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section314 · 11-20-2012, 08:18 AM

In one word....YES. I really don't think Smith is very good, but why change horses in mid-stream? Niners are having a good season and don't need the distractions. Now they have the benefit of having a back-up QB that proved he can play a bit in the NFl, and a possible trade chip in future( see Philly and GreenBay). Think bigger point coming out of game is ......Cutler, as goofy as he is, may be the most valuable player in NFL. Bears are LOST without him.

124 · 11-20-2012, 08:30 AM

Will he? I think so. Should he? I think so. You shouldn't lose your job due to injury and he should be given a chance to reclaim his job. However, if he comes back and struggles against the Saints, THEN it's time to make the switch to Kaepernick.

srobjets · 11-20-2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JaxSuzy

No, he won't replace Alex Smith this season. He was a rookie last year, learning behind a QB with a similar playing style. That's why he can step right into the offense and take over like he is today.

Let's see, if we had a #1 QB that could do that, it would be important to have a #2 QB that could slip into the same offense if #1 got hurt. That's one reason why Tebow couldn't be Peyton Manning's #2 QB - different offenses.

WOW!!!

The niners have 2 qb's that are way better than all 3 of ours. Nice work Tanny and Rex.

CanadaSteve · 11-20-2012, 08:51 AM

Oh to trade for Alex Smith.

CanadaSteve · 11-20-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 124

You shouldn't lose your job due to injury and he should be given a chance to reclaim his job.

If only Bellychuck understood that rule, we wouldn't have had to put up with Tom Brady all these years.

Jet Blast · 11-20-2012, 09:29 AM

One game is too small of a sampling to decide. That said, I bet they sit Alex Smith for one more week.

jetster · 11-20-2012, 09:57 AM

He's also playing behind one of the best Olines in the NFL
3, 1st round picks, a solid center, a Nasty running game. The running formations they threw at the Bears D was a thing of beauty.
The Bears D has been beating up on the sisters of the poor Olines this year & were overrated because of it.
49ers knocked them into reality.
Rex & Sparano could learn a lot from the 49ers regarding " ground & pound" football.
They should be taking notes like school children & draft players to emulate that style of an offence.
The Niners are what Rex would love to be & coach.

Snell41 · 11-20-2012, 10:13 AM

I think they should "rest" Smith one more week and see what Colin can do. I don't think Kaepernick is nearly as good as he looked last night to be honest, at least not yet, but I also don't think Alex Smith is all that great either. Kaepernick has a solid arm and is pretty accurate. He also did a great job going through his reads and understanding what the D was doing. But alot of backups also look great for one game...

PMarsico9 · 11-20-2012, 10:20 AM

Harbaugh was asked after the game during his press conference and he winked at the reporter and said he was going to go with the hot hand.

Harbaugh's a good coach. Smith will be benched because they have to win in spite of him and Kaepernick will and should remain the starter.

The rest of the league should take notice. If the Niners can pass and you can't stack the box, then they are the most complete and well-balanced team in the league. By a mile.

Their defense is awesome, their running game has both depth and explosion, they have a great offensive line, and they have talent 3 deep at WR, the best TE in the league, and a 2nd TE better than the majority of the league's starters.

Kaepernick has an absolute cannon. Pair him with Moss and you will see some serious explosions.

SlickBri481 · 11-20-2012, 12:03 PM

For this season, yes, unless he has a stretch of a couple bad games when he returns from injury. Next season looks less likely. The Niners have no need to rush Kaepernick, yes he makes their offense more dynamic, but the best chance they have of a guy managing a close playoff game is probably Smith right now. And they're still comfortable playing that way. A bad playoff performance would probably doom Smith's chances in 2013 that's for sure.

jetsman51 · 11-20-2012, 12:38 PM

Shocked this is even an issue. Smith completed like 19/21 passes with 3 tds like two weeks ago.

Harbaugh shouldn't have even made the comment.

124 · 11-20-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaSteve

If only Bellychuck understood that rule, we wouldn't have had to put up with Tom Brady all these years.

Kind of a different situation. I should have stated when the previous QB has won games. Smith is coming off a 13-3 season and a 6-2-1 record this season. Bledsoe was 5-11 followed by an 0-2 start.

