So Matthew Stafford stinks...

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by heymangold

lets compare... stafford has the best WR in the game to throw to, and sanchez has... jason hill?

Can't people see what you are saying....This is a joke!!!!

[JB1089]

Originally Posted by SlickBri481

Stafford is having a terrible year. But he's still a better, more talented player than Sanchez. Lions have set up their offense around him, while the Jets do everything possible to minimize Sanchez's involvement in theirs.

The Lions decided Stafford was going to be the offense before they ever knew how good he was.

Pass attempts during his rookie year:

37
30
36
36
33
42
51
43
43
26 (injured during the game, missed the rest of the year)

Stafford threw more passes in those 10 games than Sanchez did all year. He threw 5 INTs in one game. The next game he threw 51 passes.

They were getting blown out on a regular basis, they went 2-8. Stafford threw 20 picks in those 10 games. He only managed 6.0 ypa and a 53.3% completion rate. They never stopped throwing the ball. They never tried to scale things down. The only priority was developing Stafford. It's the same approach that the Colts are taking with Luck, pass attempts: 45, 31, 46, 55, 44. Completing 53.4% of his passes for 6.7 ypa. And he's going to keep throwing it, all year long.

We were never going to do that with Sanchez, never. That wasn't the kind of offense we planned on having and it's not the kind of offense that Rex Ryan wanted. We were trying to win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB, and didn't want to let him throw away game after game in exchange for accelerating the learning curve. We decided to stunt the growth of our QB in exchange for wins.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by JB1089

The Lions decided Stafford was going to be the offense before they ever knew how good he was.

Pass attempts during his rookie year:

37
30
36
36
33
42
51
43
43
26 (injured during the game, missed the rest of the year)

Stafford threw more passes in those 10 games than Sanchez did all year. He threw 5 INTs in one game. The next game he threw 51 passes.

They were getting blown out on a regular basis, they went 2-8. Stafford threw 20 picks in those 10 games. He only managed 6.0 ypa and a 53.3% completion rate. They never stopped throwing the ball. They never tried to scale things down. The only priority was developing Stafford. It's the same approach that the Colts are taking with Luck, pass attempts: 45, 31, 46, 55, 44. Completing 53.4% of his passes for 6.7 ypa. And he's going to keep throwing it, all year long.

We were never going to do that with Sanchez, never. That wasn't the kind of offense we planned on having and it's not the kind of offense that Rex Ryan wanted. We were trying to win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB, and didn't want to let him throw away game after game in exchange for accelerating the learning curve. We decided to stunt the growth of our QB in exchange for wins.

[KR]

Originally Posted by JB1089

The Lions decided Stafford was going to be the offense before they ever knew how good he was.

Pass attempts during his rookie year:

37
30
36
36
33
42
51
43
43
26 (injured during the game, missed the rest of the year)

Stafford threw more passes in those 10 games than Sanchez did all year. He threw 5 INTs in one game. The next game he threw 51 passes.

They were getting blown out on a regular basis, they went 2-8. Stafford threw 20 picks in those 10 games. He only managed 6.0 ypa and a 53.3% completion rate. They never stopped throwing the ball. They never tried to scale things down. The only priority was developing Stafford. It's the same approach that the Colts are taking with Luck, pass attempts: 45, 31, 46, 55, 44. Completing 53.4% of his passes for 6.7 ypa. And he's going to keep throwing it, all year long.

We were never going to do that with Sanchez, never. That wasn't the kind of offense we planned on having and it's not the kind of offense that Rex Ryan wanted. We were trying to win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB, and didn't want to let him throw away game after game in exchange for accelerating the learning curve. We decided to stunt the growth of our QB in exchange for wins.

Since when is forcing your QB to throw 40-50 times a game good logic in developing a QB? Since when does this make your QB good? Please provide examples. Stafford dealt with two years of injuries because of those types of games.

Im going to start compiling a list on the shoulda, woulda, coulda crazy logic you guys come up with for Mark Sanchez sucking. We could make a Calendar with one post a day.

Giving Mark Sanchez a top 5 running game, and top 5 defense his first two years was really a stupid idea. If only we made him throw it 30-50 times a game he would be a much better QB right now.

[SlickBri481]

Originally Posted by JB1089

The Lions decided Stafford was going to be the offense before they ever knew how good he was.

Pass attempts during his rookie year:

37
30
36
36
33
42
51
43
43
26 (injured during the game, missed the rest of the year)

Stafford threw more passes in those 10 games than Sanchez did all year. He threw 5 INTs in one game. The next game he threw 51 passes.

They were getting blown out on a regular basis, they went 2-8. Stafford threw 20 picks in those 10 games. He only managed 6.0 ypa and a 53.3% completion rate. They never stopped throwing the ball. They never tried to scale things down. The only priority was developing Stafford. It's the same approach that the Colts are taking with Luck, pass attempts: 45, 31, 46, 55, 44. Completing 53.4% of his passes for 6.7 ypa. And he's going to keep throwing it, all year long.

