Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist

[isired]

Originally Posted by Warfish

So in your opinion, showing a photo ID is equivalent to being RFID tagged by the Federal Government?

It amazes me, tbh, how reasonable, intelligent people can suddenly become raving lunatics when it suits them politically.

"ID Please", once a routine and basic validation of identity or qualification, now akin to Nazi's asking you if you want o wear a red cap or a yellow cap to your forthcoming "shower".

It makes debate, real debate, impossible frankly. When even the idea of a basic ID check, literally THE most basic form of validation of identity available, is viewed as a racist evil nazi conspiracy to stop black people from voting....

You say "thats one".

I say we have no idea how many it is, because we not even doing basic checking.

Lets meet in the middle, and do a whole election with 100% ID Checks. If attempted voter fraud is small enough, under 1%, maybe I could see your side.

If we never check, we'll never know. And I am amazed anyone could be ok with not knowing such an important thing as this.

I don't equate them at all - one solves the problem, or at least puts such a hurdle up that you can all but guarantee that the incidents of fraud would be effectively zero. The other doesn't. Seriously, when we're trying to stop terrorists from boarding a plane, news journalists get past trained security with fake ID, you think Ed and Myrtle Costello from down the road are going to stop fraud by checking ID if it is as rampant as you suppose?

You're on. One election - if it's even .1%, I'll get SAR's wife and Palmetto to cover the RFID implants. :p

But whatever the number, I bet it's null and void, basically equal parts for both sides.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by isired

But whatever the number, I bet it's null and void, basically equal parts for both sides.

I guarantee you that you're wrong.

Shame we'll never know.

Shame my vote truly is worthless, because we get A or B only, and even then, there is no real system to ensure only legal votes are cast. Democracy in America, it's ****ing joke frankly.

[isired]

Originally Posted by Warfish

I guarantee you that you're wrong.

Shame we'll never know.

Shame my vote truly is worthless, because we get A or B only, and even then, there is no real system to ensure only legal votes are cast. Democracy in America, it's ****ing joke frankly.

I guarantee that I'm not. See how that works?

I'm add frustrated add anyone about the quality of candidates for Pres. (and many other major elections), but I think that 'fixing' voter fraud wouldn't change that, or the outcome of any of the national elections, and is more of a distraction than anything aimed at getting conservative voters out - just add voter suppression is used to get the libs out. which is fine, I guess. The true crime, IMO, is that so few people actually vote.

Last time we discussed this, I never did hear what the issue was with the inked finger, did I? Lower tech than RFID, to be sure, but super-effective.

[piney]

Originally Posted by JetPotato

Don't be stupid. I had no way of knowing how the fraudulent voters cast their ballots.

But as I have stated multiple times here before, I have seen deceased registered voters arrive and enter the booth. Multiple times. I have been threatened with legal action for even daring to even say something about it. I have witnessed other workers being physically threatened. I have witnessed police and other officials who can do nothing about it. I will tell you one thing however, the other workers there who scold those of us bothered by obvious fraud and who have told me to "keep my mouth shut or else" do represent one particular political party.

Mock away, but until you've done it, until you've walked in my shoes, perhaps you are the one who should be keeping the mouth shut. You know nothing, other than what you want to believe.

Lighten up Francis. I made a sarcastic comment. You want my true opinion. I don't believe you Internet tough guy. Not one bit.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by isired

I guarantee that I'm not. See how that works?

10% of the population would steal anything not bolted down and lie to your face while doing it, but I'm supposed to expect something as passion-inducing as voting is the only aspect of life where 10% of society won't cheat or lie for what they want? We have 20 MILLION+ illegal immigrants living their life breaking the Law every day simply being here, and we're supposed to believe these folks draw the line at illegal voting, especially voting for someone who might make their other illegallity legal?

Again, I can't have a serious conversation on this issue with someone who thinks the act of checking a photo ID is too much a burden, is racist and is too much cost to bear.

Agree to disagree and be done with it, and be glad your side, the side that favors no meaningful verification of any kind, already won.

[isired]

Originally Posted by Warfish

10% of the population would steal anything not bolted down and lie to your face while doing it, but I'm supposed to expect something as passion-inducing as voting is the only aspect of life where 10% of society won't cheat or lie for what they want? We have 20 MILLION+ illegal immigrants living their life breaking the Law every day simply being here, and we're supposed to believe these folks draw the line at illegal voting, especially voting for someone who might make their other illegallity legal?

Again, I can't have a serious conversation on this issue with someone who thinks the act of checking a photo ID is too much a burden, is racist and is too much cost to bear.

Agree to disagree and be done with it, and be glad your side, the side that favors no meaningful verification of any kind, already won.

Inked finger? Anyone?

[CRICKETS]

So simple, so effective, no burden. Zero. If the goal is to obtain the most legal votes possible while suppressing the fewest, I think that's your first choice.

