Meet a few of the job destroyers and tax evaders

[Trades]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Amazing

The level of protection and excuses for what these people are doing is truly breathtaking here. It really is.

Many of the posters are the same people who are outraged by the manipulation of entitlements by some of the poor (certain media outlets will portray that it is most of the poor). Many of the posters in this thread are outraged by evil teachers and police officers and firemen who are the root cause for our current economic plight.

But only excuses and political talking points are given when presented with the information above. Out of all the enabling excuses my favorite is the following; "they did not break any laws". Yes, and who writes those laws? The bought and paid for politicians who are from both parties.


Socialism for the rich

Hard Capitalism for the rest.

People aren't outraged at the teachers, police, etc as much as they are at we are outraged that they enable the unions that are directly making deals with politicians that put our communities and states into horrible deals that are unsustainable.

As a libertarian, if it were a perfect world, I think subsidies should be abolished, tax loopholes removed via a flat or "fair" tax system and bailouts should be a thing of the past. I also think welfare and other handouts should be simplified, limited and be only for the truly needy. You will hear from the media that no one will get elected with this platform and sadly there are so many on the dole right now that it is probably true.

As it stands now Mitt Romney is at least talking about removing loopholes. Obama is just adding people to the ranks of the enabled.

As for your article most of it is just garbage and flat out wrong. It is Occupy tripe. Most if not all (I don't have time to refute your list) of the companies paid taxes and much more than any of you and your friends paid, combined. They also employed thousands of people who paid an inordinate amount of taxes, they make products that bring in sales taxes (or are sales taxes only allowed in discussions of how "undocumented" immigrants truly do pay taxes?), they make other markets for the parts that make their products, people to sell their products and people to fix their products, all of who generate more taxes. I am sure you know that though.

Trying to tax offshore profits is absurd as it will force the companies completely offshore. Protectionism might sound good but it NEVER works.

You want more money to come in to the government under the accusations of "fair" then simplify & reduce regulations, cut corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world, make this a place companies want to do business rather than one they have to do business.

[DDNYjets]

Morally I think it is wrong. But I am not going to accuse them of anything. They are playing by the rules. We need to change the rules.

Obama was in office for 4 years and DID NOT change the rules. He opted to focus on Obamacare when he had great political currency during his first years in office. That was HIS fault. His blunder.

Mitt wants to close loopholes. I know libs cry that they want specifics but the truth is the best way to go about this is by getting by-partisan opinions and going at it with a open mind. He should not put himself in a corner by saying that he is going to close one loophole and then have opposition from members of Congress who have special interests in mind.

One candidate has a history of working with others despite being outnumbered politically and the other candidate has a history of presiding over the most divided Congress I have seen in my lifetime.

I simply have more faith that Romney can get stuff done. Obama has a record now. it is plain and simple. He preached transparency and bipartisanship while running in 2008, his record has shown very little of both.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Amazing

The level of protection and excuses for what these people are doing is truly breathtaking here. It really is.

Many of the posters are the same people who are outraged by the manipulation of entitlements by some of the poor (certain media outlets will portray that it is most of the poor). Many of the posters in this thread are outraged by evil teachers and police officers and firemen who are the root cause for our current economic plight.

But only excuses and political talking points are given when presented with the information above. Out of all the enabling excuses my favorite is the following; "they did not break any laws". Yes, and who writes those laws? The bought and paid for politicians who are from both parties.


Socialism for the rich

Hard Capitalism for the rest.

The same people who believe in high corporate taxes are railing against corporate influence on the tax code. What is immoral is the concept of taxation without representation.

You want this both ways, you want to tax the crap out of corporations and prevent them from having any political influence.

Get off your high horse your position is as immoral as the tax evasion you are complaining about.

[Trades]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

The same people who believe in high corporate taxes are railing against corporate influence on the tax code. What is immoral is the concept of taxation without representation.

You want this both ways, you want to tax the crap out of corporations and prevent them from having any political influence.

Get off your high horse your position is as immoral as the tax evasion you are complaining about.