We were never going to do that with Sanchez, never. That wasn't the kind of offense we planned on having and it's not the kind of offense that Rex Ryan wanted. We were trying to win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB, and didn't want to let him throw away game after game in exchange for accelerating the learning curve. We decided to stunt the growth of our QB in exchange for wins.

Stafford and Luck were thrown into typical rookie QB situations though, getting drafted by a god-awful team that has little else and must immediately rely on the new QB as the savior. Sanchez went to a 9 win team that probably had 12 win talent (but was undone by Favre's meltdown the year before). He had a support system in place already for success. A good comparison is Russell Wilson this season. He went to a team with a good D and strong running game. Up until yesterday, he had not been asked to do much.

I wonder which approach is better. Because Sanchez got to taste playoff games and success very early, something that is simply not possible for guys like Stafford and Luck who were thrown into horrible situations. You would think that playoff experience would have accelerated growth but not the case. Maybe a young QB does need to be thrown into the fire and have the team built around him if you want him to develop.

[FMJets]

I would not be surprise if the Colts draft offensive players in their first three picks. This is how you win in todays NFL. Score, score, and more scoring, and see if the other team can keep up. Unfortunately for Mark it was the other way around.

[JetsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515

M. Stafford 6/18 91yds 1int 27.8 rating

He also has a problem staying on the field, as he is often injured.

[JetsNeedNewton]

Was that a final set of stats? He got me 31.5 points in a PPR league which is damn good.

[ListerFiend]

Originally Posted by JB1089

The Lions decided Stafford was going to be the offense before they ever knew how good he was.

Pass attempts during his rookie year:

37
30
36
36
33
42
51
43
43
26 (injured during the game, missed the rest of the year)

Stafford threw more passes in those 10 games than Sanchez did all year. He threw 5 INTs in one game. The next game he threw 51 passes.

They were getting blown out on a regular basis, they went 2-8. Stafford threw 20 picks in those 10 games. He only managed 6.0 ypa and a 53.3% completion rate. They never stopped throwing the ball. They never tried to scale things down. The only priority was developing Stafford. It's the same approach that the Colts are taking with Luck, pass attempts: 45, 31, 46, 55, 44. Completing 53.4% of his passes for 6.7 ypa. And he's going to keep throwing it, all year long.

We were never going to do that with Sanchez, never. That wasn't the kind of offense we planned on having and it's not the kind of offense that Rex Ryan wanted. We were trying to win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB, and didn't want to let him throw away game after game in exchange for accelerating the learning curve. We decided to stunt the growth of our QB in exchange for wins.

They also had Kevin smith, Maurice morris, and Aaron brown as their RBs....


Would you rather chuck it up to megatron or hand it off to kevin smith (who as their starting RB the year before had less than 1000 yards rushing). In 09' the detroit run game was a joke, with Smith leading the charge, running for a killer 3.4 YPC for 747 yards on the year.

Their running game was about as sad as the Colts running game is this year.

Meanwhile megatron had 1300+ yards with Dan Orlovsky (7gs), Daunte Culpepper (5gs), and Jon Kitna (4gs) throwing him the ball...

There is a reason these teams make their rookie QBs throw the ball as much as they have: THEY HAVE NO RUNNING GAME. They have to run the ball.

Why would we make our rookie sling it, when we had the #1 run game in the league? That would be the dumbest thing we could do...


C'mon, this argument is absurdly flawed in that respect.


On the contrary, I do agree with the fact that we did stunt the growth of our QB. However, I do not believe it was not by letting him sling it his rookie year... It was by surrounding him with turds at every position on offense in the years following his rookie campaign.

[Apache 51]

The Lions suck year in, year out.

[detjetsfan]

Been saying for years Stafford is way overrated. Take away Megatron and he's done.

Sanchez and Freeman are both better qbs coming out of that draft.

[10PennyToColes87]

Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Been saying for years Stafford is way overrated. Take away Megatron and he's done.

Sanchez and Freeman are both better qbs coming out of that draft.

Stafford has no worthwhile running game and a leaky offensive line (sound familiar?). He's a VERY good QB, and I'd take him over both Sanchez and Freeman. You don't throw for 5,000 yards by accident.

[Vinny Testaverde's Niece]

Originally Posted by KR

Since when is forcing your QB to throw 40-50 times a game good logic in developing a QB? Since when does this make your QB good?

You're right. Much better to let the QB hand off to a RB or sit on the sidelines watching, that's the best way to learn football.

Please provide examples. Stafford dealt with two years of injuries because of those types of games.
:

In addition to those already mentioned - Eli Manning

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by 10PennyToColes87

Stafford has no worthwhile running game and a leaky offensive line (sound familiar?). He's a VERY good QB, and I'd take him over both Sanchez and Freeman. You don't throw for 5,000 yards by accident.

Amazing how the man pudding for this clown Stafford is ever-flowing on JI even when he's being exposed.

Give Sanchez and Freeman Megatron and a spread offense and they throw for 5,000 yards too.