You expect me to believe that millions of illegals, who won't go to a school function for their kids or get a checking account or credit card in their name for fear of being found, will risk it at the polls? I just don't buy it.

I think politics is passion-inducing, but, unfortunately, not voting. Scarcely more than HALF of voting age people do it (for president, anyway). Compare that to something people are truly passionate about (watching sports? eating sweets? masturbation??) What are the percentages of participation there, do you imagine, among people of the age to do it?

On a related tangent (I find it related, anyway), I discovered a while ago, when my close friend married a DC area girl, that people in the area are skewed. They think that everyone is thinking and talking about national politics as much as they are. They lived here for a few years, and she couldn't believe how she heard about the mayor, even the public advocate, far, far more than the president or congress. And talk about business trumped the mayor by a wide margin, in her eyes. I found that interesting, so now, when I meet someone living here from the DC area, I take a quick poll, and their eyes light up - "Yes! It seemed so strange when I moved here!". Anyone else come across this?

[DDNYjets]

Originally Posted by isired

Inked finger? Anyone?

[CRICKETS]

So simple, so effective, no burden. Zero. If the goal is to obtain the most legal votes possible while suppressing the fewest, I think that's your first choice.

You expect me to believe that millions of illegals, who won't go to a school function for their kids or get a checking account or credit card in their name for fear of being found, will risk it at the polls? I just don't buy it.

Thats a good idea. Although I think more people might be against the finger printing. There is a negative connotation associated with "finger prints". I'm pretty sure many would be crying racism.

But I'd be OK with it. Might not be perfect, but I am for anything that might help fix our election process, not just voter fraud.

I think you made a interesting point with saying that it is no "burden". And I think that is part of the problem. What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"?

[sg3]

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Thats a good idea. Although I think more people might be against the finger printing. There is a negative connotation associated with "finger prints". I'm pretty sure many would be crying racism.

But I'd be OK with it. Might not be perfect, but I am for anything that might help fix our election process, not just voter fraud.

I think you made a interesting point with saying that it is no "burden". And I think that is part of the problem. What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"?

So I assume anything includes no limits on corporate union and superpac campaign contributions?

If so I'm with you 100%

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[DDNYjets]

Originally Posted by sg3

So I assume anything includes no limits on corporate union and superpac campaign contributions?

If so I'm with you 100%

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

Yes, I would want to fix that.

[isired]

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Thats a good idea. Although I think more people might be against the finger printing. There is a negative connotation associated with "finger prints". I'm pretty sure many would be crying racism.

But I'd be OK with it. Might not be perfect, but I am for anything that might help fix our election process, not just voter fraud.

I think you made a interesting point with saying that it is no "burden". And I think that is part of the problem. What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"?

I don't know, I see the indelible finger becoming a point of pride, "I voted!" in the real world, to go along with your Facebook status.

In terms of 'burden', I think citizens should be able to vote without obstacles, or at least with a minimum. I like the early voting, I like the mail voting, more choices is more better.

[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by piney

Lighten up Francis. I made a sarcastic comment. You want my true opinion. I don't believe you Internet tough guy. Not one bit.

Of course you don't. My facts don't jive with your lack of them. So why not just assume I'm making it up? As if I would have a good reason to

It will always be a very emotional issue for me. I can't tell you how disappointing it is to witness, and how frustrating it is to be helpless (and even painted as the bad guy) in attempting to correct it. Even one singular fraudulent vote cancels out another legitimate right of another. It's disgusting, but even more so are the lengths that some go to ensure it continues.

Again I encourage you to get a job at a polling place. Preferably in a district in which you know many of the people. I expect it will be an eye opener.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by isired

Inked finger? Anyone?

[CRICKETS]

Crickets, because I have no idea what you're on about. "Inked Fingers"? What, like Iraq? Inked why? For what purpose? And how does an inked finger check a voters elligibillity??

If the goal is to obtain the most legal votes possible while suppressing the fewest, I think that's your first choice.

The goal is to deny, 100%, any non-elligible voter.

And again, I think anyone who would describe an ID Check as "Voter supression" is either a raving drooling idiot, or simply wishes to protect illegal voters and illegal votes. And I've never thought you an idot Issi.

You expect me to believe that millions of illegals, who won't go to a school function for their kids or get a checking account or credit card in their name for fear of being found, will risk it at the polls? I just don't buy it.

Then you're unworthy of my time, frankly. That, or you're simply naive and uninformed a person on this issue as I've ever encountered. You might want to step outside once in a while, and look around. Might be suprised by what you see. Illegals don't skip school functions or checking accounts, because no one at either location is checking them or that status in the first place. And they DO line up for every public aid program they can get away with because again, no one is checking them for elligibillity.