But it isn't tax evasion. This is where the "they did nothing illegal" defense comes in. You want to complain about Tax Evasion lets look at Warren Buffett as his company is actually battling the IRS while Obama holds him up as the poster boy for more taxation.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by Trades

But it isn't tax evasion. This is where the "they did nothing illegal" defense comes in. You want to complain about Tax Evasion lets look at Warren Buffett as his company is actually battling the IRS while Obama holds him up as the poster boy for more taxation.

How is Berkshire Hathaway challenging an IRS ruling or as you call it battling wrong? The IRS makes errors all the time. The have every right to challenge the IRS.

There is no hypocrisy on Buffett wanting his own taxes to go up and his duty to protect shareholders.

[intelligentjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

The same people who believe in high corporate taxes are railing against corporate influence on the tax code. What is immoral is the concept of taxation without representation.

You want this both ways, you want to tax the crap out of corporations and prevent them from having any political influence.

Get off your high horse your position is as immoral as the tax evasion you are complaining about.

no, I don't want it both ways. I don't want to tax the crap out of corporations. Fix the tax code in an intelligent way that does not punish the successful yet at the same time does not allow for the garbage that was documented in this article. I would agree in a nano-second for the public unions that I support to lose collective bargaining rights as long as corporations were not allowed to make a mockery of the system to their end.

Here is what I want; my government back.

I don't want a government that is bought and paid for by the special interests, which it absolutely is. I would like a system that is as close to a level playing field as possible. What we have now is the illusion of a democracy. We have traded a government the was heavily compromised by mob-controlled unions for one that is heavily compromised by billionaires.

[intelligentjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Trades

People aren't outraged at the teachers, police, etc as much as they are at we are outraged that they enable the unions that are directly making deals with politicians that put our communities and states into horrible deals that are unsustainable.

As a libertarian, if it were a perfect world, I think subsidies should be abolished, tax loopholes removed via a flat or "fair" tax system and bailouts should be a thing of the past. I also think welfare and other handouts should be simplified, limited and be only for the truly needy. You will hear from the media that no one will get elected with this platform and sadly there are so many on the dole right now that it is probably true.

As it stands now Mitt Romney is at least talking about removing loopholes. Obama is just adding people to the ranks of the enabled.

As for your article most of it is just garbage and flat out wrong. It is Occupy tripe. Most if not all (I don't have time to refute your list) of the companies paid taxes and much more than any of you and your friends paid, combined. They also employed thousands of people who paid an inordinate amount of taxes, they make products that bring in sales taxes (or are sales taxes only allowed in discussions of how "undocumented" immigrants truly do pay taxes?), they make other markets for the parts that make their products, people to sell their products and people to fix their products, all of who generate more taxes. I am sure you know that though.

Trying to tax offshore profits is absurd as it will force the companies completely offshore. Protectionism might sound good but it NEVER works.

You want more money to come in to the government under the accusations of "fair" then simplify & reduce regulations, cut corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world, make this a place companies want to do business rather than one they have to do business.

I generally agree with your post but the devil is in the details. One person's version of "fair" usually varies from another. We could trade good, but general, ideas back and forth (ex: offer incentives for companies to keep their businesses at home, remove tax loopholes etc) but when it comes to politicians politics always plays a part. Most of them do not have the stomach to do what is right when perception is as important as reality to them.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Amazing

The level of protection

Protection from what? And how are internet posters opinions a form of protection?

and excuses

To make excuses, one would need to feel there was something that needs excused.

I don't. No lawbreaking = no need for excuses.

The people who need to make excuses are the men and women who passed the tax laws. Not the individuals who follow that law.

But only excuses and political talking points are given when presented with the information above.

And what do YOU think should happen, specificly.

Don't dodge, give us your "10 Realistic, Plausible, Real World Steps to Correct the Problems I see in the OP", or frankly, stfu.

Yes, and who writes those laws? The bought and paid for politicians who are from both parties.

What party did you vote for last election?

Hard Capitalism for the rest.

Americans have no idea what "hard capitalism" would be like.

