr. action out of him. Tebow was a luxury trade. Hey maybe we'd have a faster LB if we hit on the #4 pick burned to acquire him?

The Jets first 2 QBs on their depth chart probably have the worst accuracy of any pro QBs in history. I knew it would all collapse if the D slipped a notch. In fact on the final drive last night with 3 + minutes remaining I found myself in a strange, almost bored, even relaxed mood as I told myself that a snowball had a better chance in hell than the Jets have of Sanchez leading a winning drive.

I've been watching the Jets since I was a little kid in 1972, and I think this is the first time I wasn't amped up to watch a Final Drive. Jet management has ruined football for me again with their business tilted rather than football decisions.

I wanted Sanchez to be great, but if not for a FG kicker in Miami he is 1-7 in his last 8 games along with being the lowest rated passer in the league, he should be out, seen enough. Thank you, Tannenbaum...what is he handing you half his salary under the table next year?

jetstream23 · 10-09-2012, 04:53 PM

Start Tebow at RB.

GreenWave · 10-09-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Manchez

That's not even close to what I said is it?

Think he might be a little better with at least real #1, #2, #3 NFL receivers and a starting caliber TE instead of 3rd string and practice squad receivers?

How about even just a middle of the pack running game?

Right now the Jets are #31 in rushing I think. 69 yards rushing last night total is more pathetic than what Sanchez did. Think if we could get into 2nd and short or 3rd and short routinely instead of 2nd and 10/ 3rd and 10 it might be easier sledding?

Did he put up 34 points the last time he had real starters playing on offense with him? Yeah he did...

I guess I just don't see how an improved running attack helps Sanchez hit Santonio Holmes wide open in the end zone against the Steelers. Or how an improved running game helps him throw a better pass to a wide open Schilens in the Dolphins game. Or how the running game impacts his inability to hit a wide open Cromartie last night.

He can not be counted on to throw an accurate pass when a receiver is wide open. In what world is that acceptable for an NFL QB?

Yes, the talent on this team sucks. But I'm not evaluating Sanchez on his ability to find somebody open when he's got benchwarmers running routes. I'm evaluating him on his ability to throw the ball from A to B when a receiver is open. And he does not do that well.

Cumberland should have caught the ball last night that ended up in an interception. But is there a reason why that ball couldn't hit him in the chest? You know, where it's easier to catch and can't be tipped up in the air?

SlickBri481 · 10-09-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rainman

what does JAG mean?

"Shonn Greene"

chesapeakejet · 10-09-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickBri481

"Shonn Greene"

Boy ain't that the truth. Talk about a flash in the pan. Geez.

View Poll Results: If you were Head Coach, what would YOU do with Mark Sanchez now?
Start Him for the Rest of the Season, Period.	50	32.26%
Start Him for another few games (2+ at least) see how he does. Replace only if horrible.	45	29.03%
Start him ONE more game, sink or swim. Replace if we lose or he plays badly.	16	10.32%
Bench Him, Start Tebow Going Forward (McElroy if Tebow Fails)	21	13.55%
Bench Him, Start McElroy Goign Forward (Tebow if McElroy Fails)	23	14.84%
Voters: 155. You may not vote on this poll

10-09-2012, 04:42 PM	#52
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,315	Bench Sanchez and give McElroy a shot. There is nothing Sanchez is going to show us that we haven't already seen in the past 3+ years. He's not good enough, and it's time to move on. I want nothing to do with Tebow. I prefer a traditional NFL offense, not an offense designed around a player who belongs in a totally different era of football. McElroy is most likely a JAG with a weak arm. We need to evaluate whether or not he can be the long term back up here, and who knows, if he comes in and surprises people, he'll be good trade bait during our inevitable rebuild. Last edited by parafly; 10-09-2012 at 04:45 PM.

10-09-2012, 04:22 PM	#45
GreenWave Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,466	I voted B, just because I think he should get one last shot with a healthy Keller and Hill. Plus, I want the team to know that they gave him every chance to right the ship before he hits the pine for the rest of his career.

10-09-2012, 04:38 PM	#49
rainman Practice Squad Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 378	play him until the Jets are done (3-6, 4-7 or so)

10-09-2012, 04:46 PM	#53
rainman Practice Squad Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 378	what does JAG mean?

10-09-2012, 04:53 PM	#57
jetstream23 recovering from turf toe Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (New Jets Stadium Section 246) Posts: 31,711	Start Tebow at RB.