PMarsico9 · 11-20-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 124

Kind of a different situation. I should have stated when the previous QB has won games. Smith is coming off a 13-3 season and a 6-2-1 record this season. Bledsoe was 5-11 followed by an 0-2 start.

Record's important, but are we going to completely ignore stats altogether?

You want to look at a guy who was expected to manage a game, then look at Schaub this year.

But when it came down to it, Kubiak unleashed him and Andre Johnson and said "win the game," when they needed to.

Houston is an example of having a good to elite level QB and playing balanced to protect him, but when threatened with a loss, they unleashed Schaub and despite two picks, he carried the offense with Andre Johnson.

Harbaugh is one of the most talented coaches in the league and he knows this. Which is why Kaepernick should remain in. He has the arm and the weapons surrounding him, as well as a top 3 O-line to ease his transition into the starting role and has upside. Smith has zero upside. His career year was last season and the Niners won games by limiting his impact on them. You can't win a title in this league like that.

Smith, Sanchez, and numerous others cannot do that. If your QB cannot do that, then you aren't a serious contender. Try to dispute that and I'll point back that every QB since 2002 that has won a Super Bowl has been able to do that.

SlickBri481 · 11-20-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PMarsico9

Record's important, but are we going to completely ignore stats altogether?

You want to look at a guy who was expected to manage a game, then look at Schaub this year.

But when it came down to it, Kubiak unleashed him and Andre Johnson and said "win the game," when they needed to.

Houston is an example of having a good to elite level QB and playing balanced to protect him, but when threatened with a loss, they unleashed Schaub and despite two picks, he carried the offense with Andre Johnson.

Harbaugh is one of the most talented coaches in the league and he knows this. Which is why Kaepernick should remain in. He has the arm and the weapons surrounding him, as well as a top 3 O-line to ease his transition into the starting role and has upside. Smith has zero upside. His career year was last season and the Niners won games by limiting his impact on them. You can't win a title in this league like that.

Smith, Sanchez, and numerous others cannot do that. If your QB cannot do that, then you aren't a serious contender. Try to dispute that and I'll point back that every QB since 2002 that has won a Super Bowl has been able to do that.

It is you who is ignoring stats. Niners won their only playoff game in the past decade on the strength of Smith's arm and legs. He had to bring them back twice in the 4th quarter against the Saints last year, once with a long TD run, and once with a TD strike to Davis with under 30 seconds left. Saying the guy has zero upside when he did that in the playoffs last year and has 104 passer rating this season (3rd in NFL) is not a fair statement. Comparing his recent level of play to that of Sanchez is an extremely unfair statement.

Harbaugh will go back to him, he hasn't done anything to lose his starting job. Kaepernick is a bonus for the Niners right now. They have two competent QBs, we have zero. That is our sad reality.

ASG0531 · 11-20-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PMarsico9

Harbaugh was asked after the game during his press conference and he winked at the reporter and said he was going to go with the hot hand.

Harbaugh's a good coach. Smith will be benched because they have to win in spite of him and Kaepernick will and should remain the starter.

The rest of the league should take notice. If the Niners can pass and you can't stack the box, then they are the most complete and well-balanced team in the league. By a mile.

Their defense is awesome, their running game has both depth and explosion, they have a great offensive line, and they have talent 3 deep at WR, the best TE in the league, and a 2nd TE better than the majority of the league's starters.

Kaepernick has an absolute cannon. Pair him with Moss and you will see some serious explosions.

Hate to derail, but Gronk is better than Vernon Davis by just about every objective measure you can come up with. He's top-3, though.

TheMikeIsHot · 11-20-2012, 05:34 PM

Kaepernick had one of the best first starts in NFL history, at least as far as I can remember.

He was lights out and made all sorts of throws -- accurate and decisive. He is a much better thrower than I thought. Combine the big arm with his legs... wow. They really have something there.

Smith is a decent player but he's limited and is who he is at this point in his career; Harbaugh knows exactly what he will get out of Smith, and Jim knows that it isn't good enough.

I think he will go with the high-upside guy and see where that takes them this year and perhaps beyond.

Did you guys see the post game interview with Vernon Davis? He was like a 265lb. boy who just got EXACTLY what he wanted from Santa.

Not that my opinion really matters, but I'd go with Kaepernick and never look back.