I wish they did, we as a people and Nation would be VASTLY better off with a little dose of "Social Darwinism". Evolution and survival of the fittest is good for the species.

[southparkcpa]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

I generally agree with your post but the devil is in the details. One person's version of "fair" usually various from another. We could trade good, but general, ideas back and forth (ex: offer incentives for companies to keep their businesses at home, remove tax loopholes etc) but when it comes to politicians politics always plays a part. Most of them do not have the stomach to do what is right when perception is as important as reality to them.

That will happen simultaneously with the amendment that public school teachers earn exactly what private school teachers earn.. You know...real economics, not those bought and paid for by unions and politicians. As FISH mentions....social Darwinism. But realistically...you don't want fairness. You would have to take a huge cut in pay and benefits.

[Trades]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

I generally agree with your post but the devil is in the details. One person's version of "fair" usually varies from another. We could trade good, but general, ideas back and forth (ex: offer incentives for companies to keep their businesses at home, remove tax loopholes etc) but when it comes to politicians politics always plays a part. Most of them do not have the stomach to do what is right when perception is as important as reality to them.

Incentives are a loophole. That is the problem. TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT. Every incentive and every government program has too many unintended consequences. Your post would lead us right back to where we are. We need basic laws, some regulations that are easily understandable, to protect property rights and normal social controls. That is it. Everything else is for a private interest trying to control others or hold on to their piece of the pie by inhibiting competition.

[MnJetFan]

Liberal is way to kind of a word for these scum. More like Socialist borderline Communist.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

no, I don't want it both ways. I don't want to tax the crap out of corporations. Fix the tax code in an intelligent way that does not punish the successful yet at the same time does not allow for the garbage that was documented in this article. I would agree in a nano-second for the public unions that I support to lose collective bargaining rights as long as corporations were not allowed to make a mockery of the system to their end.

Here is what I want; my government back.

I don't want a government that is bought and paid for by the special interests, which it absolutely is. I would like a system that is as close to a level playing field as possible. What we have now is the illusion of a democracy. We have traded a government the was heavily compromised by mob-controlled unions for one that is heavily compromised by billionaires.

Bernie Sanders is a Socialist who believes in taxing the crap out of Corporations. He is not for lower taxes on corporations any more then you are.

You support corporations paying the pensions of public employees but not having any say over their representation.

Public employees who belong to Unions quoting Bernie Sanders isn't credible.

My government back means a government that supports your interests over others. It ain't your government it was never intended to be your government. The government serves the interests of all of us.

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Amazing

The level of protection and excuses for what these people are doing is truly breathtaking here. It really is.

Many of the posters are the same people who are outraged by the manipulation of entitlements by some of the poor (certain media outlets will portray that it is most of the poor). Many of the posters in this thread are outraged by evil teachers and police officers and firemen who are the root cause for our current economic plight.

But only excuses and political talking points are given when presented with the information above. Out of all the enabling excuses my favorite is the following; "they did not break any laws". Yes, and who writes those laws? The bought and paid for politicians who are from both parties.


Socialism for the rich

Hard Capitalism for the rest.

The corporations buy influence. This influence shows up in the means of gmo labeling policies. It is difficult to imagine that we cannot even have labeling of gmo products without going to a vote.

The gmo chemical companies are fighting so hard that they ave outspent the people who just want labeling.

This gov't is bought and paid for. If the extremists here cannot see that (how could you miss this with these numbers produced here) we are in deeper sh1t than I thought.

The playing field is far from level. Affirmative action is in full effect here for the corporations. How about calling for Affirmative Action to end here too?

[Jungle Shift Jet]

i think Benedawgg Arnold is onto something here

although gmo labeling is like 1,000,000,000,000th on the list of national priorities, lets un-cross-breed fruits and vegetables so the world can starve and iceberg lettuce find a market price of $20 a head. down with seedless fruits! i only want my killer vegetables from the organically unwashed salmonella-laden hands of pickers, not Monsanto's shelves!

beware the agricultural-pharmaceutical complex!

[Jetdawgg]

Corporate Welfare. An Affirmative Action Program