Seriously, there are days when I feel like I've falen through into the Twilight Zone. ID Checks are Voter Supression, Illegal Aliens get In-State Tuition, De-Facto Socialism is widely embraced, personal liberty is spit upn by half the peope in the name of the "greater good", and people say without a hint of embarassment that a guy who paid 10 million in taxes "pays less" taxes than them when they paid nothing in tax at all. **** me, If only there were other options........

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by isired

I guarantee that I'm not. See how that works?

I'm add frustrated add anyone about the quality of candidates for Pres. (and many other major elections), but I think that 'fixing' voter fraud wouldn't change that, or the outcome of any of the national elections, and is more of a distraction than anything aimed at getting conservative voters out - just add voter suppression is used to get the libs out. which is fine, I guess. The true crime, IMO, is that so few people actually vote.

Last time we discussed this, I never did hear what the issue was with the inked finger, did I? Lower tech than RFID, to be sure, but super-effective.

Voter fraud is rampant in (D) controlled cities and states but let's go ahead and deflect and compare that to inked fingers of genuine, certified voters in a foreign land...if we ever had that here the left will compare it to the shame of Hester Prynne and Nazi star and triangle badges

[isired]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

Voter fraud is rampant in (D) controlled cities and states but let's go ahead and deflect and compare that to inked fingers of genuine, certified voters in a foreign land...if we ever had that here the left will compare it to the shame of Hester Prynne and Nazi star and triangle badges

Why would extra D votes matter in a D controlled city? The popular vote?

And what's the shame in voting?

[brady's a catcher]

Nope no voter fraud, nothing to see here, keep it moving...

http://current.com/community/9394311...g-commited.htm



Two volunteer poll workers at an Ohio voting station told Human Events that they observed van loads of Ohio residents born in Somalia — the state is home to the second-largest Somali population in the United States — being driven to the voting station and guided by Democratic interpreters on the voting process. No Republican interpreters were present, according to these volunteers.

While it’s not unusual for get-out-the-vote groups to help voters get to the polls, the volunteers who talked to Human Events observed a number of troubling and questionable activities.

A source, who wishes to remain anonymous, is a volunteer outside the Morse Road polling center. She has witnessed Somalis who cannot speak English come to the polling center. They are brought in groups, by van or bus. The Democrats hand them a slate card and say, “vote Brown all the way down.” Given that Sherrod Brown is the incumbent Democrat Senator in Ohio, one can assume that this is the reference.

Non-English speaking voters may use an interpreter. The interpreters are permitted by law to interpret for the individual voting; however, they are forbidden from influencing their vote in any way. Another source who also wishes to remain anonymous has seen Democrat interpreters show the non-English speaking Somalis how to vote the Democrat slate that they were handed outside. According to this second source, there are not any Republican Somali interpreters available.

The logical follow-up question is whether a non-English speaking person is an American citizen. Although Republican leadership in Ohio passed a voting reform law, it was repealed by the legislature itself after the Democrats threatened a referendum. According to the Ohio Secretary of State’s web site, someone wanting to vote early in Ohio must supply one of the following in writing on the absentee ballot form, whether voting early by mail or in person: an Ohio driver’s license number; the last four digits of the social security number; or a copy of a current and valid photo identification, military identification, or a current — within the last 12 months — utility bill, including cell phone bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the person’s name and address in addition to the voter registration acknowledgement.

[isired]

Originally Posted by brady's a catcher

The logical follow-up question is whether a non-English speaking person is an American citizen.

Anyone living in NYC has to LOL at that. I guess teh Urbans rely iz sprawlin.

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by isired

Why would extra D votes matter in a D controlled city? The popular vote?

And what's the shame in voting?

No shame in voting if you are a legal US Citizen and respect the rule of law, but it's a shame that I have to explain this, extra (D) votes matter not for as much for the localities that are and want (D) but for statewide contests and of course for Presidential elections

Voter fraud puts people like Al Franken in who don't belong in the Senate, 'nuff said

[MnJetFan]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

No shame in voting if you are a legal US Citizen and respect the rule of law, but it's a shame that I have to explain this, extra (D) votes matter not for as much for the localities that are and want (D) but for statewide contests and of course for Presidential elections

Voter fraud puts people like Al Franken in who don't belong in the Senate, 'nuff said

Ha you know about Al Frankenstein. Total jerk.

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by MnJetFan

Ha you know about Al Frankenstein. Total jerk.

I actually met him many years ago in person, he was a pretty nice guy, but that was when he was still on SNL and not so overtly politicized.

[JoeyStylez]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

No shame in voting if you are a legal US Citizen and respect the rule of law, but it's a shame that I have to explain this, extra (D) votes matter not for as much for the localities that are and want (D) but for statewide contests and of course for Presidential elections

Voter fraud puts people like Al Franken in who don't belong in the Senate, 'nuff said

The people of Minnesota voted him in there instead of Norm Coleman. So he absolutely belongs there, just like Jim Inhofe and Tom Coburn, whom I dislike as much as you dislike Franken.