SlickBri481 · 11-20-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot

Kaepernick had one of the best first starts in NFL history, at least as far as I can remember.

He was lights out and made all sorts of throws -- accurate and decisive. He is a much better thrower than I thought. Combine the big arm with his legs... wow. They really have something there.

Smith is a decent player but he's limited and is who he is at this point in his career; Harbaugh knows exactly what he will get out of Smith, and Jim knows that it isn't good enough.

I think he will go with the high-upside guy and see where that takes them this year and perhaps beyond.

Did you guys see the post game interview with Vernon Davis? He was like a 265lb. boy who just got EXACTLY what he wanted from Santa.

Not that my opinion really matters, but I'd go with Kaepernick and never look back.

You can't make rash decisions off one game. Smith is having a good year and has proven he will take care of the ball and manage a game. Kaepernick has a very high upside and will be their QB of the future. But he is still a bit of an unknown for right now. Basically, if Kyle Williams hangs onto the punt returns last year, Niners make the SB and very well might have won it. Smith was good enough then. This year's Niners team may even be better. He hasn't done anything to lose the job and should be given back the job. If he struggles, you know you have a bigtime talent behind him that can come in. Plus they can still run packages for Kaepernick like they've done all year. I think Harbaugh will ultimately play it like that.

TheMikeIsHot · 11-20-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickBri481

You can't make rash decisions off one game. Smith is having a good year and has proven he will take care of the ball and manage a game. Kaepernick has a very high upside and will be their QB of the future. But he is still a bit of an unknown for right now. Basically, if Kyle Williams hangs onto the punt returns last year, Niners make the SB and very well might have won it. Smith was good enough then. This year's Niners team may even be better. He hasn't done anything to lose the job and should be given back the job. If he struggles, you know you have a bigtime talent behind him that can come in. Plus they can still run packages for Kaepernick like they've done all year. I think Harbaugh will ultimately play it like that.

You might be right.

But this is about opinions. In my opinion, Kaepernick showed me something last night in one of the most impressive debuts ever.

Smith is a pretty good QB. He's not great.

Kaepernick can be special IMO and he would be my long-term solution.

Keep in mind Harbaugh drafted this kid in the 2nd round, a lot of people thought it was a reach at the time. He inherited Smith.

For the record, I'd take Smith in a heartbeat.

crasherino · 11-20-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickBri481

You can't make rash decisions off one game. Smith is having a good year and has proven he will take care of the ball and manage a game. Kaepernick has a very high upside and will be their QB of the future. But he is still a bit of an unknown for right now. Basically, if Kyle Williams hangs onto the punt returns last year, Niners make the SB and very well might have won it. Smith was good enough then. This year's Niners team may even be better. He hasn't done anything to lose the job and should be given back the job. If he struggles, you know you have a bigtime talent behind him that can come in. Plus they can still run packages for Kaepernick like they've done all year. I think Harbaugh will ultimately play it like that.

I agree with all of this.

If you go back to Smith and he struggles, you have a short leash for him and go to the rookie and the Colin K. era starts. If you yank Smith, start Colin and Colin struggles, you have no choice but to go back to a disgruntled vet who feels like he got the shaft.

ytfootballfan · 11-20-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot

Kaepernick had one of the best first starts in NFL history, at least as far as I can remember.

He was lights out and made all sorts of throws -- accurate and decisive. He is a much better thrower than I thought. Combine the big arm with his legs... wow. They really have something there.

Smith is a decent player but he's limited and is who he is at this point in his career; Harbaugh knows exactly what he will get out of Smith, and Jim knows that it isn't good enough.

I think he will go with the high-upside guy and see where that takes them this year and perhaps beyond.

Did you guys see the post game interview with Vernon Davis? He was like a 265lb. boy who just got EXACTLY what he wanted from Santa.

Not that my opinion really matters, but I'd go with Kaepernick and never look back.

Yeah it prompted me to make an account on the 49ers board and blast both him and Harbaugh.

Don't get me wrong, if they want to play Colin, and feel that he is even better, go for it.

But to make back handed statements like that undermining Smith to the media, after 1 game, when Smith has been absolutely brilliant for them just a week ago, not to mention has led them to back to back winning records....pretty classless.

They could have just kept it private, and if they wanted to promote Colin, do it. Smith doesn't deserve that.

11-20-2012, 08:18 AM	#21
section314 ABA hoops expert Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,015	In one word....YES. I really don't think Smith is very good, but why change horses in mid-stream? Niners are having a good season and don't need the distractions. Now they have the benefit of having a back-up QB that proved he can play a bit in the NFl, and a possible trade chip in future( see Philly and GreenBay). Think bigger point coming out of game is ......Cutler, as goofy as he is, may be the most valuable player in NFL. Bears are LOST without him. Last edited by section314; 11-20-2012 at 08:20 AM. Reason: wrong word

11-20-2012, 08:30 AM	#22
124 There's NO reason to delay the process. Start Geno Smith. All Pro Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,970	Will he? I think so. Should he? I think so. You shouldn't lose your job due to injury and he should be given a chance to reclaim his job. However, if he comes back and struggles against the Saints, THEN it's time to make the switch to Kaepernick.

11-20-2012, 08:51 AM	#24
CanadaSteve Liked the draft picks....meat and potatoes. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 6,514	Oh to trade for Alex Smith.

11-20-2012, 09:29 AM	#26
Jet Blast is full of status All League Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Forked River, NJ Posts: 4,480	One game is too small of a sampling to decide. That said, I bet they sit Alex Smith for one more week.

11-20-2012, 09:57 AM	#27
jetster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,924	He's also playing behind one of the best Olines in the NFL 3, 1st round picks, a solid center, a Nasty running game. The running formations they threw at the Bears D was a thing of beauty. The Bears D has been beating up on the sisters of the poor Olines this year & were overrated because of it. 49ers knocked them into reality. Rex & Sparano could learn a lot from the 49ers regarding " ground & pound" football. They should be taking notes like school children & draft players to emulate that style of an offence. The Niners are what Rex would love to be & coach.

11-20-2012, 10:13 AM	#28
Snell41 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,492	I think they should "rest" Smith one more week and see what Colin can do. I don't think Kaepernick is nearly as good as he looked last night to be honest, at least not yet, but I also don't think Alex Smith is all that great either. Kaepernick has a solid arm and is pretty accurate. He also did a great job going through his reads and understanding what the D was doing. But alot of backups also look great for one game...

11-20-2012, 10:20 AM	#29
PMarsico9 This pit has no bottom All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,853	Harbaugh was asked after the game during his press conference and he winked at the reporter and said he was going to go with the hot hand. Harbaugh's a good coach. Smith will be benched because they have to win in spite of him and Kaepernick will and should remain the starter. The rest of the league should take notice. If the Niners can pass and you can't stack the box, then they are the most complete and well-balanced team in the league. By a mile. Their defense is awesome, their running game has both depth and explosion, they have a great offensive line, and they have talent 3 deep at WR, the best TE in the league, and a 2nd TE better than the majority of the league's starters. Kaepernick has an absolute cannon. Pair him with Moss and you will see some serious explosions.

11-20-2012, 12:03 PM	#30
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	For this season, yes, unless he has a stretch of a couple bad games when he returns from injury. Next season looks less likely. The Niners have no need to rush Kaepernick, yes he makes their offense more dynamic, but the best chance they have of a guy managing a close playoff game is probably Smith right now. And they're still comfortable playing that way. A bad playoff performance would probably doom Smith's chances in 2013 that's for sure.

11-20-2012, 12:38 PM	#31
jetsman51 All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,948	Shocked this is even an issue. Smith completed like 19/21 passes with 3 tds like two weeks ago. Harbaugh shouldn't have even made the comment.

11-20-2012, 05:34 PM	#36
TheMikeIsHot All Pro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,043	Kaepernick had one of the best first starts in NFL history, at least as far as I can remember. He was lights out and made all sorts of throws -- accurate and decisive. He is a much better thrower than I thought. Combine the big arm with his legs... wow. They really have something there. Smith is a decent player but he's limited and is who he is at this point in his career; Harbaugh knows exactly what he will get out of Smith, and Jim knows that it isn't good enough. I think he will go with the high-upside guy and see where that takes them this year and perhaps beyond. Did you guys see the post game interview with Vernon Davis? He was like a 265lb. boy who just got EXACTLY what he wanted from Santa. Not that my opinion really matters, but I'd go with Kaepernick and never look back.